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Re: Burning Man just got more expensive

Post by some seeing eye » Thu Jun 04, 2015 1:06 pm

I think Sham os onto something. Maybe we should ban entertainment and get back to participation? No audiences.
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Re: Burning Man just got more expensive

Post by lucky420 » Thu Jun 04, 2015 1:09 pm

[quote="Simon of the Playa"]hey maybe bringing in BIG NAME DJ's and ADVERTISING THE LINEUP has nothing to do with making BM a Live Venue...but it probably incvreased it's visibility ( i know, riiiight, how is that possible) by causing every EDM blog from here to Podunk to Reprint the Incredible Fucking Line-up from hell.

no...not at all..

you know, i'm 100% wrong....

of course, i said this a year ago, on that thread that's "not relevant" and dead..i won't post the link, something about line-ups.....


and yes, predicting the future is as easy as predicting the weather.

any schmuck can do that. :twisted:[/quote

Yep! I remember the thread and you are totally right! and didnt the bmorg ask that camp to take down their advertised line up? yep
Oh my god, it's HUGE!

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Re: Burning Man just got more expensive

Post by Simon of the Playa » Thu Jun 04, 2015 1:12 pm

Yep! I remember the thread and you are totally right! and didnt the bmorg ask that camp to take down their advertised line up? yep

well, they must be 100% wrong too.
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Re: Burning Man just got more expensive

Post by Bless » Thu Jun 04, 2015 6:02 pm

Simon of the Playa wrote:hey maybe bringing in BIG NAME DJ's and ADVERTISING THE LINEUP has nothing to do with making BM a Live Venue...but it probably incvreased it's visibility ( i know, riiiight, how is that possible) by causing every EDM blog from here to Podunk to Reprint the Incredible Fucking Line-up from hell.
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Re: Burning Man just got more expensive

Post by lucky420 » Thu Jun 04, 2015 6:55 pm

No they have staff who do that
Oh my god, it's HUGE!

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Re: Burning Man just got more expensive

Post by Lonesomebri » Thu Jun 04, 2015 7:02 pm

Bless wrote:At the risk of sounding like a Debbie Downer...
Paying taxes is a civil duty that should be celebrated. I thought some of the self-professed communists around here might support that sentiment...
...Or, what if...
Oh, I like paying my taxes, for my community, sure. Paying others fees for their choice to hire professional entertainment at a participatory event, though, gives pause to my celebration.
As a capitalist there should be pride in paying your own ticket fees for hiring those types. Just make up the money by charging a "sharing economy" admission fee to the sound camps.

Sure, it's a government money grab, but to claim that all those folks encouraging-
*advertised and promoted big money professional entertainment*
at the event has nothing at all to do with the government then seeing the Burn as an event with
*big money promoted and advertised professional entertainment*...
well...

Remember all those articles about the Burn, including the hyped perception of it, in all those publications and websites this past year? I know I didn't imagine it all.
Even here some of us suggest that it IS that form of pro-entertainment being hyped that is making a difference in whether the event is taxed as providing entertainment or not.

I suppose they have to make up the difference in funding for once the pot legalization kicks in. Ha, remember how many people seemed to champion that tax ?!
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Re: Burning Man just got more expensive

Post by Simon of the Playa » Thu Jun 04, 2015 7:41 pm

Just an aside.

I ran for attorney general in NY in 19 fucking 98 on the marijuana reform party.






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Re: Burning Man just got more expensive

Post by Bless » Thu Jun 04, 2015 8:32 pm

Simon of the Playa wrote:I ran for attorney general in NY in 19 fucking 98.
And you let Eliot Spitzer beat you... what a disgrace.
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Re: Burning Man just got more expensive

Post by Simon of the Playa » Fri Jun 05, 2015 6:48 am

i know...i was robbed....


it was like palm beach county circa 2000....hanging chads, jews voting for buchanan by mistake, the whole nine...
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Re: Burning Man just got more expensive

Post by ygmir » Fri Jun 05, 2015 8:04 am

Bless wrote:
Simon of the Playa wrote:I ran for attorney general in NY in 19 fucking 98.
And you let Eliot Spitzer beat you... what a disgrace.
I bet he could have beat Mr. Wiener, though..........Anthony, that is.
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Re: Burning Man just got more expensive

Post by some seeing eye » Fri Jun 05, 2015 8:58 am

Predict 2018 that NY will stop clogging its justice system with this. So Simon was only 20 years early! Seeing things early is a bitch, even in relation to the festival in the desert. https://www.mainstreet.com/article/thes ... galization

Nevada extends the tax all the visitors philosophy to the extreme, and why they can give massive tax advantages to battery factories, as Alaska has tax all the resource extraction down. Every state is different, and it is not unexpected that Nevada would be interested in taxing BM. Odd that they are not all for nuclear fuel storage they could tax for the next 50,000 years.

BM ticket revenues from the event are about 30M. Someone should look up or FOIA the BLM 3%? tax on vendors, who also pay state taxes. Maybe NV should lodging tax the PnP? The economic value that is ticket revenue, vendor revenue, camp expenditures, and the value of a week of vacation for 70K attendees is easily North of 500mil.
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Re: Burning Man just got more expensive

Post by Simon of the Playa » Sat Jun 06, 2015 5:41 am

Meh.

Talk amongst yourselves.

Im too busy pondering 2036.

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Re: Burning Man just got more expensive

Post by ranger magnum » Sat Jun 06, 2015 6:45 am

Ticket pice now $425?

Meh....

I do that in Molly during the week....

Whatever.

