Lurker? Troll?

Hmm, is the idea of the OP to bring up the fact that BM itself has some unnecessary carbon pitfalls, or to compare the carbon footprint of BM with other vacations? I believe the two are separate discussions and the OP was aimed at talking about purely the carbon footprint of the BM event irregardless of its comparative carbon footprint with other events, especially considering its theme in '07 (Green Man) and its overall expansion of earth-friendly technologies and associations.theCryptofishist wrote:I'd say that most of the people who complain about the event's impact are somewhat trollish.
I have never got any of them to tell me, for instance, how much impact the event has in comparison to other vacation options. What is the carbon footprint of a flight to Hawai'i (and one home), staying in an air conditioned hotel, taking a helicoptor ride to see the volcanos, renting a car, eating at restaurants when the food is imported from whereever, usw?
It would be so much more interesting to talk about these things in an intelligent manner. Of course, her idea of a good vacation might be sitting in a hole, with no lighting, eating the flora growing from her belly button lint, in which case, she is right.
I think you're on to something here: Exodus should encourage people to pair-up drivers and have one do the exodus and the other take over for the drive to Reno. They could put up a sign 100 yards before the exit that says "Switch Drivers Now". That way the driver who may be frustrated over exodus is now done, and a fresh driver is taking over for the 60 MPH part.Dr. Pyro wrote:Admittedly, I come and go via RV, but this is what I've done the past couple of years and it seems to work great: Get one of the people who I've given a ride to who normally would never drive an RV and let them drive from Barbie Death Camp to Gerlach (Hiway 34 actually). I lie down and sleep like a baby for those two to four hours. When we get to the asphalt, I'm awoken, grab a Gatoraide, and I'm refreshed all of the way to Nixon for Indian Tacos. (NOTE: If you drive thru Nixon and don't get the Indian--or as they spell it NDN--Tacos, you are missing one of the more sublime pleasures of leaving Burning Man.) FWIW, that's what I would do.
Nothing like sitting in someone elses funk, and spreading it car to car like the valet on Seinfeld. Digging through my stuff, farting up my seats. No thanks!!!Isotopia wrote:I've always thought the idea of Exodus 'proctors' was a good idea. Basically, they randomly pick a car out and ask 1/2 of the passengers to get out and swap with another randomly picked car. Set a time limit of say 30 minutes and then each back to their own respective vehicle.
You forgot, Sticking boogers to the dashboardmdmf007 wrote:Nothing like sitting in someone elses funk, and spreading it car to car like the valet on Seinfeld. Digging through my stuff, farting up my seats. No thanks!!!Isotopia wrote:I've always thought the idea of Exodus 'proctors' was a good idea. Basically, they randomly pick a car out and ask 1/2 of the passengers to get out and swap with another randomly picked car. Set a time limit of say 30 minutes and then each back to their own respective vehicle.
Right, so shut the fuck up, and drink the fucking kool-aid, hippy.lilsrra wrote:Hmm, is the idea of the OP to bring up the fact that BM itself has some unnecessary carbon pitfalls, or to compare the carbon footprint of BM with other vacations? I believe the two are separate discussions and the OP was aimed at talking about purely the carbon footprint of the BM event irregardless of its comparative carbon footprint with other events, especially considering its theme in '07 (Green Man) and its overall expansion of earth-friendly technologies and associations.theCryptofishist wrote:I'd say that most of the people who complain about the event's impact are somewhat trollish.
I have never got any of them to tell me, for instance, how much impact the event has in comparison to other vacation options. What is the carbon footprint of a flight to Hawai'i (and one home), staying in an air conditioned hotel, taking a helicoptor ride to see the volcanos, renting a car, eating at restaurants when the food is imported from whereever, usw?
It would be so much more interesting to talk about these things in an intelligent manner. Of course, her idea of a good vacation might be sitting in a hole, with no lighting, eating the flora growing from her belly button lint, in which case, she is right.
That being said, why can we not bring up ideas to address the BM-specific shortfalls that may exist and have viable alternatives? My first year was 2008, and the group I went with all left on Tuesday early AM so we didn't experience Exodus problems at all. This year I'll be camping with the Blackrock Yearbook theme camp and am still deciding when I want to leave, so proposing new ideas to relieve some stress, gas consumption, and carbon emissions during Exodus seems fine to me.
And anyways, in my opinion a large portion of the BM experience is to participate. Participation is not only in enjoying the event itself, but also proposing new ideas to make the event better, safer, etc.
So...in my opinion, I think the idea of staging lines sounds like a good idea for all the reasons previously posted in this thread. My question to the naysayers are not to bash the people trying to come up with ideas, but rather to come up with their own ideas or at least reasons why the ideas being proposed are not viable solutions. Wouldn't that be a better case of "intelligent" discussion?
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I can't speel either but just sayin'trenton wrote:I will look into it, promise! I do drive my rig home (central valley CA) but our camp stores alot of the stuff in Fallon NV. Thus lighting the load that we, I have to bring to the Playa and I drive the smother and less milage road called hwy 88 ( its also prettier with several lakes to catch and eat wild trout ).Again saving fuel. Iam by no means a tree hugger, but I try to get my customers to use renewable products ( reclaimed hardwood floors that last a lifetime instead of a couple of years hence my lic plate NO2RUGS ) However my point is before someone slams somebody else for not beeing green.look for viable options. I agree with you, it's not easy . Just a thought to save some money and fuel so we can have more beer to drink and recycle cans, Ive read alot of your comments AntiM and I would like to meet you on the playa you seam like a cool person with that is not a couple of fries short of a happy meal! look me up at Spankys Wine Bar Thanks for your insight.
Amen.Igneouss wrote: Ranting about the lack of 'green-ness' is way off base.
You got passion!trenton wrote:DVDr
Sorry my education in your mind is less than what you expect. However what little I do have ( 10th grade ) has taught me one thing that with 50k people there you can't make everyone happy or like you .
Just saying
There is a a 5 story fire being burned at the center of the event. Theres an oil rig explosion blowing off how many thousands of gallons of propane and gasoline within seconds... And your talking about vehicle carbon emissions?chrispburn wrote:I am specifically reacting to 2007, Sunday afternoon/evening. The irony of the "Green Man" theme and the disorganized cluster fuck just completely blew me away and bummed me out. IT was the BM community at it's worst.