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How to tell if your doing it WRONG.

Post by goathead » Tue Sep 16, 2014 12:07 am

If you need to pay someone to cook for you.

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Re: How to tell if your doing it WRONG.

Post by goathead » Tue Sep 16, 2014 12:08 am

If you need an employee to pick up your moop for you.

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Re: How to tell if your doing it WRONG.

Post by goathead » Tue Sep 16, 2014 12:09 am

If you pay a model to be your "mistress of merriment", kind of skirting the laws on human trafficking here a little don't you think?

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Re: How to tell if your doing it WRONG.

Post by goathead » Tue Sep 16, 2014 12:11 am

If you fly in and expect the airport greeters to haul your luggage to your camp for you.

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Re: How to tell if your doing it WRONG.

Post by Ratty » Tue Sep 16, 2014 12:20 am

If you ran out of food and water but not booze.
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Post by graidawg » Tue Sep 16, 2014 3:31 am

Ratty wrote:If you ran out of food and water but not booze.
i wouldn't call that doing it wrong. but then i am British - notice how the navy never ran out of rum?
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Re: How to tell if your doing it WRONG.

Post by delle » Tue Sep 16, 2014 4:11 am

If you don't go at all.
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Re: How to tell if your doing it WRONG.

Post by goathead » Tue Sep 16, 2014 4:14 am

not an option for me, I live here. snicker

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Post by kiboy » Tue Sep 16, 2014 7:05 am

goathead wrote:not an option for me, I live here. snicker
This is me being envious. What are the winters like?

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Re: How to tell if your doing it WRONG.

Post by goathead » Tue Sep 16, 2014 7:13 am

wet and muddy, sometimes really fucking cold, boring.

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Post by AntiM » Tue Sep 16, 2014 7:27 am

We went out to the playa once in winter. Windy as fuck, like ice in the bones. We drove a short distance out, when we got out of the vehicle, the playa felt slightly bouncy under our feet. Good sign not to drive in any farther.
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Re: How to tell if your doing it WRONG.

Post by kiboy » Tue Sep 16, 2014 7:38 am

goathead wrote:wet and muddy, sometimes really fucking cold, boring.
That's why I live in Southern Oregon instead of Eastern Oregon where my heart lies most of the year. I'm from Michigan so I know cold but those desert frigid winds get so cold you'd like to just spend the winter in the hot spring. And yeah boring. What's the best time of year to hike out around the Playa, Early June? Oct?

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Post by unjonharley » Tue Sep 16, 2014 7:56 am

Wrong, when you waste time demanding new rules.. The Bmorg has two( mind you two) deft ears.
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Post by kiboy » Tue Sep 16, 2014 8:13 am

Principles are probably a waste of time too. What were they thinking.

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Re: How to tell if your doing it WRONG.

Post by trilobyte » Tue Sep 16, 2014 9:54 am

It was a trick question... if you can read this you're doing it wrong.

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Re: How to tell if your doing it WRONG.

Post by goathead » Tue Sep 16, 2014 10:05 am

If your making excuses for the bmorg when shady shit happens, here's your sign.

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Post by trilobyte » Tue Sep 16, 2014 10:19 am

Nah, I'm poking fun at the guy playing lynch mob and pointing out the obvious.

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Re: How to tell if your doing it WRONG.

Post by goathead » Tue Sep 16, 2014 10:22 am

thats ok, I know the game, it isn't my first shit storm.

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Post by trilobyte » Tue Sep 16, 2014 10:40 am

Not mine, either. The fuckos were better last year.

I think Burning Man's doing things wrong, too, but think trying to dictate how someone can burn is both impossible and destroys a big chunk of what makes Burning Man special.

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Post by Lonesomebri » Tue Sep 16, 2014 11:20 am

If-
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Re: How to tell if your doing it WRONG.

Post by Doctor VonBacon » Tue Sep 16, 2014 11:37 am

I've been doing it wrong for years, as my wife keeps reminding me.
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Re: How to tell if your doing it WRONG.

Post by Jovankat » Tue Sep 16, 2014 11:59 am

Is anyone else chuckling at a thread about being wrong having a glaring grammatical error in it's title?

Also my boyfriend cooked for me and cleaned up nearly every meal was I doing it wrong?

How about if I tell you it was because putting the cooked food in front of me was the only way he could stop me MOOPing the camp or setting things up in the sun when I clearly needed rest etc. Still doing it wrong?

What about the camp a respected member of this board stayed with where he was verball abused (playfully I'm assuming, but still) by another camp mate because he wouldn't let her feed him. Was his campmate doing it wrong trying to give that gift?

While I'm on board with the "paid employees who don't get to participate using tickets that are then not available to real participants is bad" and "not having to think about and plan for your survival in any real way means you're missing a large junk of the experience" type arguments I think trying to define the "wrong" way of doing things is a bad idea. Riding a seqway definitely makes you look like a knob but I don't think it's entirely safe to assume anyone on a segway is doing everything else wrong. I think it takes a bunch of things being done in less than ideal ways for a camp to be "doing it wrong" but it's a nebulous and undefinable combination of some of the things mentioned in this thread and others that amounts to wrongness and trying to define that is a waste of time because each camp needed to be evaluated individually.

