Does the 'communityness' not start til you're on the Playa?

sissylala29 · Post by **sissylala29** » Wed Sep 22, 2004 9:50 am

Ok, first of all, YES, communityness is a word.....ok, maybe not officially, but once something has been said, it's a word, even if not found in a dictionary right?
Anyway, to my point....
My friends and I went out this year in two vehicles, they were about a 1/2 hr/45 minutes ahead of me, pulling a popup camper.
Due to the black cloud that follows these particular friends around, they got a flat on the popup. (Don't you hate it when your popup gets a flat????)
They just knew that a fellow burner would pull over and offer help, sure that they'd be on their way again before I caught up. (They were sans a jack.....her husband had taken her jack out of her truck but failed to mention it to her, so it was not an ignorant planning error, it was one of those idiotic husband errors)
While some where kind enough to offer words of advice, ("Get that fucking thing off the road" and "Get the fuck farther off the road", "You're going to get someone fucking killed" and "Could you be any closer to the fucking road?"), only one stopped to help. Once he found out they didn't have a jack, he offered to see if he had one, walked back to his car, got in and drove away without looking back (or for a jack).
They'd pulled over as far as possible in the space they had....would it have been better if they'd tried to limp to a better spot, not knowing how far they'd have to go, @ 5 MPH, backing traffic up for MILES on end?? The tire was shreaded, how safe would that have been?
Last year was my first burn and I was stunned and impressed by the giving, open feeling of community that resonates thru the Playa. This situation put a bit of a damper on that feeling and brought up the question of how burners live their lives away from the Playa.....isn't it something we should live daily, to the best of our abilities? Or do I have it all wrong and it really is just a drug infested orgy in the desert?
Ok, I am done, stepping down from my soapbox.
Oh, and yes, we did get it fixed w/ my jack and the help of a NHP officer who parked behind us, all lights flashing, in an attempt to slow down those who didn't slow down to offer their very usefull advice..

Icepack · Post by **Icepack** » Wed Sep 22, 2004 4:06 pm

I can't speak for anyone else. I saw some burners pulled over between Wadsworth and the gates of Burning Man and did not stop to help anyone. I personally travel with a AAA card in my wallet for those types of emergencies. Seriously though, my vehicle was overloaded and the passengers had been cooped up for a 3 day ride and we had a deadline to meet our theme camp on a certain day. My excuses, sorry.
However, we did help other burners in Winnemucca when we could and we do occasionally donate things to our local "Freecycle" group members. So, for me, it just depends on the logistics of the given situation. Sometimes we can help, sometimes we can't. I sure as heck didn't yell at anyone telling them to "get the fuck off the road". I am sorry that happened to your friends.

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Wed Sep 22, 2004 4:20 pm

I spent more time driving that damn road than at BM it seems this year. I never stopped for anyone because a) I don't have car repair skills and b) I was dealing with my own emergency--my husband's evacuation from the playa to Reno. Believe me, the 2+ hour drive was not to be lengthend when I didn't know what was going to be on the other end. On a similer thread before the event I noted that you shouldn't stop unless there's a reasonable expectation that you can help and I myself brought up the old "Don't become another casualty" advise that should be the basis of all rescue. (Soft shoulder on the roads.) But I am disheartened by the rudeness and gee, it's beyond cell phone range, couldn't we help out a little? Just by checking in on the nature of the problem? Oh well.

erniegoddamncaldwell · Post by **erniegoddamncaldwell** » Wed Sep 22, 2004 9:02 pm

Wednesday night on our way to our first burn we saw a car stuck in the dust between Hw 50 and Gerlach. Not really knowing what to gift at the event we figured we could put our 4x4 to work and help them out; you know, start out by doing what we could. they were stuck good, and another truck, thinking we'd got stuck too, stopped behind us. Long story short we were all out within minutes and on our way with smiles. So yeah, I'd have to say from my experience the "community" thrives outside the gates. Sorry it wasn't so for your friend.

