Toward a PnP Code of Ethics and Best Practices

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Re: Toward a PnP Code of Ethics and Best Practices

Post by Jovankat » Fri Oct 31, 2014 6:36 pm

Good point, well argued.

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Re: Toward a PnP Code of Ethics and Best Practices

Post by Simon of the Playa » Sat Nov 01, 2014 5:27 am

prin·ci·ple
ˈprinsəpəl/
noun
noun: principle; plural noun: principles

1.
a fundamental truth or proposition that serves as the foundation for a system of belief or behavior or for a chain of reasoning.
“the basic principles of Christianity”
synonyms: truth, proposition, concept, idea, theory, assumption, fundamental, essential, ground rule
“elementary principles”
a rule or belief governing one’s personal behavior.
“struggling to be true to their own principles”
synonyms: morals, morality, (code of) ethics, beliefs, ideals, standards; More
integrity, uprightness, righteousness, virtue, probity, (sense of) honor, decency, conscience, scruples
“a woman of principle”
morally correct behavior and attitudes.
“a man of principle”
synonyms: morals, morality, (code of) ethics, beliefs, ideals, standards; More
integrity, uprightness, righteousness, virtue, probity, (sense of) honor, decency, conscience, scruples
“a woman of principle”
a general scientific theorem or law that has numerous special applications across a wide field.
a natural law forming the basis for the construction or working of a machine.
“these machines all operate on the same general principle”
2.
a fundamental source or basis of something.
“the first principle of all things was water”
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Re: Toward a PnP Code of Ethics and Best Practices

Post by Elderberry » Sat Nov 01, 2014 9:12 am

I'm not sure Christianity is the best example of having principles. Though it is a bit like burning man, in that it was made up by one person and continues to be controlled by that person to entertain the members. And just like religion, once it stops being entertaining, you don't have to keep going to church.
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Re: Toward a PnP Code of Ethics and Best Practices

Post by Simon of the Playa » Sat Nov 01, 2014 9:54 am

whatevs, kisha, whatevs.
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Re: Toward a PnP Code of Ethics and Best Practices

Post by Roberto Dobbisano » Sat Nov 01, 2014 9:56 am

seriously...


you're going to criticize the dictionary's definition to then make a back handed "well if you don't like it don't go" comment?



go fuck yourself.
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Re: Toward a PnP Code of Ethics and Best Practices

Post by H.G.Crosby » Sat Nov 01, 2014 10:02 am

don't call them fucking principles if you have no intention of attempting to adhere to them.

duh.
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Re: Toward a PnP Code of Ethics and Best Practices

Post by GreyCoyote » Sat Nov 01, 2014 12:23 pm

Simon, Simon... (Shaking head sadly). The word is "principle$", not "principles".

Please get it right in the future. :shock:
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Re: Toward a PnP Code of Ethics and Best Practices

Post by Simon of the Playa » Sat Nov 01, 2014 12:34 pm

it's funny how the words "principle" and "interest" can have two entirely different meanings...
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Re: Toward a PnP Code of Ethics and Best Practices

Post by GreyCoyote » Sat Nov 01, 2014 12:42 pm

Fiduciary principle. Compound interest.

I like the way you think, but you need to (money) launder your socks...
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Re: Toward a PnP Code of Ethics and Best Practices

Post by Lonesomebri » Sat Nov 01, 2014 1:20 pm

To sum up-
STEP ticket sales should end.
If you are a good person with an extra ticket, you are supposed to put it into the STEP process so it goes to another worthy Burner. You are not supposed to sell it for profit.
Kindhearted, good decent people put tickets back into STEP, even thought they could have seen a profit to themselves. They had some sort of guiding principle.
The Bmorg then took some of those tickets out of STEP, even though plenty of people where in line, believing and playing along with the notion that this was the proper thing to do.
Then the Bmorg sold the STEP tickets to people not patiently waiting in STEP, but to people who know the board and had money, making a profit.

The Bmorg took advantage of every single person who signed up for STEP, and every single person who sold back into STEP. What a great program they set up, huh?

And now the Bmorg has apologist dancing all around the issue, trying to distract from the complete sell-out of any semblance of fairness, honesty and justice. Yeah, I know, it's Larry's party, he can do whatever he wants.

The STEP system should die, not this thread. It has become a Trojan horse, just like radical inclusion, allowing the Burn to become not the Burn, while burning actual Burners.
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Re: Toward a PnP Code of Ethics and Best Practices

Post by GreyCoyote » Sat Nov 01, 2014 1:36 pm

It is rather hard to swallow the Weasels back-handed slap at all those poor rubes in STEP.

Maybe we should follow his lead: get as many tickets as possible, wait for the "sold out" sign to appear, and then scalp them at the end. I mean, come on guys, if Larry and his board of capitalists is gonna commodify this event, (and its real clear that is exactly what has happened), the fastest pigs to the trough wins. I want to be one of those pigs. (Oink-oink)

(I think thats called feeling "Harveyesque!")
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Re: Toward a PnP Code of Ethics and Best Practices

Post by A-RockLeFrench » Sat Nov 01, 2014 1:46 pm

Do we know that those 'gift tickets' were actually pulled from the STEP queue? Or are we deducing based on evidence?

