synthetic weed

jailbird · Post by **jailbird** » Fri Jun 04, 2010 4:10 pm

I am a virgin to burnning man and i'll be driving in from GA.Recently I
have become a big fan of synthetic weed(such as spice,k2,pulse etc)since
I am subject to random drug testing.It is completely legal and doesnt show up on drug test.I plan on bringing at least an oz. with me.I know smoking it on the playa might attract some LEO's but i dont think they can actually do anything about it.I was just wondering if anyone has had any problems with trying to smoke this on the playa.Thanks guys hope to see you soon

Post by **AntiM** » Fri Jun 04, 2010 5:53 pm

You'll have to explain the technicalities to them while you're in handcuffs and they're testing the substance at the LEO compound. Plus, they could then toss your camp looking for anything else. Have fun.

Kinetik V · Post by **Kinetik V** » Fri Jun 04, 2010 7:33 pm

Yes, it's legal in NV. That being said if you light it up out there in public in front of a LEO odds are it will be confiscated and sent to the regional lab for analysis so they can figure out what the fuck it is. Then thanks to your bust the regional lab will report their findings up to the DEA so that K2 / Spice, etc will go from being a Drug / Chemical of Concern to being banned. They are monitoring the compound in K2 / Spice and the more reports, the more inclined they get to play the "in the interest of public safety card" and it will be BANNED.

I know this sounds like a bullshit scare tactic post but I'm as serious as I can possibly fucking be. If you enjoy your K2 / Spice...BE DISCREET so you don't fuck it up for everyone else.

Also to add a little more punch to this post the above scenario is precisely what happened in Colorado approximately 7 weeks ago to someone I know, and it also happened in Arizona.

Apollonaris Zeus · Post by **Apollonaris Zeus** » Fri Jun 04, 2010 11:35 pm

Hey then again go right up in front of an LEO and light up! He might think you spoofing him and will leave you alone. Maybe!

jailbird · Post by **jailbird** » Sat Jun 05, 2010 1:13 am

Believe me , the last thing i want is to be trying to explain myself to a bunch of LEO's.I will try to be as discreet as i possibly can.I just dont want to go back to camp every time I want to light up.I've watched video's of the burn and it is massive(as if you didn't know).During the burn, I'm thinking I could just kneel down and take a puff,since it smells nothing like pot, and no one would be the wiser.But then again what do I know, I've never actually been.If by some chance I do get piched, it's nice to know that I will have to be set free since I havn't broken any laws and if they want to search my camp they won't find anything illeagal because i can not partake in such things,since I'm subject to random drug testing.I may have some amanita shrooms but they are also completely legal.Thanks guys hope to see you soon

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Sat Jun 05, 2010 2:08 am

I think it's illegal in tennessee now.

Some people have nothing better to do.

dragonfly Jafe · Post by **dragonfly Jafe** » Sat Jun 05, 2010 6:03 am

jailbird wrote:I've watched video's of the burn and it is massive(as if you didn't know).During the burn, I'm thinking I could just kneel down and take a puff,since it smells nothing like pot, and no one would be the wiser...

LEO's (and their undercover sidekicks) are well aware, and looking/smelling for just such activity. Exhale downward.

You may eventually get off from any legal charges, after they handcuff you (face down in the Playa while the Man burns) and thoroughly search you (and any friends nearby that may have taken a puff). They may also demand to search your camp (if you refuse to tell them where it is, they may threaten to take you to Reno for "processing").

You may not have any illegal substances (as determined after months of testing), but anyone with you may not be so legal. If your camp gets searched, the drug dog may hit on a friend's tent or car.

Be discrete, and avoid even the impression of illegal drug activity in public.

However, if you are COMPLETELY legal, and want to have some fun, roll a tobacco cigarette in public, and pass it to some friends (like a J). This almost always gets a response (followed by an "aw crap!" by the LEO's when they realize they have been had)

greenthumb85 · Post by **greenthumb85** » Sat Jun 05, 2010 7:51 am

Be smart and choose your time and location wisely, you wouldn't walk down the street in your hometown smoking a joint would you? I guess that depends on where you live...

Smoking in the deep playa where no one is around will probably be ok, but when you are in the middle of a bunch of people or camps, it's better not to. Just treat it like any city or town, you don't want to attract the LEO's attention... Even if it is legal, the explanation will be a headache for you and them.

