Burning Man and Occupy Wall Street

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Re: Burning Man and Occupy Wall Street

Postby Kinetik V » Wed Nov 16, 2011 12:10 am

The clearing changed nothing as far as the national effort for OWS goes.
But you are right the clearing did make it easier to deal with Winter conditions. I will give you that.
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Re: Burning Man and Occupy Wall Street

Postby moonrise » Wed Nov 16, 2011 12:25 am

Kinetic V wrote:Zuccotti Park got cleared last night.

IT CHANGED ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

We don't need a damn tent to make a difference. Nor do we have to freeze our asses off to do it either.

This ain't going to die, this is only the opening Act.

Might I suggest you read this...then we'll go from there.

http://www.fastcompany.com/1795293/occu ... g-time-ago



Thanks KV, I like the aricle


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Re: Burning Man and Occupy Wall Street

Postby Bob » Wed Nov 16, 2011 1:39 am

This isn't about Occupy, this is about "burners" being be taken for political whores. Do what you want in your spare time, just don't assume the "community" <drink> is behind you, or would enjoy the publicity.
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Re: Burning Man and Occupy Wall Street

Postby Ugly Dougly » Wed Nov 16, 2011 10:13 am

We're aware of your opinion, Bob.

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Re: Burning Man and Occupy Wall Street

Postby Elderberry » Wed Nov 16, 2011 11:47 am

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jkisha wrote:Their purpose has been stated and cited many times in the main thread. Do some leg work. Oh, and get your ass out to an occupation.


If you mean the same "virtually nothing" that is established in the other thread then you're quite right. But hey, I actually didn't expect any better of you to answer the question because you have no answer.


The more you post, the more appropriate your avatar.
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Re: Burning Man and Occupy Wall Street

Postby Bob » Wed Nov 16, 2011 12:19 pm

ObTopic, they keep saying food, health & sanitation are excellent, but my DPW experience tells me they probably could use fresh socks and thermal underwear. Doubt whether they care if they're union-made.
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Re: Burning Man and Occupy Wall Street

Postby unjonharley » Wed Nov 16, 2011 12:28 pm

OPDX and Portland State U are setting up for a big march right now..
The police will escort then.. BUT There is a huge storm front coming in from the coast.. They might have to try again another day.. I would not think less of them if they called it.

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Re: Burning Man and Occupy Wall Street

Postby BBadger » Wed Nov 16, 2011 12:56 pm

jkisha wrote:The more you post, the more appropriate your avatar.


This is a Burning Man not a straw man forum. But hey, while on the subject, I'd say the same about your avatar too.

Care to answer the question: have you visited the occupy protests?
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Re: Burning Man and Occupy Wall Street

Postby theCryptofishist » Wed Nov 16, 2011 1:04 pm

Is it even possible to get union made long johns?
And jk has been to Occupy Los Angeles, last week.
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Re: Burning Man and Occupy Wall Street

Postby unjonharley » Wed Nov 16, 2011 1:13 pm

theCryptofishist wrote:Is it even possible to get union made long johns?
And jk has been to Occupy Los Angeles, last week.


Good??? On the other side of the Missippi we called them union suits..

I was at OPDX last week..

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Re: Burning Man and Occupy Wall Street

Postby Elderberry » Wed Nov 16, 2011 1:21 pm

theCryptofishist wrote:Is it even possible to get union made long johns?
And jk has been to Occupy Los Angeles, last week.

Yup, got some bad pictures up on Facebook. I'm hoping to get down there a lot more too. (Another thing that the subway is good for, the station is two blocks away.)
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Re: Burning Man and Occupy Wall Street

Postby Bob » Wed Nov 16, 2011 1:39 pm

Feel free to share how you approach this as a "burner".
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Re: Burning Man and Occupy Wall Street

Postby Elderberry » Wed Nov 16, 2011 1:47 pm

Bob wrote:Feel free to share how you approach this as a "burner".