Papa Bear · Post by **Papa Bear** » Wed Sep 22, 2004 11:06 pm

Our camp had a couple of newbies that shared a van with another fellow (the owner, not from our camp) all the way from the east coast. They arrived on the playa late one night early in the week, only to have the van overheat between the highway and the gate.

Many cars passed them by as they were stranded out there. Finally, a virgin burner from Oregon stopped her jeep, attached a rope, and towed them and their van into the city and to our camp.

Her good deed was rewarded in turn. She was unable to find the group she was supposed to be camping with so late at night, so I helped her set her little tent up in the lee of some of our larger structures, where she'd have some protection from the weather. She wound up staying there until Sunday, when she finally found her friends (and, bless her heart, demooped thoroughly before she left).

geekster · Post by **geekster** » Wed Sep 22, 2004 11:21 pm

I think I would have tried some humor. Find some cardboard and a sharpie and make a sign:

I M A Dumbass
FLAT TIRE
FORGOT JACK
NEED HELP

I don't think it would take too long for someone to give a hand. In this case you are telling them EXACTLY what the problem is and EXACTLY what you need. Someone can then decide if they have what you need BEFORE they stop. That clears the "don't stop unless I can help" problem.

sissylala29 · Post by **sissylala29** » Thu Sep 23, 2004 3:14 am

geekster wrote:I think I would have tried some humor. Find some cardboard and a sharpie and make a sign:

I M A Dumbass
FLAT TIRE
FORGOT JACK
NEED HELP

I don't think it would take too long for someone to give a hand. In this case you are telling them EXACTLY what the problem is and EXACTLY what you need. Someone can then decide if they have what you need BEFORE they stop. That clears the "don't stop unless I can help" problem.

The friends w/ the flat had pretty much had it w/ the 'friendly advice' that had been offered. Not to mention that she was furious @ her husband. So they had lost all humor before I got there.
Hearing about what had gone on, then seeing it for myself did my sense of humor in too.
As far as the sign, I really don't think it would have helped. If someone doesn't stop just because they think it's the right thing to do, regardless of if they know the situation or not, then a sign won't make a difference. Well, unless it said something like, "Won't work for food, but will blow for help"
About your suggested sign,
#1 What makes anyone involved a dumbass? (I'm a little sensative, can ya tell?)
#2 The tire was THRASHED, almost down to the rim......if anyone needed to read a sign to figure it out, that would make THEM the dumbass.
#3 She didn't forget the jack. Her mistake was making the assumption that her husband was not an inconsiderate idiot that would let her make an 8 hour drive, pulling a camper w/out a jack. Yes, she could have checked on it before she left home, but who does that??
#4 I think it was pretty obvious that we needed help...just as obvious as the fact that no one really gave a rats ass.
I'm really sounding like kind of a bitch aren't I? Or a whiny ass, not sure which. I don't mean to, I was just dissapointed. Still had a great time tho and have already started planning for next year.
And yes, when I leave, I will check to make sure my jack is there, just in case!

Bob · Post by **Bob** » Thu Sep 23, 2004 7:34 am

sissylala29 wrote:...would it have been better if they'd tried to limp to a better spot...

Correct answer, but around here you'd be surprised at how many people try to change a tire mid-span on the Golden Gate Bridge.

sissylala29 wrote:...we did get it fixed w/ my jack and the help of a NHP officer who parked behind us, all lights flashing, in an attempt to slow down those who didn't slow down to offer their very usefull advice...