Anyway, all I'm trying to say is terrible as plug and plays may or may not be trying to distil their wrongness down to easily detectable signs is going to backfire and you're going to end up with a salt of the earth "true burner" on the end of your pitchfork just because they are a terrible cook or have a disability or they couldn't get enough time off work. And that will be awkward.

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Re: How to tell if your doing it WRONG.

Post by Lonesomebri » Tue Sep 16, 2014 12:17 pm

When you reply to goathead with more than 3 sentences........
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Post by Savannah » Tue Sep 16, 2014 12:41 pm

Lonesomebri wrote:When you reply to goathead with more than 3 sentences........
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Re: How to tell if your doing it WRONG.

Post by goathead » Tue Sep 16, 2014 12:55 pm

Jovankat wrote:Is anyone else chuckling at a thread about being wrong having a glaring grammatical error in it's title?

Also my boyfriend cooked for me and cleaned up nearly every meal was I doing it wrong?

How about if I tell you it was because putting the cooked food in front of me was the only way he could stop me MOOPing the camp or setting things up in the sun when I clearly needed rest etc. Still doing it wrong?

What about the camp a respected member of this board stayed with where he was verball abused (playfully I'm assuming, but still) by another camp mate because he wouldn't let her feed him. Was his campmate doing it wrong trying to give that gift?

While I'm on board with the "paid employees who don't get to participate using tickets that are then not available to real participants is bad" and "not having to think about and plan for your survival in any real way means you're missing a large junk of the experience" type arguments I think trying to define the "wrong" way of doing things is a bad idea. Riding a seqway definitely makes you look like a knob but I don't think it's entirely safe to assume anyone on a segway is doing everything else wrong. I think it takes a bunch of things being done in less than ideal ways for a camp to be "doing it wrong" but it's a nebulous and undefinable combination of some of the things mentioned in this thread and others that amounts to wrongness and trying to define that is a waste of time because each camp needed to be evaluated individually.

Anyway, all I'm trying to say is terrible as plug and plays may or may not be trying to distil their wrongness down to easily detectable signs is going to backfire and you're going to end up with a salt of the earth "true burner" on the end of your pitchfork just because they are a terrible cook or have a disability or they couldn't get enough time off work. And that will be awkward.
hello jovankat, glad to meet you. are you a teacher? because me and the fucking english language have never got along. over the course of many, many, many years i have had many try to correct what ever fucking error in english i have made, i doubt your going to suckeed. anyway if you are unable to tell the difference between your boyfriend and a paid boy toy well? yes you might be doing it wrong. FYI, i can snark hard, but i never carry a grudge. shall we play?

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Re: How to tell if your doing it WRONG.

Post by goathead » Tue Sep 16, 2014 1:14 pm

trilobyte wrote:Not mine, either. The fuckos were better last year.

I think Burning Man's doing things wrong, too, but think trying to dictate how someone can burn is both impossible and destroys a big chunk of what makes Burning Man special.
LMFAO, we have been told how to burn long before you got here. fuck, it was on fire before i started. and guess what, it STILL hasn't destroyed the burn.

Lol, yep, rich people having to take care of themselves is going to destroy the burn, or will they finally become one of us?

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Re: How to tell if your doing it WRONG.

Post by ygmir » Tue Sep 16, 2014 1:18 pm

goathead wrote:
Jovankat wrote:Is anyone else chuckling at a thread about being wrong having a glaring grammatical error in it's title?

Also my boyfriend cooked for me and cleaned up nearly every meal was I doing it wrong?

How about if I tell you it was because putting the cooked food in front of me was the only way he could stop me MOOPing the camp or setting things up in the sun when I clearly needed rest etc. Still doing it wrong?

What about the camp a respected member of this board stayed with where he was verball abused (playfully I'm assuming, but still) by another camp mate because he wouldn't let her feed him. Was his campmate doing it wrong trying to give that gift?

While I'm on board with the "paid employees who don't get to participate using tickets that are then not available to real participants is bad" and "not having to think about and plan for your survival in any real way means you're missing a large junk of the experience" type arguments I think trying to define the "wrong" way of doing things is a bad idea. Riding a seqway definitely makes you look like a knob but I don't think it's entirely safe to assume anyone on a segway is doing everything else wrong. I think it takes a bunch of things being done in less than ideal ways for a camp to be "doing it wrong" but it's a nebulous and undefinable combination of some of the things mentioned in this thread and others that amounts to wrongness and trying to define that is a waste of time because each camp needed to be evaluated individually.

