Permission to Burn

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Post by Phantom » Wed Jan 07, 2009 10:25 pm

So I've decided that going to Burning Man this year would be amazing, along with a few friends. However, I still live with my parents, and while I will be 17 and my friends 17 and 18, but my parents are still skeptical, so I need to find a way to convince them.

I figured my best bet would be to do an art project, and call it my culminating project. The culminating project is a graduation requirement for kids in washington, and all it really means is I've got to come up with some project involving 40 hours of work to somehow use something I've learned in high school to better the community. The freedom for this project is amazing, as kids have done things such as climbing Mt. Ranier, building longboard skateboards, fixing up old cars, and swimming long distances.

Now if swimming long distances and building skateboards better the community and utilize knowledge from high school, how could particitpating in burning man not be acceptable? I figure if I could get my plan to participate in Burning Man approved by the school, I'd be pretty much set to go.

But here's the state site explaining the culminating project

http://www.sbe.wa.gov/gradreq/culproj/default.htm

Thoughts? Ideas? Help? Thanks!


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Post by Elderberry » Wed Jan 07, 2009 10:30 pm

Well that's certainly a new and unique angle to work for the folks permission! LOL

Will you be 18 at the time of the burn? I believe you either need to be 18 or be with your guardian. (Certainly I don't think you'd be the first to get around that rule.)

Anyway, best of luck!!

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Post by MikeVDS » Wed Jan 07, 2009 10:45 pm

Yep. It's not clear if you know it, but they need to go with you, not just sign some slip.

Not that I'd condone it, but it may be easier to get a fake ID, depending on the parents of course.
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Post by Sham » Thu Jan 08, 2009 5:42 am

Yes, I am in the same position as Phantom, except I have to convince my wife to let me go. I tried the book report project and even have done chores around the house, but still she is not convinced that I should go. So, I buy my ticket and book the flight and just go anyway and listen to her bitch and moan for weeks afterwards. It's fun avoiding her and she knows the routine already.
Just buy the ticket and go and stop thinkning about it!

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Post by Dork » Thu Jan 08, 2009 6:03 am

I think if you can come up with a design for an ambitious art project and show that you're capable of finishing it the project judges and your parents will fall in line. I'd include some aspect they can feel good about, such as using recycled materials, making a statement about a cause, or somehow relating it to pride in where you come from. Seek help from people at your school (auto shop, wood shop, and art teachers can be especially helpful) and from friends.

It will not be in any way easy, but will be a great thing. You'll learn new skills and have something really cool to put on your resume.

Look through the funded art lists from various years to get an idea of what the proposals should look like and what sort of projects people have attempted in the past. Here's one year's examples:
http://www.burningman.com/whatisburning ... unded.html

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Re: Permission to Burn

Post by Bob » Thu Jan 08, 2009 8:21 am

Phantom wrote:...Now if swimming long distances and building skateboards better the community and utilize knowledge from high school, how could particitpating in burning man not be acceptable?...
There is no way you could prove that Burning Man does anyone more good than ill, but then teachers are so amazingly gullible you could write up the entire report now and just photoshop yourself into the event in the fall.

I agree with looking at art proposals, as well as Larry Harvey's speeches about it all.
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Post by Simon of the Playa » Thu Jan 08, 2009 8:38 am

it's all about the hotties.


Bring Two Nubile High school Hotties ala "American Beauty" with you and I"LL grade your final project personally and sign off on whatever the fuck you want.


see simon at root society.
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Post by Sail Man » Thu Jan 08, 2009 9:24 am

Greetings Phantom, swimming eh? How about an art project that has objects "swimming" in the wind? Nothing with chimes mind you, your liable to find those shoved up your nostrils :shock:

You could build a geometric climbing sculpture. Peeps could plant a flag from their home state atop it.

Or you could just take those 2 hotties your bringing for Simon and draw designs on their naked body with suntan lotion and then let them hit the sun. :P
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Post by mdmf007 » Thu Jan 08, 2009 10:29 am

Out together some arcane type of survey and survey a thousand folks at BM. ( or leave them in the center camp with a couple of return boxes and a plea to fill out)

There are pleny of places online to enter data for free as a demo for surveys or create a database.

Wouldnt cost more than the printing and the time to enter data. Drop a PM and ill give you some sites for database creation to compile data and a format for a finished survey. You could analyze a certain aspect of BM and make a statistics project out of it.

later

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Post by theCryptofishist » Thu Jan 08, 2009 10:33 am

Only not sex. We've all filled out so many of those surveys that we regularly lie on them. So you'd get no valid answers.

Do it about machinery or pet sitting or tent longevity or anything but sex.
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Post by mdmf007 » Thu Jan 08, 2009 10:49 am

theCryptofishist wrote:Only not sex. We've all filled out so many of those surveys that we regularly lie on them. So you'd get no valid answers.

Do it about machinery or pet sitting or tent longevity or anything but sex.
how about reasons for coming? pollitics? Anything interesting.
must be quantifiable though. hard as hell to interpret written answers into a survey.

Yes / No 1-10, A,B,C,D... answers only.