It's not clear from your post -- whether the extra cops patrolling the roads during the event fit your version of "community" -- or whether the folks passing you might actually have been up there hunting for muleys, not Burning Man.

geekster · Post by **geekster** » Thu Sep 23, 2004 9:02 am

sissylala29 wrote: As far as the sign, I really don't think it would have helped. If someone doesn't stop just because they think it's the right thing to do, regardless of if they know the situation or not, then a sign won't make a difference. Well, unless it said something like, "Won't work for food, but will blow for help"
About your suggested sign,
#1 What makes anyone involved a dumbass? (I'm a little sensative, can ya tell?)
#2 The tire was THRASHED, almost down to the rim......if anyone needed to read a sign to figure it out, that would make THEM the dumbass.
#3 She didn't forget the jack. Her mistake was making the assumption that her husband was not an inconsiderate idiot that would let her make an 8 hour drive, pulling a camper w/out a jack. Yes, she could have checked on it before she left home, but who does that??
#4 I think it was pretty obvious that we needed help...just as obvious as the fact that no one really gave a rats ass.
I'm really sounding like kind of a bitch aren't I? Or a whiny ass, not sure which. I don't mean to, I was just dissapointed. Still had a great time tho and have already started planning for next year.
And yes, when I leave, I will check to make sure my jack is there, just in case!

I will try to answer your questions as best as I can. As someone else mentioned, just seeing someone on the side of the road might not be enough. A lot depends on the situation. Do I have the time to look the vehicle over enough to actually see that tire? The kids might be squabbling, I might be really tired and just focusing on the road ahead, there could be a million reasons for not doing a close inspection of that vehicle off the road. Knowing ME though, I would at least look to see if people were crying or on fire or something just to make sure it wasnt an immediate life threatening situation. I suppose at the very least I would report the trouble at my first opportunity ahead.

1. Nothing makes anyone a dumbass. I would have laughed at MYSELF and put that on the sign just to get a chuckle out of someone. That MIGHT be enough to put them in the mood to stop and interact with me. Just a little honey for the bee trap.

2. So the tire was thrashed. Was there a spare? Are we really talking about not only needing a jack but also a trip to civilization and back for a new tire?

3. I KNOW she didn't forget the jack. Okay, change the sign to NO JACK. It is just there to justify the dumbass part. Kind of saying "okay, I learned my lesson, you can stop and help now". And before you go on too much about hubby, ANYONE that takes a vehicle on a trib through large expanses of uninhabited territory owes it to themself and their passangers to make sure they have some basics before they set out. This would include A FUCKING JACK, spare tire, water, jumper cables, and some way of making shade in a hurry if they get stranded that can be reached without unpacking the entire vehicle to get to it. He took the jack out ... fine ... SHE didn't check to make sure she had one before she left. It is always the driver's fault.

4. Really? How do I know you didn't pull over to take a dump? How do I know the brake or wheel bearing didn't seize up and shred that tire? There could be a bazillion reasons you could be on the side of the road and a bazillion more for me not doing an inspection as I drive by. I admit, if you were trying to flag me down, I would have probably slowed enough for there to be some communications.

As for sounding like a bitch ... well, it sounds like it was a very frustrating experiance. Different people handle frustration in different ways. I just wonder why you need to focus blame on the community. Do they OWE you a stop? In a situation like that you should operate on the assumption that nobody is going to and go from there. In the case of the sign, it might have helped to add a line ... HAVE SPARE, NEED JACK. That is a big relief. That tells people, okay, we just need to jack this thing up, swap the tires and off you go (if the spare has any air in it).

Telling people EXACTLY what you need is the first step to getting help quick.

PetsUntilEaten · Post by **PetsUntilEaten** » Thu Sep 23, 2004 9:50 am

HMMmmmm.

Very late (1am) Monday night on the way out I was sleeping when my campmate & driver pulled over into the fluffy shoulder sand cuz he was suddenly nausous. (Needless to say I wish he had woken me up earlier.)

By the time most people could see us it would have been dangerous to pull over. I'm glad no one tried as they would have gotten suck & good.
After 30 minutes we were able to rock & dig our way out.

Afterwards we saw other vehicles pulled off to the side on better pieces of road. Honestly I was very confused as to safely trying to stop or check on them or do anything at that point.

A clear sign would definitely help & a sign farther up the road from the car would have ensured we would be able to stop in time.