Here's my money.
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Re: Burning Man just got more expensive

Post by Captain Goddammit » Sat Jun 06, 2015 9:46 am

Between time off work, fuel, vehicle maintenance, camp supplies, booze, and other BM prep, the ticket price isn't much of a factor anyway.
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Re: Burning Man just got more expensive

Post by FlyingMonkey » Sat Jun 06, 2015 9:56 am

Simon of the Playa wrote:
It's all about the money.

i agree wholeheartedly.
Wait, wait, wait!

I thought this was all about the Simon.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Burning Man just got more expensive

Post by Simon of the Playa » Sat Jun 06, 2015 9:58 am

thats a different thread.
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Re: Burning Man just got more expensive

Post by GreyCoyote » Sat Jun 06, 2015 2:06 pm

If Larry would just finally admit he wants to be a religious figure, we could wrap this whole thing up. We can call BM a "religion", and our tickets are "donations for the church" and BM itself is just a "retreat" for the "faithful". Bingo. Done.

You seriouslythink the repubs would move to tax THAT and piss-off their power base? Not a chance.

Just sayin... :mrgreen:
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Post by BoyScoutGirl » Sat Jun 06, 2015 4:19 pm

GC, your idea amuses me a lot.

Now I am imagining a possible future Great Schism of the Church of the Hat.
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Re: Burning Man just got more expensive

Post by some seeing eye » Sat Jun 06, 2015 6:20 pm

I hope no one on this thread is suggesting that BM is any kind of a CULT? That would make you an outee!

(There are more expensive cults. Is BM trying to catch up on cult joining-sustaining fee$?)
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Re: Burning Man just got more expensive

Post by Elderberry » Sun Jun 07, 2015 9:35 am

GreyCoyote wrote:If Larry would just finally admit he wants to be a religious figure, we could wrap this whole thing up. We can call BM a "religion", and our tickets are "donations for the church" and BM itself is just a "retreat" for the "faithful". Bingo. Done.

You seriouslythink the repubs would move to tax THAT and piss-off their power base? Not a chance.

Just sayin... :mrgreen:
I'd rather see BM get that tax deduction than most of the organized religions. At least most burners practice what they preach.
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Re: Burning Man just got more expensive

Post by Aurelia » Sun Jun 07, 2015 1:51 pm

Good one !

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Re: Burning Man just got more expensive

Post by wraith » Mon Jun 08, 2015 1:32 am

So the fun question is how much noise you could get the congresscritters in Reno to make if BM decided to suspend the Burn for a year and start courting other BLM sites to bring it back.

It works for the capitalist corps, why not use the threat of re-locating to assist a nonprofit, eh? :mrgreen:

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Re: Burning Man just got more expensive

Post by GreyCoyote » Mon Jun 08, 2015 4:46 am

They need to build Yucca Mountain. Get it escavated and everything, right up to the point where its just a bunch of big, sturdy caverns with dirt floors. Then we strike the death-blow via the environmental lobby and bring it to a screeching halt. The project gets mothballed and sits there while the lawyers file crossing motions for 50 years.

Now you have a place to stick 75,000 burners every year. No wind. No rain. No bullshit taxes. And the feds can NOT argue about our "environmental impacts". ("...So you are telling me that a hole in a mountain that was designed to house nuclear waste for 5,000 years wont contain a bunch of Burners for a week? Oh puhleese...")

Pump in air. Pump out sewage and greywater. Its ALWAYS night time, and the party never stops. No condition alphas. Perimeter becomes non-existant and Gate doesnt even get sunburned. Lasers on the ceiling. Hushville becomes a separate cavern. Of course the Black Rock Solar guys are gonna be pissed.

Yeah. I know. I'll shut up now and take my meds... :mrgreen:
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Re: Burning Man just got more expensive

Post by Captain Goddammit » Mon Jun 08, 2015 5:39 am

I like it... except the "pump in air" part. The volume of air needed would mean a wind storm at all times. Other than that, it's entirely without fault of any kind...
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Post by FlyingMonkey » Mon Jun 08, 2015 8:28 am

Captain Goddammit wrote:I like it... except the "pump in air" part. The volume of air needed would mean a wind storm at all times. Other than that, it's entirely without fault of any kind...
I was Ok with 2 gal of water per day but if I have to pack in my own O2 then I may have to breath less. Being LNT would we have to pack out all our CO2?
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Post by GreyCoyote » Mon Jun 08, 2015 10:52 am

Capt: just because I'm nerdy that way, I wanted to see what it would take to ventilate 75,000 people.

For breathing purposes, just one 10 foot fan at 250,000 cfm would do it gloriously giving 3.33 cfm per person. Thats better than ASHRAE specs for airflow needed to prevent elevated CO2 levels. Just for fun, lets double that number out of caution. So two big-assed propeller fans. No problemo.

Of course all those flame effects and generators and BBQ's and stoves would need a bunch more. And may Dog have mercy if you threw a few hippies in there....

Back to hurricanes I guess! LOL!!! :mrgreen:
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Re: Burning Man just got more expensive

Post by Lonesomebri » Mon Jun 08, 2015 11:36 am

GreyCoyote wrote:They need to......
Now THIS ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ is the kind of cult I can get behind!

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Re: Burning Man just got more expensive

Post by melodiousdirge » Mon Jun 08, 2015 12:04 pm

GreyCoyote wrote:We can call BM a "religion", and our tickets are "donations for the church" and BM itself is just a "retreat" for the "faithful". Bingo. Done.
I know you're joking but this actually isn't really any more insane than some of America's other tax free religions. In fact it's considerably more sane than many.

I wonder if anyone has tried to start a church that worships fiat currency. "I can't give you this tax money, it's holy to me!".
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Post by Major Krash » Mon Jun 08, 2015 4:12 pm

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Re: Burning Man just got more expensive

Post by Aurelia » Mon Jun 08, 2015 4:18 pm

What on earth is the problem here...

Of course Burning Man IS a religion !

My religion from the start.

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