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A Statement from Jim Tananbaum

Post by Jovankat » Wed Dec 17, 2014 6:21 pm

Just posted on the blog; A Statement from Jim Tananbaum
Burning Man Project board member and Caravancicle founder Jim Tananbaum has addressed questions raised about his 2014 camp in Black Rock City.

The following was posted today on Caravancicle.com … we’re reposting it here for your convenience:

I am writing to respond to a number of posts regarding Caravancicle, a camp of which I was a member in 2014 – I also helped envision and fund the camp.

I first want to apologize broadly to anyone who felt disrespected by our camp or concerned about the implications of our camp’s operation to the long-term health of Burning Man.

I have been attending Burning Man every year since 2009. Burning Man is a singularly impactful event for me and, since first attending, I have become deeply moved by the 10 Principles, the potential for these principles to change the world, and the environment of the playa as an embodiment of the principles. This is the reason I joined the Burning Man Board of Directors. It is also the reason why I wanted to create a camp environment that would help enable my friends to share the transformative experience of Burning Man. In addition, we wanted to introduce a more sustainable, communal and aesthetically pleasing alternative to RVs to the playa. It was always our intention to provide an open environment, which welcomed everyone and was consistent with the spirit of Burning Man. It is clear based on blog posts and comments made online that not everyone experienced what we intended.

For that, I would like to apologize. Despite our best intentions and efforts, some things did not turn out as planned.

Caravancicle is the third camp I have been involved with at Burning Man. My experience has been with larger camps requiring some workers to provide the infrastructure. Our camp was constructed by a long-term Burner with deep respect and care for the community, who was hired to manage the camp. He also led the build for the camp we did the year before. We have worked with people in the past to build out our camp who were hired by the camp organizers and then would enjoy the Burning Man experience when they were not working. Our campmates would staff the bar, greet people, give out gifts, etc. This year, our plan was to gift a neighboring camp infrastructure in exchange for their assistance in building ours. We were trying to build community through sharing resources.

To make a long and painful story short, our partners were not able to complete our build and our remaining staff was left having to build out toilets, showers and other infrastructure (without having planned to and therefore not having the proper resources to do so). During this crisis, many people in our camp rose to the occasion, but a few, like “SherpaGirl,” decided to leave and then wrote a disappointing account of her few hours in our camp. Another person in camp posted a sign asking for help without asking anyone else. We had some first time Burners in the camp, including the person who posted the sign. We also had many return Burners in the camp. I think most people attending Burning Man have had some unexpected situations; we did, and we tried to adjust to these in the moment.

The hero of this unfortunate situation was our camp’s manager who worked tirelessly for 2 days along with other camp members to help provide basic infrastructure for all of us. While the crisis was going on, all of us were greatly distracted and weren’t able to properly respond to the many people coming through our camp. Our supplies were also dwindling. Since the camp was so large, we used wristbands to help manage the food, water, and booze supply during non-public hours. It was really sad for me to read the accounts of people who visited our camp and were turned down for drinks during the day (including a number of my friends). Ughh…. If we had simply posted a sign providing details on camp gift times, it would have made a big difference.

Our camp breakdown was also compromised because the group responsible for providing the infrastructure was also responsible for part of the breakdown. In the end, our camp manager and some other members of the camp, plus breakdown staff, cleaned up our camp by Saturday after the event. We took a photo of our campsite before we left the playa and it was free of MOOP. We then learned that a camp next door was having significant issues with clean up and we sent trucks back to help them. It is unclear to me as to why we remain with some red marks on the MOOP map.

To specifically answer questions: I did not profit from Caravancicle (in fact I gifted money, as I do every year). Our bar was open to the public at night but not during the day. We should have posted a sign to make this clear. On Friday night, used up all of our booze to gift a huge party for anyone who visited our camp. We regularly gifted very yummy homemade popsicles and herbal tea but were not able to set up the gift stand in front of the camp as originally envisioned because of the build crisis we had. We regularly gifted drinks, water, and electrolytes at night.