I consider myself a "burner" only because I go to Burning Man. It's not a religion or philosophy for me and one has not very much to do with the other.
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Re: Burning Man and Occupy Wall Street

Postby BBadger » Wed Nov 16, 2011 2:25 pm

jkisha wrote:
theCryptofishist wrote:Is it even possible to get union made long johns?
And jk has been to Occupy Los Angeles, last week.

Yup, got some bad pictures up on Facebook. I'm hoping to get down there a lot more too. (Another thing that the subway is good for, the station is two blocks away.)


Good. And what would you describe as the key difference between what you see on the ground, and what you see through media? Really, be specific.
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Re: Burning Man and Occupy Wall Street

Postby Bob » Wed Nov 16, 2011 2:55 pm

With all due respect, I am curious what *burnerliness* has to do with Occupy -- this being the "Politics & Philosophy" of Burning Man forum. "Open Discussion" might be more appropriate for general political blather.
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Re: Burning Man and Occupy Wall Street

Postby Elderberry » Wed Nov 16, 2011 3:13 pm

BBadger wrote:
jkisha wrote:
theCryptofishist wrote:Is it even possible to get union made long johns?
And jk has been to Occupy Los Angeles, last week.

Yup, got some bad pictures up on Facebook. I'm hoping to get down there a lot more too. (Another thing that the subway is good for, the station is two blocks away.)


Good. And what would you describe as the key difference between what you see on the ground, and what you see through media? Really, be specific.

I have already posted a pretty complete synopsis of my thoughts and feelings. It's in the main thread. If I were to summarize it I'd say this: 90% of what you hear about it in what you would call the "liberal" media is true and about 99% 90% (I had to change that because WSJ has had some pretty fair reporting on them) of what you hear about it in the "conservative" media is false. Check out my other post. Everything was fresh and I was being as honest as I could be.
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Re: Burning Man and Occupy Wall Street

Postby Sola Gangsta » Wed Nov 16, 2011 4:12 pm

Bob wrote:With all due respect, I am curious what *burnerliness* has to do with Occupy -- this being the "Politics & Philosophy" of Burning Man forum. "Open Discussion" might be more appropriate for general political blather.


Here's a clue:

http://occupyorburningman.com

Probably most have never been to burning man, but these culture traits are not exclusive. It also is endemic of the pacific northwest in general and to the Oregon Country Fair family in particular. Having traveled all over the country this is my observation.
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Re: Burning Man and Occupy Wall Street

Postby Elderberry » Wed Nov 16, 2011 4:49 pm

Sola Gangsta wrote:
Bob wrote:With all due respect, I am curious what *burnerliness* has to do with Occupy -- this being the "Politics & Philosophy" of Burning Man forum. "Open Discussion" might be more appropriate for general political blather.


Here's a clue:

http://occupyorburningman.com

Probably most have never been to burning man, but these culture traits are not exclusive. It also is endemic of the pacific northwest in general and to the Oregon Country Fair family in particular. Having traveled all over the country this is my observation.

LOL that site was funny!
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Re: Burning Man and Occupy Wall Street

Postby Ugly Dougly » Thu Nov 17, 2011 1:42 pm

Another damn dirty hippy, what the Hell does this guy know about Burning Man:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfWRJF1K4ec

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Re: Burning Man and Occupy Wall Street

Postby kitoconnell » Thu Nov 17, 2011 2:16 pm

Temperature check among those interested in Occupy:

If I started a mailing list/blog/twitter account, OccupyBurners, for coordinating efforts between Burners and the Occupation on a global level, would you be interested in joining and participating? Feel free to contact me via private message or email, kitoconnell@pobox.com.
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Re: Burning Man and Occupy Wall Street

Postby unjonharley » Thu Nov 17, 2011 2:21 pm

kitoconnell wrote:Temperature check among those interested in Occupy:

If I started a mailing list/blog/twitter account, OccupyBurners, for coordinating efforts between Burners and the Occupation on a global level, would you be interested in joining and participating? Feel free to contact me via private message or email, kitoconnell@pobox.com.


Take your shit back to the street...

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Re: Burning Man and Occupy Wall Street

Postby Ugly Dougly » Thu Nov 17, 2011 2:35 pm

kitoconnell wrote:Temperature check among those interested in Occupy...