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Thu Sep 23, 2004 10:14 am

Wondering if in these situations--narrow winding road, may not see someone on the side until almost on top of them, adreneline rush from sudden obstacle--if flares or one of those highway flashers 50' down might have made a difference. My husband frequently stops on the highways and always lays out a flare pattern first thing. (well, 2nd thing after he checks on the nature of the situation.) It makes an immediate difference in the traffic, if they have a few hundred feet in which to make a decision.

(Forget changing your tire in the GG Bridge. Last week on the Bay Bridge I got to see a rear ender caused by the stopped line of cars from a tri-car fender-bender with the bozos changeing info. What do you think Treasure Island's for?)

Tiahaar · Post by **Tiahaar** » Thu Sep 23, 2004 11:35 am

Remember Burners can be all about Tough Love...as has been pointed out elsewhere this isn't a Rainbow gathering...you're expected to take care of yourself, THINK, readily admit when you've been a jackass, and after doing what you can in a bind THEN others will help if they safely can.

MY pet peeve is the lack of TURNOUTS on the hill tops going towards the event from I80. NEVADA, GET YOUR BUTT OUT THERE WITH SOME GRAVEL AND PUT IN A FEW PLEASE. (actually it might be tribal land in places). I have a big slow rig that I dearly like to pull over where possible to let people behind go by (but I'm fast going downhill). This year I had a big lineup piling up behind me and FINALLY came upon a place to pull over and it was like a carrier landing...just enough space in a flat spot to pull over and get stopped, had to back up to get the rig in a place where I could get back on the road. Another RV was parked in further on the beginings of a dirt road (many thanks for clearing the "landing area", you're a great dude!) and turned out he had blown one of his rear duals. He had the spare and the jack but the lug wrench didn't have the right size for the nuts. My sockets weren't big enough and my lug wrench was too big (hey but I've just bought a set clear to 2 1/2" so next time I'm ready) so all I could do was leave him some GOOP to patch the crack the tire put in his holding tank. He had friends coming back out from a theme camp, and later in the week he dropped by my camp to say he'd eventually made it in at midnight that night.

So long story short, check your tires and equipment, be prepared, be ready to publicly humiliate yourself if you've done something stupid, and heartily accept the help of other tough lovers as they will do all that they can to get you going.

I will shut-up now : )

Simply Joel · Post by **Simply Joel** » Thu Sep 23, 2004 1:02 pm

apparently one of our own died in a one car rollover 175 miles from BRC...

Paula wrote: Subject: In Memory of Stevie 1982-2004

Dear Friends,
I am the mother of Stevie . She LOVED the burn! After the 2004
season,(on Sept 18th), about 175 miles away, her truck overturned
and she was taken from this life.

Please take a few moments to share with me, your life with her.
Her 22nd birthday is next Thursday, I am devastated, she was my only
child.

My Connecticut friend has made a website where you may add
anything about her. http://ebay.ritech.net/stephanie/stevie.html
Right now, we have pictures, and we will add a guest book in a day
or two.

I have had the pleasure to meet some of you online, and many by
phone. Arrangements are to have donations in her name to Black Rock
Arts Foundation, she would have liked that.

Her funeral is Friday Sept 24th, many of you will attend, and I
thank you in advance, and forever.

She loved you all so very much, and emailed and called all the
time to tell how happy she was.