Regarding questions on the 10 Principles of Burning Man:

1. Radical Inclusion: Burning Man welcomes people from all walks of life. Referring to Caravancicle campers or members of any other camp as “the rich people” is creating a class system within Burning Man, which I don’t believe is beneficial to the community. Our camp welcomed people from all walks of life. Sometimes we had art cars that were filled up with our camp members and would not have been safe to include others. During other parts of the days, these art cars welcomed anyone to come on board until they were filled to safe capacity.

2. Gifting: Burning Man is devoted to acts of giving. Caravancicle gifted popsicles, tea, booze, water and electrolytes, but at the beginning of the week we did not serve non-camp members drinks during the day and failed to make it clear to non-camp members that we would be offering drinks during nighttime hours to everyone. We did gift a blow out Friday party with full bar and snacks. We could have greatly improved our communications on this matter.

3. Decommodification: Our community seeks to create social environments that are unmediated by commercial sponsorship, transactions, or advertising. Caravancicle was in no way affiliated with any third party sponsorships. We hired a team to produce the camp (as many camps do), but Caravancicle did not participate in any advertising. The ‘promotional materials’ and website were sent to guests who were invited to join the camp. We did not actively promote the camp. No one in Caravancicle made money off of the camp.

4. Radical Self-reliance: Although many of the more physical aspects of self-reliance were lost on the Caravanciclers, camp members were encouraged to exercise and rely on their inner resources. Just as in other camps, many members spent extensive amounts of time reflecting and self-exploring out on the playa. They faced many of the same challenges every other Burner faces at the event.

5. Radical Self-expression: Caravancicle was an act of creative expression in and of itself. The camp had months and months of planning and effort put into it, including help from many of its members. While not all members of the camp participated in the creative aspect of building the camp, each brought their own unique personality, costumes and contributions to Burning Man.

6. Communal Effort: While I can’t argue that Caravancicle members had significantly less work to do as far as cooking and maintenance, all members were still responsible for chores around camp including, but not limited to, picking up trash and being responsible for washing their own dishes. We also created a beautiful space open to the public that fostered cooperation and collaboration.

7. Civic Responsibility: Caravancicle assumed responsibility for the conduct of our events. We refused alcohol to minors and to people who didn’t have cups in order to limit MOOP. On one specific instance there were so many bikes parked outside one of our parties that the Rangers had to come inside and let us know. We killed the music and shut down the party immediately, making sure the mess was cleared up right away.

8. Leaving No Trace: Our clean up was delayed because of our co-dependency on a partner camp. We were able to clean our site, with pictures taken that document a clean site on Saturday after the event. It is unclear to me why we received red marks on the MOOP map, but I think we were generally docked points because we were late in leaving. We also sent back help for a neighbor camp that was having difficulties cleaning up.

9. Participation: Members of Caravancicle participated and achieved through “doing”. I urge everyone to remember that for some of our campers, this was their first burn. Personally, I contributed substantially less my first year than I have in years since. This year, however, I allocated vast amounts of time, effort and money to create something beautiful to share with the community.

10. Immediacy: Most Burners agree that Immediacy is the touchstone of value in our culture. Just like every other participant in this community, I wish to overcome barriers that stand between us and a recognition of our inner selves. I did not get it perfectly right, but I did make my best effort to create something beautiful and creative, unique and innovative.

Regarding other questions that have been raised about me and my camp:

Plug and Play: While a lot of personal responsibility was deflected onto camp employees, I have worked tirelessly since the beginning of the year planning, organizing and executing a camp that brought beauty and value to the playa. Although some of our campers were “plug and play” participants per se, the act of judging them or excluding them goes against everything that Burning Man stands for regarding radical inclusion.