What's that, Kit?

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Re: Burning Man and Occupy Wall Street

Postby theCryptofishist » Thu Nov 17, 2011 3:32 pm

Ugly Dougly wrote:
kitoconnell wrote:Temperature check among those interested in Occupy...

What's that, Kit?

It's kinda like that thing you always try to get people to play, you know, nurse and enema, only you only get a foriegn object, no fluid.

If you do get fluid, I suggest updating your will.
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Re: Burning Man and Occupy Wall Street

Postby BBadger » Thu Nov 17, 2011 4:19 pm

If this Occubation is still around by then, please schedule your rallies during Burning Man (but not AT Burning Man), hopefully still at Wall Street.
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Re: Burning Man and Occupy Wall Street

Postby dannno » Sat Nov 19, 2011 11:26 am

jkisha wrote:Their purpose has been stated and cited many times in the main thread. Do some leg work. Oh, and get your ass out to an occupation. Otherwise, you know not of what you speak, and I'm out of this thread. KeneticV is right.



I've been to zuccotti a dozen times before and after the eviction, and I will be back again, so I think I fit your definition of someone who is allowed to have an opinion. That said pretty much every skeptical or anti ows comment in this thread is true.the people protesting are nowhere near the 99%, which in any case is a fictional construct straight out of alinsky's rules for radicals. They are mostly shifltess drug addicts, leftover hippies and indoctrinated college kids who never thought about repaying their student loans. And don't forget the large number of homeless people. Most have no point, and those that do are not representative of a large minority, let alone the majority. Bloomberg did the movement a favor by shutting it down.

I can't tell you how happy I am to see so that so many burners have their eyes appropriately open to this cesspool of human waste that is attempting to force its vision (or lack thereof) on the country. I just assumed that burners in general would be overwhelmingly sympathetic to ows. Politics is not something I talk about in black rock city so how would I know otherwise?

nothing has pissed me off more in recent weeks than people who know nothing more about burning man than the pictures they've seen on the internet telling me how much ows looks like it.

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Re: Burning Man and Occupy Wall Street

Postby dannno » Sat Nov 19, 2011 11:42 am

moonrise wrote:Wage slavery isn't working anymore. How would things work if everyone were white collar?


wage slavery. Otherwise known as earning a paycheck. I wonder how many people in less fortunate countries would give their right tit to be a wage slave.

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Re: Burning Man and Occupy Wall Street

Postby BBadger » Mon Nov 21, 2011 8:24 am

dannno wrote:I can't tell you how happy I am to see so that so many burners have their eyes appropriately open to this cesspool of human waste that is attempting to force its vision (or lack thereof) on the country. I just assumed that burners in general would be overwhelmingly sympathetic to ows. Politics is not something I talk about in black rock city so how would I know otherwise?

nothing has pissed me off more in recent weeks than people who know nothing more about burning man than the pictures they've seen on the internet telling me how much ows looks like it.


That's actually something that impressed me a lot about BM as well: it's not just a bunch of dirty hippies hanging out for drum circle. Lots of accomplished folks, people who create things, not just talk about them, people who know that great things come from effort and purpose. I also liked how there really wasn't any "agenda" to the whole event. No environmentalist indoctrination (other than keeping the playa clean), no hippies yakking about what the MAN is doing, no religious/anti-religious complaining or proselytizing, etc. All that shit from Defaultia left behind. I just hope it remains that way.
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Re: Burning Man and Occupy Wall Street

Postby Bob » Mon Nov 21, 2011 8:43 am

Sadly, the org has always been The Man for some attendees, either for cooperating with the agencies or otherwise representing authority.

OTOH, I'm very much looking forward to dudes dressed like UC cops misting people with red colored water.
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Re: Burning Man and Occupy Wall Street

Postby oneeyeddick » Mon Nov 21, 2011 9:04 am

that would be a riot.
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Re: Burning Man and Occupy Wall Street

Postby Ugly Dougly » Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:42 am

I didn't see any hippies at Occupy San Jose. Lots of retired people and laid-off techies.


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