Please add to her page, and email is to me is appreciated and
appropriate.

http://ebay.ritech.net/stephanie/stevie.html

Thank you.
Paula [email protected]

so folks, invest a little time in your own existence and the existence of others by reading up on traffic safety... you also might review military convoy techniques 'cause it is your tax dollars sending all those convoys safely down the road and developing safety techniques.

http://www.nada.org/NADAGuides/Safe_Driving_Tips.htm

http://www.washoesheriff.com/pages/Safe ... safety.php

http://www.luhs.org/depts/injprev/Trans ... t%20Forget

http://www.usroads.com/journals/subjects.htm#19

geekster · Post by **geekster** » Thu Sep 23, 2004 2:40 pm

Damn.

sissylala29 · Post by **sissylala29** » Thu Sep 23, 2004 11:19 pm

Bob wrote:
sissylala29 wrote:...would it have been better if they'd tried to limp to a better spot...
Correct answer, but around here you'd be surprised at how many people try to change a tire mid-span on the Golden Gate Bridge.

sissylala29 wrote:...we did get it fixed w/ my jack and the help of a NHP officer who parked behind us, all lights flashing, in an attempt to slow down those who didn't slow down to offer their very usefull advice...
It's not clear from your post -- whether the extra cops patrolling the roads during the event fit your version of "community" -- or whether the folks passing you might actually have been up there hunting for muleys, not Burning Man.

It is a fact of life that when there is an event happening where large crowds are expected, the local PD will post more cops in the area. It's what they do, right or wrong.
Whether it's Burning Man, a high profile sporting event, concert, high school graduation etc.
I see it every year in this area. They are not singling out Burning man, they do the same thing during events like Hot August Nights, The Rib and Chili Cookoffs, Street Vibrations, the balloon and air races + any I may have forgotten.
Regardless of how I feel about the extra cops on the road, I appreciate the fact that he stopped to help. He didn't have to. I've seen cops pass by stranded motorists a time or two.
But cop or burner, we needed help and we weren't about to look a gift horse in the mouth. "No officer, we don't want YOUR help, now get the hell out of here, we'll strap some bungie cords to our asses and tow the popup the rest of the way, now SHOO, SCAT, don't you have donuts to eat or minorities to beat up on?"
I am sure that some of those that passed us by were not burners. But realistically, how many could it be? 1%? I'd say less than that. I'm a local, I KNOW what kind of traffic that stretch of road gets under normal circumstances. Besides, burners vehicles kinda stand out.

sissylala29 · Post by **sissylala29** » Fri Sep 24, 2004 1:06 am

geekster wrote:
sissylala29 wrote: As far as the sign, I really don't think it would have helped. If someone doesn't stop just because they think it's the right thing to do, regardless of if they know the situation or not, then a sign won't make a difference. Well, unless it said something like, "Won't work for food, but will blow for help"
About your suggested sign,
#1 What makes anyone involved a dumbass? (I'm a little sensative, can ya tell?)
#2 The tire was THRASHED, almost down to the rim......if anyone needed to read a sign to figure it out, that would make THEM the dumbass.
#3 She didn't forget the jack. Her mistake was making the assumption that her husband was not an inconsiderate idiot that would let her make an 8 hour drive, pulling a camper w/out a jack. Yes, she could have checked on it before she left home, but who does that??
#4 I think it was pretty obvious that we needed help...just as obvious as the fact that no one really gave a rats ass.
I'm really sounding like kind of a bitch aren't I? Or a whiny ass, not sure which. I don't mean to, I was just dissapointed. Still had a great time tho and have already started planning for next year.
And yes, when I leave, I will check to make sure my jack is there, just in case!
I will try to answer your questions as best as I can. As someone else mentioned, just seeing someone on the side of the road might not be enough. A lot depends on the situation. Do I have the time to look the vehicle over enough to actually see that tire? The kids might be squabbling, I might be really tired and just focusing on the road ahead, there could be a million reasons for not doing a close inspection of that vehicle off the road. Knowing ME though, I would at least look to see if people were crying or on fire or something just to make sure it wasnt an immediate life threatening situation. I suppose at the very least I would report the trouble at my first opportunity ahead.