Profit: There have been suggestions that our camp was for profit. I can assure you our camp generated no money and was not, in any way, a money making venture. Additionally, the Burning Man organization was in no way involved with the planning or production of the camp – it was an entirely personal project. Our website was meant to be viewed by 60 or so people who were planning to participate in our camp and was password protected. The material which referred to artists was produced by our partner camp and not us as a way of describing what they envisioned. Our partner camp described this as fully endorsed by the artists they included. I am sorry that people outside of Caravancicle camp were able to gain access to our website and share our draft material without our authorization. I am also sorry about artists whose names they included without their authorization. Caravancicle was trying to create an environment which shared the beauty of our architecture and design with other creative forces on the playa.

Burning Man Project Board of Directors: I joined the board of directors because I’m passionate about the impact Burning Man culture can have on the world, and because I believe my professional experience and perspective is valuable to the new nonprofit at this early stage of its development. I believe Burning Man and what it has to offer the world is still very nascent and am thrilled to be working with other board members to steward its growth and development.

I believe there is a silver lining in the discussion our camp has engendered because it has caused a healthy dialog about the implications for Burning Man’s evolution. I am proud to be a Burner. I am proud that my fellow Burners felt passionate enough about the sanctity of Burning Man to push this discussion, and I look forward to taking new ideas and lessons learned into the future.

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Re: A Statement from Jim Tananbaum

Post by Captain Goddammit » Wed Dec 17, 2014 7:03 pm

What a glittering example of a politically correct, lawyer and PR guy approved public statement.
Fuck I hate reading that stuff.
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Re: A Statement from Jim Tananbaum

Post by digital » Wed Dec 17, 2014 7:10 pm

Captain Goddammit wrote:What a glittering example of a politically correct, lawyer and PR guy approved public statement.
Fuck I hate reading that stuff.
^ Yup.

I'm curious if he will have the balls to show up in 2015 and what the reaction of participants will be towards him and his camp. Other than this, I'm over the whole thing. I've had my fill of long-winded posts from complainers, escapists and PR folk.

/popcorn officially consumed and empty
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Re: A Statement from Jim Tananbaum

Post by GreyCoyote » Wed Dec 17, 2014 7:26 pm

Yup. There it is. Its all just a big misunderstanding. Of course, he and Larry cant even get their stories to match, but we expected that.

Poor baby claims he didnt make a profit. (-sob-) News flash: you are not SUPPOSED to make a profit.

Lets sort this out by the numbers: The dude got special placement, unlimited tickets from a secret sale, early arrival, late departure, and some of the wealthiest people on the planet paid him a fuckton of money to package our event for their pleasure. Lets give the lad the benefit of the doubt and pretend he didnt make money (oh please). Now tell me: is THIS the kind of guy you want on the BMORG? Piss poor organizer, no leadership skills, couldnt pull off a camp, left a massive mess, and couldnt make money in a camp with one of the largest budgets on the playa?

What did I miss, other than his "apology" was three months late and smells like the work of a PR team?

See you in the dust, Jimbo. Cant wait to meet you.
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Re: A Statement from Jim Tananbaum

Post by Simon of the Playa » Wed Dec 17, 2014 7:42 pm

just my humble opinion.

but...if it was my camp, i would issue this apology....




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Re: A Statement from Jim Tananbaum

Post by alt12 » Wed Dec 17, 2014 8:13 pm

Fucking nauseating is all I can say. This is so far from what Burning Man used to be its laughable. Perhaps I'm becoming a surly old timer, but I remember when people used to just give shit away when they had it. Or if you walked by your neighbors camp, they would invite you in and offer you a drink. Or if you ran out of something, like gas, you could be sure one of your neighbors would have extra and share it. Then you'd come back with a bottle of whiskey as a thank you. Many friendships and bonds were formed this way.

Neighbors didn't have authorized "gifting hours" and a "gifting policy" clearly designed to check the "gifting' box on the our PnP camp application. They didn't consult with their supervisor on whether they could offer a fucking lemonade to someone stopping by. I literally don't even know what the fuck he is talking about. What planet is this? Is this like an alternative reality of Burning Man that I'm missing? Like a Twilight Zone episode where Burning Man becomes taken over by soulless corporate clones? I wonder if Sherpagirl got her TPS reports in on time.