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Re: Toward a PnP Code of Ethics and Best Practices

Post by GreyCoyote » Sat Nov 01, 2014 2:18 pm

A-RockLeFrench wrote:Do we know that those 'gift tickets' were actually pulled from the STEP queue? Or are we deducing based on evidence?
In all truth, I personally have no direct evidence due the lack of transparency in the ticketing process. That being said, it is well established that there were more people registered in STEP than there were allegedly tickets, yet many tickets remained "unsold".

My statement represents a reasonable inference based on what (little) is known. Perhaps there will be further "developments" that will support or discredit this belief. Either way, I would welcome it. I would be VERY HAPPY to be proven wrong. Key word: "proven". But given the opaque, absurd, contradictory manner the BMOrg has behaved, they are not likely to more than deflect, defuse and obfuscate any such discussion.

As Dennis Miller used to say at the end of his epic rants: "thats just my opinion. I could be wrong" :mrgreen:

Edited to add: what we DO know is none of those tickets went to a Little Guy, aka John Q Burner, who waited patiently thinking the process was fair, trusted in the Ticket Gods, and got stiffed. Instead, a bunch of entitled eliitists got tickets via a back-room deal from the very people who wanted us to believe we were all equal in the eyes if the Man.
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Re: Toward a PnP Code of Ethics and Best Practices

Post by FIGJAM » Sat Nov 01, 2014 3:21 pm

Read this a couple of days ago..........


2500 tickets were sold back to STEP by Burners, but only 1500 Burners in the STEP queue got tickets. BMOrg held onto 1000 for some purpose – probably this one – before saying they would release another 1000 tickets into STEP, and an extra 2000 into their OMG sale. They closed the STEP queue early, and we have no way of knowing how many STEPpers got tickets, and how many were left wanting after 3 months of waiting patiently.
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Re: Toward a PnP Code of Ethics and Best Practices

Post by Ratty » Sat Nov 01, 2014 3:54 pm

That bites.
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Post by socks2 » Sat Nov 01, 2014 8:35 pm

Helco did win after all

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"lets get into it"
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Re: Toward a PnP Code of Ethics and Best Practices

Post by forty_eight » Mon Nov 03, 2014 1:51 pm

Are these best practices ways to make money at the burn?

What other service industries would be a good fit for the event?

Restaurants
Laundries
Spas
Costumes
Concerts
Bike Shops

The gift versions are cool and quaint, but I'm looking out for the more genteel among us. You know - in the interest of Radical Inclusion.

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Re: Toward a PnP Code of Ethics and Best Practices

Post by Major Krash » Tue Nov 04, 2014 3:20 pm

Why complain? Follow the leadership of Larry!

-Sell extra tickets for whatever you can! (STEP is for suckers)

-Leave messes for "others" to deal with! DPW-flunkies loves this!

-Show up late (contribute nothing) and break any rules that are bothersome! (rules are so 2005)

-Promise big, and under deliver! (especially if you can get some foreigners to pay in advance)

-Then say it is all in "the best interests of Burning Man!"

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Re: Toward a PnP Code of Ethics and Best Practices

Post by H.G.Crosby » Wed Nov 05, 2014 7:27 pm

i'm still waiting for a deus ex machina to straighten this whole thing out and then we can all sing the trance remix of kumbaya together.





maybe oakenfold will dj.




i got it.....instead of fireballs and those stupid lemon thingies, next year everyone gets a free eight ball.




that would make everything all right.
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Re: Toward a PnP Code of Ethics and Best Practices

Post by AntiM » Wed Nov 05, 2014 7:51 pm

One Belushi special, please.

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Re: Toward a PnP Code of Ethics and Best Practices

Post by Ratty » Thu Nov 06, 2014 8:15 am

Make mine airplane glue please.
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Re: Toward a PnP Code of Ethics and Best Practices

Post by forty_eight » Thu Nov 06, 2014 11:29 am

Snorts a shitload of blow on playa

Wears dust mask around

I bet that really happens, LOL

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that has nothing to do with the thread but whatever

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Re: Toward a PnP Code of Ethics and Best Practices

Post by some seeing eye » Thu Nov 06, 2014 12:29 pm

We are starting to see a mismatch unfold between the behavior of the BM leadership and the expectation of the participants, carefully groomed over years. But with 40% virgins per year, the experienced participants will cycle out of the equation. I wouldn't be surprised if traditional camps start boosting their camp fees to the financial advantage of the organizers and hard workers (or you could say they are paying themselves a small hourly wage). Unless the camp has open books, it can all be hidden. Traditional camps charging a few fly-in campers 700, 1000 as opposed to 17000 might not be a bad thing. A small number of international virgins in a camp is few enough that they can be socialized. Not sure what values they would be socialized to, maybe they they can start their own profitable camps. As for when the artists check out, anyone's guess. There are many artist opportunities to show their work, and BM is not a good move for career artists. By the time the original leadership is fully retired, it will be a different event. As for the 100 years, it would need a lot more sustained uniqueness, and that playa is just going to get dustier and dustler with the climate changing. The attraction of a fire festival could wane as we have more wildfires.
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Re: Toward a PnP Code of Ethics and Best Practices

Post by Lonesomebri » Tue Nov 18, 2014 4:02 pm

Well, over on the Burning Man blog it looks like they have just about gone through the first string line-up trying to obscure the issues.... Time to get in the warm-up box, Elder...
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