I have a 4yr old who got her "Help I'm talking and can't shut up" genes from her mother, so I know about distractions.
I'm sure that some may not have noticed our vehicles at all, let alone the tire. But I'm equally sure that many did. And even if they didn't see the tire specifically, it was obvious that there was a problem. First there were two, then four women, all standing outside of their vehicles with their hazards on...if that's not obvious, I don't know what is. No, no one was on fire or crying and the situation wasn't life threatening. Does it have to be that bad for people to feel the urge to help?
I won't claim that in my everyday, 'non playa life' I stop for every stranded/broken down motorist I see. As a matter of fact, if I have my daughter with me, I'm highly unlikely to stop and if I do, the most I offer is use of my cel phone, never a ride. It's a scary world out there.
But having several hundred burners drive by us was disheartening and dissapointing

1. Nothing makes anyone a dumbass. I would have laughed at MYSELF and put that on the sign just to get a chuckle out of someone. That MIGHT be enough to put them in the mood to stop and interact with me. Just a little honey for the bee trap.

We did plenty of laughing at ourselves. And although we didn't have a sign, I know we still gave some a few chuckles...along w/ the lovely, 'get the fuck off the road' advice we also heard "Just lost your camp spot ya bimbos' and 'sucks to be you'

2. So the tire was thrashed. Was there a spare? Are we really talking about not only needing a jack but also a trip to civilization and back for a new tire?

A spare? You're supposed to have a spare AND a jack? Geeze, why does life have to be so difficult? So THAT'S why my friends were talking about 'The Good Guys' when they left me to stand guard over the popup. And I thought they were just going to get laid w/out me! Phew, that is a load off my mind. I thought I'd missed out ......YES, we had a spare

3. I KNOW she didn't forget the jack. Okay, change the sign to NO JACK. It is just there to justify the dumbass part. Kind of saying "okay, I learned my lesson, you can stop and help now". And before you go on too much about hubby, ANYONE that takes a vehicle on a trib through large expanses of uninhabited territory owes it to themself and their passangers to make sure they have some basics before they set out. This would include A FUCKING JACK, spare tire, water, jumper cables, and some way of making shade in a hurry if they get stranded that can be reached without unpacking the entire vehicle to get to it. He took the jack out ... fine ... SHE didn't check to make sure she had one before she left. It is always the driver's fault.

I've NEVER checked to see if my FUCKING JACK is where it's supposed to be. Yep, call me stupid, but if my jack is out of it's compartment, I'm fixing a flat and then it goes right back to where it belongs when I am done.
I've wracked my brain for other uses for it so it doesn't have to stay cooped up, but it's too heavy for a weather vaine, too dirty for a mantel piece, and it just looked stupid as a hood ornament.
We had water, shade, jumper cables, easily accessible warm clothes, etc. just no FUCKING JACK

4. Really? How do I know you didn't pull over to take a dump? How do I know the brake or wheel bearing didn't seize up and shred that tire? There could be a bazillion reasons you could be on the side of the road and a bazillion more for me not doing an inspection as I drive by. I admit, if you were trying to flag me down, I would have probably slowed enough for there to be some communications.

I don't usually make my dumps a family affair. If I find it absolutely neccessary to do my business on the side of the road, I generally prefer that no one else get out of the car. It tends to draw attention and, next thing you know, someone is pulling over to see if you need help as you scramble and pee all over yourself trying to get your pants up......or so I thought, now I know that I need not be concerned about that.
What if the brake or wheel bearing HAD seized up? What if the motor blew? Or the electrical system was dust? I'd think the possibility of something more serious than a flat is more reason to pull over, not less.

As for sounding like a bitch ... well, it sounds like it was a very frustrating experiance. Different people handle frustration in different ways. I just wonder why you need to focus blame on the community. Do they OWE you a stop? In a situation like that you should operate on the assumption that nobody is going to and go from there. In the case of the sign, it might have helped to add a line ... HAVE SPARE, NEED JACK. That is a big relief. That tells people, okay, we just need to jack this thing up, swap the tires and off you go (if the spare has any air in it).