Some camps may be willing to let you relax and smoke in their camp, so just ask and you might make some new friends, but ask first!!!

Oh, and you will be much safer rolling some J's rather then having a pipe, it draws less attention.

Kinetik V · Post by **Kinetik V** » Sat Jun 05, 2010 10:23 am

gyre wrote:I think it's illegal in tennessee now.

Tennessee's ban starts as of July 1st.

Captain Goddammit · Post by **Captain Goddammit** » Sat Jun 05, 2010 12:46 pm

jailbird wrote:I know smoking it on the playa might attract some LEO's but i dont think they can actually do anything about it.

The problem is that Burning Man only happens once a year, you came a long way and spent a lot of time and money to be there, and they CAN arrest you and then release you after you've missed some or all of it.
You might have a hard (or impossible) time getting back in without buying another ticket, if still available, even if you get released soon enough to return.

Token · Post by **Token** » Sat Jun 05, 2010 1:39 pm

Does the stuff even get you high in any way or is it like drinking decaf coffee or a non-alcoholic beer?

Just curious.

jailbird · Post by **jailbird** » Sat Jun 05, 2010 5:03 pm

Token, it will get you stoned as hell.I can't tell the difference between synthetic and the real thing except for maybe the effect doesn't seem to last as long.[/quote]

Rice · Post by **Rice** » Sat Jun 05, 2010 5:28 pm

I sure hope you use a heap of discretion in what you do while you are in BRC!!! The LEO have night vision and will home in on people who appear to be doing drugs... (they even check out groups of people hanging out in the deep playa) There are certain motions that people who are smoking up use, and the LEO are looking for that suspicious behavior. It is probably best to be a tad paranoid and keep it to your tent (away from the road and any patrol areas).

I suspect it would suck to get a huge citation and criminal record due to a misunderstanding.

I'm just saying ... ...

jailbird · Post by **jailbird** » Sun Jun 06, 2010 4:26 pm

Hey, discretion is my middle name.I promise it's not going to be obvious.
As far as a huge citation and criminal record goes,that's not going to happen because I won't be breaking the law.Now, I may be detained until they figure out what I'm doing (which will totally suck) but it will not be illeagal and I will be very respectful and cooperate with them;which tends to help out a bit. I will not be a smartass or a dickhead towards them because that doesn't help at all but I don't want it to come down to that and that's why I'm going to try to keep it on the D/L. thanks guys hope to see you soon.

FaeTora · Post by **FaeTora** » Sun Jun 06, 2010 7:20 pm

I am totally not a drug person, so please excuse me. But what the heck is synthetic weed? Obviously its (I'm assuming) a substitute for pot but what is it actually?

jailbird · Post by **jailbird** » Sun Jun 06, 2010 7:37 pm

It's a blend of 12 or so different herbs sprayed with a chemical compound(jwh-018) It mimics the effects of marijuana without containing THC and therefore is legal.[/list]

FaeTora · Post by **FaeTora** » Sun Jun 06, 2010 7:52 pm

oh ok. Couldn't you just get the chemical and lace a cig with it?

bm_cricket · Post by **bm_cricket** » Sun Jun 06, 2010 8:07 pm

FaeTora wrote:oh ok. Couldn't you just get the chemical and lace a cig with it?

That's what I was thinking.. but the chemical says it's not for human consumption. Clearly the head shops know some special trick I don't.

Sorry, but I'll just stick to the stuff grown in real soil, cooked down in oil, and baked into cookies. Keep it simple.

FaeTora · Post by **FaeTora** » Sun Jun 06, 2010 8:12 pm

I'm just curious because I have never heard of it. Not that I have a lot of use for the info as I don't do drugs. Plus my luck it would probably be another thing I'm allergic to! But I do love to learn.

Kinetik V · Post by **Kinetik V** » Sun Jun 06, 2010 8:51 pm

Spice / K2 is Damiana that's been "treated" with JWH-018, anything else added to it is filler crap that's added only to make it "incense". And yes you can easily get JWH-018 and do it yourself but most people are too lazy to do that, besides it's easier to spend $$$ on little packets of pre-made stuff while someone else laughs all the way to the bank. That little label that says "not for human consumption" lets them skate from legal trouble too...

A word of advice, take it or leave it. Steer clear. This synthetic stuff has not been tested for long term health effects. The good old tried and true....well the volume of knowledge on it is 100x as vast as what we know about JWH-018. If you like being a guinea pig, light up that K2. But I know many who have smoked it who say yes, it's a similar but shorter high...but they sure as hell don't act the same on Spice.