Anyway, all I'm trying to say is terrible as plug and plays may or may not be trying to distil their wrongness down to easily detectable signs is going to backfire and you're going to end up with a salt of the earth "true burner" on the end of your pitchfork just because they are a terrible cook or have a disability or they couldn't get enough time off work. And that will be awkward.
hello jovankat, glad to meet you. are you a teacher? because me and the fucking english language have never got along. over the course of many, many, many years i have had many try to correct what ever fucking error in english i have made, i doubt your going to suckeed. anyway if you are unable to tell the difference between your boyfriend and a paid boy toy well? yes you might be doing it wrong. FYI, i can snark hard, but i never carry a grudge. shall we play?

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Re: How to tell if your doing it WRONG.

Post by goathead » Tue Sep 16, 2014 1:19 pm

Doctor VonBacon wrote:I've been doing it wrong for years, as my wife keeps reminding me.
fuck, i am not even a burner, just a dusty goat.

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Re: How to tell if your doing it WRONG.

Post by 5280MeV » Tue Sep 16, 2014 1:20 pm

trilobyte wrote:I think Burning Man's doing things wrong, too, but think trying to dictate how someone can burn is both impossible and destroys a big chunk of what makes Burning Man special.
Ok.

I mean, I can't disagree with that in some sense, but if there are no basic parameters then there is no need for principles, or philosophy, or education, and nothing for the Burning Man Project to do.

If I take a piss on the ground, I am doing it wrong. If I sneak in my dog, I am doing it wrong. If I bring a gun, I am doing it wrong. If Phillip Morris gave me a cowboy costume and 100 carton of cigarettes to hand out from the Marlboro car, and I do that, then I am doing it wrong. (actually I am not sure about that last one anymore)

You can't have your cake and eat it too with this. Either it is permissible to have a social environment mediated by commercial transactions, or it isn't.

Hiring a person cook for you because you are paying them to do it is not compatible with the principle of "decommodification" as written.

If this is not "doing it wrong" then remove or revise the principle.

Having a "Burning Man Project" whose aim is to educate us all (and I mean all of us - not just you guys at the Gerlach regional) on this principle of decommodification, and then (if true) having the guiding visionaries of this project hire people to cook for them at a burn is completely absurd.

Hell, this might really be much better off if we all really did scrap the principles, and wrote up a more pragmatic covenant (which could be different for Burning Man and other regional burns) of what the basic parameters or rules of the experiment were, and then you could really hold up "don't tell me how to burn" as the closest thing you have to a principle. In that case, people could really make the event whatever they wanted it to be for them, and nobody would be putting a face on the man. Then there would be no philosophy, no Burning Man Project, no movement to try to transform society with. It would just be what it is for the week that it is there, and everyone would take from it what they will.

In any case, you can't have your cake and eat it too. There are three options:

1) Keep decommodification as a principle as is, and get rid of vendors (or at the very least limit them to deliveries and people quickly entering and leaving in special cases).

2) Drop or revise the decommodification principle, and let people hire bartenders.

3) Deal with people getting pissed off or at least mocking the obvious dishonesty of the whole enterprise.
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Re: How to tell if your doing it WRONG.

Post by goathead » Tue Sep 16, 2014 1:31 pm

ygmir wrote:
goathead wrote:
Jovankat wrote:Is anyone else chuckling at a thread about being wrong having a glaring grammatical error in it's title?

Also my boyfriend cooked for me and cleaned up nearly every meal was I doing it wrong?

How about if I tell you it was because putting the cooked food in front of me was the only way he could stop me MOOPing the camp or setting things up in the sun when I clearly needed rest etc. Still doing it wrong?

What about the camp a respected member of this board stayed with where he was verball abused (playfully I'm assuming, but still) by another camp mate because he wouldn't let her feed him. Was his campmate doing it wrong trying to give that gift?

While I'm on board with the "paid employees who don't get to participate using tickets that are then not available to real participants is bad" and "not having to think about and plan for your survival in any real way means you're missing a large junk of the experience" type arguments I think trying to define the "wrong" way of doing things is a bad idea. Riding a seqway definitely makes you look like a knob but I don't think it's entirely safe to assume anyone on a segway is doing everything else wrong. I think it takes a bunch of things being done in less than ideal ways for a camp to be "doing it wrong" but it's a nebulous and undefinable combination of some of the things mentioned in this thread and others that amounts to wrongness and trying to define that is a waste of time because each camp needed to be evaluated individually.

Anyway, all I'm trying to say is terrible as plug and plays may or may not be trying to distil their wrongness down to easily detectable signs is going to backfire and you're going to end up with a salt of the earth "true burner" on the end of your pitchfork just because they are a terrible cook or have a disability or they couldn't get enough time off work. And that will be awkward.
hello jovankat, glad to meet you. are you a teacher? because me and the fucking english language have never got along. over the course of many, many, many years i have had many try to correct what ever fucking error in english i have made, i doubt your going to suckeed. anyway if you are unable to tell the difference between your boyfriend and a paid boy toy well? yes you might be doing it wrong. FYI, i can snark hard, but i never carry a grudge. shall we play?

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