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Post by Ugly Dougly » Thu Jan 08, 2009 3:22 pm

How about interviewing paramedics about the worst drug nightmares they've seen on the playa?
That should endear the parents. ;)

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Post by klondike_bar » Thu Jan 08, 2009 3:27 pm

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*if yes, "why would you support child warfare?"
*if no, "do you even know his name? liar..."

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Post by Burp! » Thu Jan 08, 2009 4:52 pm

there is always this approach

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Post by theCryptofishist » Thu Jan 08, 2009 7:14 pm

Ugly Dougly wrote:How about interviewing paramedics about the worst drug nightmares they've seen on the playa?
Oh, don't ask me about mine. And you might not hear much due to hippa.
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Post by Box Burner » Thu Jan 08, 2009 7:50 pm

Oh hell everybody talks about sex and drugs. do your survey on something useful.

1. How many twinkies did you bring to /burning man
a - 2
b - 10 to 20
c - 30 or more

2 . did you
a - eat them all
b - gift them to other peeps
c - let them melt on your dashboard

3. do you feel that embalming fluid is necessary after a lifetime of eating twinkies
a - yes
b - no
c - where are the hotties
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Post by Medium » Fri Jan 16, 2009 5:31 am

Man, I wish I'd thought of something like that when I was in grad school for my MBA. I could have done a paper on living in a gifting economic model with no marketing or capitalism. I doubt the data would have been particularly useful however.

Capital investiment = significant
Return on invest = $0 (there is no value placed on happiness by the man)

And yet, I can't wait to get there!
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Post by gyre » Fri Jan 16, 2009 6:42 am

Your model is incorrect.
Look up universal reciprocity, a common form of commerce in hardship survival communities.
Profit is often defined rather differently.

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Post by OnceTheDustClears » Sun Jan 25, 2009 6:12 pm

Phantom:

Bring whoever is more fun...mom or dad.

Have them pack lots of water and some food.

Upon arrival point out three things that might interest him/her.

Help set up camp or hook them up with an interesting theme camp.

Leave immediately and plan to rendezvous back at camp on Monday.

Drop by occasionally to leave notes that you are still alive.

Easy.

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Post by klondike_bar » Sun Jan 25, 2009 7:15 pm

OnceTheDustClears wrote:Phantom:

Bring whoever is more fun...mom or dad.

Have them pack lots of water and some food.

Upon arrival point out three things that might interest him/her.

Help set up camp or hook them up with an interesting theme camp.

Leave immediately and plan to rendezvous back at camp on Monday.

Drop by occasionally to leave notes that you are still alive.

Easy.
cheers to that, assuming that you can keep finding food and paces to crash. Just make sure not to return when your dads in a drug-addles-sex-orgy back at the tent :P

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Post by LisaLuckyOne » Sun Jan 25, 2009 8:28 pm

It might behoove one to remember that one is communicating with a minor. That, and laughing at your own jokes is lame.

:lol:
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Post by klondike_bar » Mon Jan 26, 2009 8:45 am

pah, if you arnt laughing at your own joke, it probably wasnt even funny.

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Post by Ninth Path » Mon Jan 26, 2009 4:06 pm

Burp! wrote:there is always this approach

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Hahahahaha well done. This needs to get props.

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Post by betrdanevr » Mon Jan 26, 2009 5:48 pm

And by all means, if you let your folks know about this forum, you might wanna consider putting some of us on "ignore." :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post by fireseed » Mon Feb 09, 2009 1:30 am

Me and my spouse got in at 06 at the supple young age of 16 and 17, traveling from northern Canada. We would not be the adults we are today if not for the warm welcoming arms of all the burners who see the humanity past the age limit.
Just like all those...don't climb signs- token gesture disclaimers to keep away the anal ones always makes me smile.
What was it that they said there...safety third. :)
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Post by Simon of the Playa » Mon Feb 09, 2009 6:47 am

wait, fireseed, let me get this straight.

you're what, 18, 19, and you're married?


holy fucking shit. I thought i was the only dumb-ass to make that mistake, and that was 25 years ago.


man, o man....i wish you the best of luck buckeroo, you're gonna need it.


kids these days, they dont smoke, they're politically active, globally conscious, and monogamous.

what the fuck is wrong with this country?
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Post by DoriumLux » Thu Feb 12, 2009 4:32 pm

You can always do a study on the epic Beaver Eating contest. I'm sure that would be a selling point for the rents.

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Post by mdmf007 » Thu Feb 12, 2009 5:07 pm

DoriumLux wrote:You can always do a study on the epic Beaver Eating contest. I'm sure that would be a selling point for the rents.
Good luck - Theres no way a newbie is going to find the
Great Canadian Beaver Eating Contest.
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Post by DoriumLux » Thu Feb 12, 2009 10:41 pm

This year is my ten year mark. I've been going since I was 16. I figure if you can't figure out how to go, take care of yourself and get in and get away from your parents then you are still too young to go.

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Post by Simon of the Playa » Fri Feb 13, 2009 3:56 am

unaccompanied minors will be tasered and put into servitude.
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