Jesus. And this guy is on the board. My fucking God.

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Re: A Statement from Jim Tananbaum

Post by Finnegan » Wed Dec 17, 2014 8:25 pm

Yes. This is the face of Burning Man now. Except he's in hiding, of course.
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Re: A Statement from Jim Tananbaum

Post by DrYes » Wed Dec 17, 2014 8:39 pm

*facepalm*

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Re: A Statement from Jim Tananbaum

Post by Elderberry » Wed Dec 17, 2014 8:48 pm

Had that "apology/explanation" came out immediately after the shit hit the fan, it would have come off as being more sincere. Now it sounds like he was resistant/hesitant to address the issue and was forced to by the powers that be.

Though there was one issue--Sherpa Girl. As I don't read much on this other than what I see here, have there been other Sherpas that have also spoken out, or might Sherpa Girl just have had her own personal axe to grind?

And I love this...
GreyCoyote wrote:...Now tell me: is THIS the kind of guy you want on the BMORG? Piss poor organizer, no leadership skills, couldnt pull off a camp, left a massive mess, and couldnt make money in a camp with one of the largest budgets on the playa? ...
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Re: A Statement from Jim Tananbaum

Post by Finnegan » Wed Dec 17, 2014 8:59 pm

Keep in mind that the other sherpas are likely employed by JT or an associate, and hence reluctant to say anything. "Hired help" on the playa.. Wow.
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Re: A Statement from Jim Tananbaum

Post by Jackass » Wed Dec 17, 2014 8:59 pm

That was weak, BIG TIME! He basically accepted blame for nothing by blaming everything that happened on bad luck and adverse conditions, it's not his fault!

Even the BMORG has to be facepalming over this one...
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Re: A Statement from Jim Tananbaum

Post by Ano » Wed Dec 17, 2014 9:16 pm

Elderberry wrote:
Though there was one issue--Sherpa Girl. As I don't read much on this other than what I see here, have there been other Sherpas that have also spoken out, or might Sherpa Girl just have had her own personal axe to grind?
When SherpaGirl did an AMA on /r/burningman on Reddit, a few anonymous accounts came out of the woodwork and made some comments either corroborating SherpaGirl's story or providing more details. Anyone can make an account, so, there's really no confirmation that they were real or not, but many of them were deleted and many of the accounts disappeared around a week after the whole thing went down.

Personally... I feel like JT's statement is not only way too late, but it reeks of bullshit. But I've personally decided I'm done with this whole batch of drama. Too much energy wasted on the negative. It's time to focus on... the positive.

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Post by Finnegan » Wed Dec 17, 2014 9:19 pm

Drama fatigue. It's a thing.
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Re: A Statement from Jim Tananbaum

Post by Elliot » Wed Dec 17, 2014 9:24 pm

There is an important lesson in writing here. First Mr. Tananbaum's example of how not to write, and then Simon's example of how to write.
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Re: A Statement from Jim Tananbaum

Post by vargaso » Wed Dec 17, 2014 9:36 pm

No you don't understand, the private toilets weren't even in place when they got there. Do you people realize what that means?! THEY HAD TO USE THE PORTAPOTTIES ALONG WITH THE UNWASHED MASSES!!! Holy fuck, those poor souls.

I give a hearty "meh" to this. Dude is still on the board. And I wholeheartedly agree with this:
Simon of the Playa wrote:just my humble opinion.

but...if it was my camp, i would issue this apology....