You are right, I shouldn't blame the community. I expected something different and I guess that is where I made a mistake. Someone told me a long time ago that if you expect nothing, and get nothing, you won't be dissapointed. Unfortunately, I have a hard time living that philosophy.
2003 was my first burn. The first few nights, we were dissoriented. We spent alot of time looking at street signs and our map trying to figure out where the hell we were, where we'd been and where we were going. Turned out, we were usually going in circles.
Without fail, there was always someone who stepped in and asked if we needed help finding our way. Some invited us into their camp and treated us like old friends, not like the dumb, directionally challenged newbies that we were.
No, I don't think they OWED me anything. When I help someone, it's not because I feel obligated, it's because I want to. 2003 gave me the expectation that they'd want to. There's that expectation thing again, expect nothing, gonna work on that as my new mantra.
So, yes, the lack of concern/caring was surprising. I was dissapointed. My mistake for expecting anything

Telling people EXACTLY what you need is the first step to getting help quick.

atossab · Post by **atossab** » Tue Sep 28, 2004 3:32 pm

We saw tons of people on the side of the road, within visible distance of one another. Never thought pull over into the soft side, our car was fully packed with two bikes precariously strapped on top. Didn't think there was anything we could do but get stuck... I did feel guilty a couple of times, really wished there was something we could do.... but after seeing the 10th car on the side of the road, I realized this was unrealistic. I'm totally shocked at the things shouted out to you. It is really hard to believe. On the plus side, you WERE helped, and you had a good time, so no, it is not a drug infested rave because your tire blew and burners didnt' help. It is hard for people travelling hours and days with all their shit in tow to stop and help. I'm checking for my jack before I leave for work tomorrow, its been a while.

sparkletarte · Post by **sparkletarte** » Tue Sep 28, 2004 4:02 pm

Geez, sissylala, while I feel for you, self sufficiency doesn't start at the gate. I still get the feeling you were expecting people to stop for you. Maybe that's why they didn't. You know, leave your expectations at home.

You did get help, and I think that's what counts, doesn't it? What I got from Bob's post is that the cop that stopped is a part of our community- I don't think he was saying you should have shooed him away.

I probably wouldn't have stopped on that road- it was too narrow and I was afraid of getting sucked into the sand, and I'm sure lots of others are in the same boat. In Survival Guide they are quite clear about not pulling over for fear of getting stuck.

Bob · Post by **Bob** » Tue Sep 28, 2004 6:18 pm

FWIW - If I'm not mistaken, part of the hunting seasons for various game (muleys, antelope, etc.) overlap the art festival.

But the main reason to get the hell out of the road is because of the tractor/trailers hauling sewage out of Reno and garlic out of the north county.

playasnake · Post by **playasnake** » Tue Sep 28, 2004 8:00 pm

imagine if those two crashed into each other...

whew!

Badger · Post by **Badger** » Tue Sep 28, 2004 9:03 pm

imagine if those two crashed into each other...

You're eight years too late with that thought Playasnake.

It's known as Olive Garden restaurant.

geekster · Post by **geekster** » Tue Sep 28, 2004 9:19 pm

OMFG .... my kdb/screen is now SOAKED in coffee.

Good one, Badger!

HughMungus · Post by **HughMungus** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 2:55 pm

Was it obvious that they had a flat? If not that might be the reason for the comments.

unjonharley · Post by **unjonharley** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 5:21 pm

The pressure in the small tires change from night to day. I was all pack up, jacked the weight off the wheel on the trailer and the pump died. This was late morning Monday. So I made a sign asking for a pump. Up to that point people were waving goodbye to us. With the sign people turned thier heads so as not to see. Times sure change from day to day.

Bob · Post by **Bob** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 7:21 pm

Maybe they thought it said "HUMP?".

unjonharley · Post by **unjonharley** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 7:45 pm

Bob wrote:Maybe they thought it said "HUMP?".

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Does the 'communityness' not start til you're on the Playa?

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here is my small contribution to community safety

Re: Does the 'communityness' not start til you're on the Pla

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Re: Does the 'communityness' not start til you're on the Pla