Besides when California votes for legalization and the rest of this broke country realizes the decreased incarceration costs and boosted tax revenues that could come from a change in attitude...this synthetic stuff will go back to being an underground product...

jailbird · Post by **jailbird** » Mon Jun 07, 2010 12:50 am

I would love to smoke the real thing on a regular basis but I'm forced to smoke this synthetic crap because of work. It works ok but I have no idea of the long term effect. I hope our country's absurd laws against cannabis are changed soon so I can go back to the plant that I love. Until then I'm stuck with synthetics and amanita shrooms.Ehh.... what can I do? thanks guys

Captain Goddammit · Post by **Captain Goddammit** » Mon Jun 07, 2010 6:43 am

jailbird wrote:I'm forced to smoke this synthetic crap because of work. It works ok but I have no idea of the long term effect..
Ehh.... what can I do? thanks guys

Well gee... I can think of one possibility!

Are you employed as a synthetic weed lab test subject? I can't think of any other occupation that requires smoking it.

Post by **mdmf007** » Mon Jun 07, 2010 10:17 pm

jailbird wrote:It's a blend of 12 or so different herbs sprayed with a chemical compound(jwh-018) It mimics the effects of marijuana without containing THC and therefore is legal.[/list]

Its legal as long as the FDA or Surgeon General says it is. Also - LEO's can lock your ass up and hold you for three days easily - longer with justification like HOLIDAY weekends all without charging you.

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Mon Jun 07, 2010 10:27 pm

Important to remember, in this country you don't have to commit any crime to be prosecuted.

Federal law has almost all constitutional protections eliminated currently too.

Kinetik V · Post by **Kinetik V** » Mon Jun 07, 2010 11:15 pm

mdmf007 wrote: its legal as long as the FDA or Surgeon General says it is.

With all due respect, YOU DO NOT KNOW what you're talking about in regards to this specific subject. I apologize if my comment upsets you, but this is something I know a great deal about...and we'll leave it at that. If you have comments or questions, please feel free to shoot me a PM. Again, no disrespect is intended...

Edited to fix a broken quote.

Post by **mdmf007** » Wed Jun 09, 2010 11:27 am

Kinetic V wrote:
mdmf007 wrote: its legal as long as the FDA or Surgeon General says it is.
With all due respect, YOU DO NOT KNOW what you're talking about in regards to this specific subject. I apologize if my comment upsets you, but this is something I know a great deal about...and we'll leave it at that. If you have comments or questions, please feel free to shoot me a PM. Again, no disrespect is intended...

Edited to fix a broken quote.

perhaps im reading this wrong then:
http://www.justice.gov/dea/pubs/abuse/1-csa.htm

Not only can the FDA stop the sale of this right now, they do not even need to pass a new law - The DEA, HHS or FDA has the authority already in law to add ANY substance to the CSA list at their whim.

21 U.S.C. 811 gives authority to the HHS, DEA, and FDA at anytime THEY believe a substance is being abused. A drug or chemical need only have the "Potential for abuse" for these three agencies to do their magic too.

Section 21 U.S.C. 811 (c) lists more criteria that can be used to add a substance to the CSA

Section 201 also allows any "Interested person" from a drug company to your neighbor to petition any of the three agencies to add a drug to the CSA.

DEA's power to add a substance is only limited when the FDA says "A drug DOES NOT have a potential for abuse"

There si some basis for what I spew...
This is all straight from the DEA website.

Fire_Moose · Post by **Fire_Moose** » Wed Jun 09, 2010 11:37 am

You guys hear of meow meow? it's still legal here...

Token · Post by **Token** » Wed Jun 09, 2010 1:19 pm

007 is right. The "Analogs Act" of 1996 ( or was that 1994? ) gives the Feds a blank check to prosecute anything that can be abused.

Enjoy it while you can.

OTOH, why the fuck would you ruin you hard earned vacation...

Kinetik V · Post by **Kinetik V** » Wed Jun 09, 2010 8:45 pm

The quote specifically mentioned the FDA...and this is not your typical FDA concern.

Kinetik V · Post by **Kinetik V** » Wed Jun 09, 2010 8:57 pm

If there's anyone here that is or was involved or affiliated with the direct sale of this product, speak up. Otherwise, you don't know. It's that simple.

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