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Re: A Statement from Jim Tananbaum

Post by Captain Goddammit » Wed Dec 17, 2014 9:51 pm

To be honest, I didn't read the whole thing.
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Re: A Statement from Jim Tananbaum

Post by Finnegan » Wed Dec 17, 2014 9:52 pm

No you don't understand, the private toilets weren't even in place when they got there. Do you people realize what that means?! THEY HAD TO USE THE PORTAPOTTIES ALONG WITH THE UNWASHED MASSES!!! Holy fuck, those poor souls.
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Re: A Statement from Jim Tananbaum

Post by Roundabout » Wed Dec 17, 2014 10:05 pm

Jim Tananbaum wrote: We hired a team to produce the camp (as many camps do)...

Caravancicle is the third camp I have been involved with at Burning Man. My experience has been with larger camps requiring some workers to provide the infrastructure. Our camp was constructed by a long-term Burner with deep respect and care for the community, who was hired to manage the camp. He also led the build for the camp we did the year before. We have worked with people in the past to build out our camp who were hired by the camp organizers ...

our remaining staff was left having to build out toilets, showers and other infrastructure (without having planned to and therefore not having the proper resources to do so ...

...a lot of personal responsibility was deflected onto camp employees ...

I joined the board of directors because I’m passionate about the impact Burning Man culture can have on the world, and because I believe my professional experience and perspective is valuable to the new nonprofit at this early stage of its development.
JT's long awaited response is a long rationalization explaining why his group of friends is somehow exempt from every one of the Ten Principles except for Immediacy. Responsibility for every other principle is simply hired out to be taken care of by the "staff". That is the culture which surrounds his default life and he brings it to the Playa. In his years at Burning Man, I suspect that he has ONLY attended plug n play camps and has therefore never had the opportunity to truly experience, grow into and incorporate the other nine. His response makes it clear that his leadership is a sign of a cancer in the heart of the board of directors.
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Re: A Statement from Jim Tananbaum

Post by pink » Wed Dec 17, 2014 10:32 pm

alt12 wrote:Fucking nauseating is all I can say. This is so far from what Burning Man used to be its laughable. Perhaps I'm becoming a surly old timer, but I remember when people used to just give shit away when they had it. Or if you walked by your neighbors camp, they would invite you in and offer you a drink. Or if you ran out of something, like gas, you could be sure one of your neighbors would have extra and share it. Then you'd come back with a bottle of whiskey as a thank you. Many friendships and bonds were formed this way.

Neighbors didn't have authorized "gifting hours" and a "gifting policy" clearly designed to check the "gifting' box on the our PnP camp application. They didn't consult with their supervisor on whether they could offer a fucking lemonade to someone stopping by. I literally don't even know what the fuck he is talking about. What planet is this? Is this like an alternative reality of Burning Man that I'm missing? Like a Twilight Zone episode where Burning Man becomes taken over by soulless corporate clones? I wonder if Sherpagirl got her TPS reports in on time.

Jesus. And this guy is on the board. My fucking God.
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On another hand by mid week we were running out of paper towels because our foot wash station was FAR more popular than in previous years. Put out a sign saying we needed paper towels & our neighbors brought over enough that we could keep going during all our scheduled washing sessions.
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Re: A Statement from Jim Tananbaum

Post by zeigen » Wed Dec 17, 2014 11:02 pm

JT's completely absurd and non-apologetic response is the most mystifying thing I've ever seen associated with Burning Man, and I've seen Pepe's operas.

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Re: A Statement from Jim Tananbaum

Post by Eric » Wed Dec 17, 2014 11:23 pm

Ano wrote:Personally... I feel like JT's statement is not only way too late, but it reeks of bullshit.

Honestly, JT was better off having people dislike him for who we thought he was, than he is coming out and proving people right.

Ano wrote:But I've personally decided I'm done with this whole batch of drama. Too much energy wasted on the negative. It's time to focus on... the positive.
I'm quickly falling into this camp.
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I didn't read the whole thing either, but I do have a question - wrong hole for whom? :wink:
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Re: A Statement from Jim Tananbaum

Post by Finnegan » Wed Dec 17, 2014 11:32 pm

Ano wrote:But I've personally decided I'm done with this whole batch of drama. Too much energy wasted on the negative. It's time to focus on... the positive.


