1durphul wrote:gyre wrote:San Francisco = irrelevant
I was just using San Francisco as a placeholder for all cities with aprox 1 million people.
To be honest, I'd rather be stabbed than shot. Given the choice between a criminal who wants my wallet who has a knife, or one with a gun, I'll take the one with the knife and hope he doesn't slash anything I need.
Not a great option, but a person holding a knife feels less secure and is more likely to use the weapon on you to control you.
Do you actually know anything about handguns?
They have limited power.
Their advantage is the ability to hold someone at a distance, not in the amount of violence incurred.
A skilled person with a knife can do more damage in less time, than most handguns will do.
The difference is a knife requires much more skill than a gun to use effectively and more skill to defend against.
Turns out criminals are quite happy to leave their guns home, (which they still have, remember), as long as the populace can no longer defend against those with sticks or knives.
The difference in gun crime, if any, is due to harsher penalties for using them, but primarily they find them dispensable, when no one has personal defense.
It is common here to see elderly people in wheelchairs with carry permits at ranges.
What do they substitute for a gun?
Another subject in the mix is the actual lack of a ban, in spite of strictness and deception.
Estimates are 50% compliance in canada, a bastion of obedience, but as it turns out, democracy too.
Compliance by criminals is estimated at zero.
Failure to report crime is another part of the discussion.
Did you see the recent report on ABC about fraudulent statistics relating to rape in the usa?
I know this pervades my city for all crime.
I am asking abc to pick up the story.
There is a lot of material about violence in UK.
You may want to study it.
And it is more complex than the numbers alone, even if you actually have those.
One number - 54,000 incidents of knife violence in London in one year
30% crimes of violence reported to the police = not reported as violence by the police
And you may want to take note of the trend in this country with regard to robbery victims.
The headline reads ROBBED, THEN SHOT