I'm quickly falling into this camp.
And this is how Germany got away with Pearl Harbor.
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Re: A Statement from Jim Tananbaum

Post by DrYes » Thu Dec 18, 2014 12:10 am

Finnegan wrote:
Ano wrote:But I've personally decided I'm done with this whole batch of drama. Too much energy wasted on the negative. It's time to focus on... the positive.


I'm quickly falling into this camp.
And this is how Germany got away with Pearl Harbor.
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Re: A Statement from Jim Tananbaum

Post by DrYes » Thu Dec 18, 2014 12:45 am

I wrote a letter to Jim here: http://www.burn.life/blog/letter-to-jim-tananbaum

The TL;DR:

Jim, you sound like you're a passionate well-meaning Burner, but you're incredibly tone-deaf.

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Re: A Statement from Jim Tananbaum

Post by Sandstorm » Thu Dec 18, 2014 1:22 am

I find JT's response a failure in many ways. On a personal note, I find the timing of its release hysterical. I've recently had my morals and my ComCamp related motives and opinions questioned and/or lambasted by some other Burners and now JT has suddenly rolled out a pathetic post that illustrates and reinforces something that I wrote yesterday on eplaya before I learned that JT's PR disaster had hit the Internet.
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I'm going to make some popcorn and settle in for the next episode of "As The Playa Turns". This sh*t show is only going to get worse, which is both sad and hysterical.

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Re: A Statement from Jim Tananbaum

Post by Captain Goddammit » Thu Dec 18, 2014 5:42 am

Eric wrote:
Captain Goddammit wrote:To be honest, I didn't read the whole thing.
You don't have to get very far in it to realize you're in the wrong hole.
I didn't read the whole thing either, but I do have a question - wrong hole for whom? :wink:
Well I was just trying to find a more colorful way of saying JT is a big fat doo doo head.
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Re: A Statement from Jim Tananbaum

Post by Simon of the Playa » Thu Dec 18, 2014 5:46 am

somebody gag the goat already...
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Re: A Statement from Jim Tananbaum

Post by VultureChow » Thu Dec 18, 2014 6:41 am

I think we all owe JT a debt of gratitude. Seriously. I'm not even angry at him at this point. He's only been burning for 5 years and he was made a board member. It's like making a monkey the manager of an art gallery and then being upset when the walls are covered in monkey shit. What did you think was going to happen?

Caravancicle was a disaster. But there have been disastrous camps before. Poorly managed camps, for-profit camps, outright scams. And the rumors float around. They get talked about on facebook. Or here. And then they end. The only reason this had legs was because JT was involved.

In his defense, these practices of paid staff, wristbands, etc have been around for years.He's likely stayed on those camps. For him, that IS Burning Man. And no one in the organization taught him any differently. Instead, he was REWARDED for his way of burning by being given a leadership position.

These practices are finally being openly discussed by the common burners and are finally being addressed by the organization because of JT. So he handled his shit poorly. And his statement shows he learned all the wrong lessons. But the floodgates are opened. Our eyes are opened and the Org is learning they can't just sweep it under the rug anymore.
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Re: A Statement from Jim Tananbaum

Post by Aurelia » Thu Dec 18, 2014 7:33 am

[quote="Elliot"]There is an important lesson in writing here. First Mr. Tananbaum's example of how not to write, and then Simon's example of how to write.
Yep, writing is generally improved by removing words, not by adding them.[/quote]
Simon and Elliot yes
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Re: A Statement from Jim Tananbaum

Post by Elderberry » Thu Dec 18, 2014 8:27 am

Finnegan wrote:
Ano wrote:But I've personally decided I'm done with this whole batch of drama. Too much energy wasted on the negative. It's time to focus on... the positive.


I'm quickly falling into this camp.
And this is how Germany got away with Pearl Harbor.
Huh? What did Germany have to do with Pearl Harbor?

And I agree with Ano.
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