"Burning Man's Culture is in Danger"

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Simon of the Playa
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Re: "Burning Man's Culture is in Danger"

Postby Simon of the Playa » Sun Aug 20, 2017 5:52 am

traveller in time wrote:

"Radical inclusion in the extreme would be to tolerate anything.
The minimum to be tolerated will be a level of integrity closely followed by law.
A society can not sustain tolerating anyhting, a society has to exclude the intolerable."



we can assimilate dancers, fuck boys, capitalists, silicon valley, wall st., the blm, BLM, grover, Grover, furries, baldies, sexies, onsies, sadists, masochists, pacifists, fisters, misters, Mistresses and mostresses, Hosts and Hostesses, but


i do not see a nazi in our community as a good thing.


just my humble opinion...
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Re: "Burning Man's Culture is in Danger"

Postby lucky420 » Sun Aug 20, 2017 6:48 am

No, no nazis, not ever

Nope
Oh my god, it's HUGE!

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Re: "Burning Man's Culture is in Danger"

Postby Traveller in Time » Sun Aug 20, 2017 7:20 am

Nazi or nationalist or someone who thinks they belong to a superior group are intolerable toward (any) 'others'.

As I tried to conclude above:
Absolute inclusiveness is not sustainable. Intolerance has to be excluded as a solution.

Saying someone is wrong is neither a resolution nor acceptable.
Trying to change a way of thinking is futile.

    Being open, unshielded and (no religious concept intended) turning the other cheek
    Persisting in confrontating intolerant concepts as they will fail
    Show the way to burn bright
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Not expressing yourself but embracing all other expressions is The Challenge




...I can make anything I can imagine . . . I just can't make _some_ things happen



Have some Free will

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Re: "Burning Man's Culture is in Danger"

Postby Simon of the Playa » Sun Aug 20, 2017 7:54 am

Traveller in Time wrote:Nazi or nationalist or someone who thinks they belong to a superior group are intolerable toward (any) 'others'.

As I tried to conclude above:
Absolute inclusiveness is not sustainable. Intolerance has to be excluded as a solution.

Saying someone is wrong is neither a resolution nor acceptable.
Trying to change a way of thinking is futile.

    Being open, unshielded and (no religious concept intended) turning the other cheek
    Persisting in confrontating intolerant concepts as they will fail
    Show the way to burn bright




very well said.
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Re: "Burning Man's Culture is in Danger"

Postby Traveller in Time » Sun Aug 20, 2017 9:01 am

Simon of the Playa wrote:very well said.


Thank you :D
Dreaming a temporary world improving the default world



Not expressing yourself but embracing all other expressions is The Challenge




...I can make anything I can imagine . . . I just can't make _some_ things happen



Have some Free will

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Re: "Burning Man's Culture is in Danger"

Postby WileE13 » Wed Sep 13, 2017 8:07 am

National Socialists (Nazis) - Only around for a generation, killed less than 10 million people. Today they are seen as a fringe group that nobody really supports and your odds of even seeing are slim to none.
Communists - Around for hundreds of years, still out marching to this day, killed over 100 million people, destroyed entire nations, have been behind almost every war in the last century and they openly fly their flags in cities around the U.S daily. Furthermore, they have the support of not just wealthy donors but entire countries.

Apparently though, socialism is only scary to the BM crowd if you attach National to it. Otherwise, you can have an entire message board on eplaya.

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Re: "Burning Man's Culture is in Danger"

Postby Simon of the Playa » Fri Sep 15, 2017 11:12 am

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here ya go, chew on this red meat, mr. john bitch, i mean birch...


i mean, you know....cuz 10 miilion ain't shit...


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Re: "Burning Man's Culture is in Danger"

Postby 1durphul » Wed Sep 27, 2017 5:32 am

WileE13 wrote:Communists - Around for hundreds of years, still out marching to this day, killed over 100 million people, destroyed entire nations, have been behind almost every war in the last century and they openly fly their flags in cities around the U.S daily. Furthermore, they have the support of not just wealthy donors but entire countries.


You're confusing political systems (authoritarian dictatorships, democracy, monarchy) with economic systems (socialism, capitalism, communism, whatever.) It is entirely possible to have a democratic communism. You can mix and match each economic system with each political system. Communism didn't kill 100 million people, the dictators running the countries those 100 million people died in killed those people. Our government has violently ended (CIA lead assassinations, coups, etc...) any attempt to democratically elect of a communist leader anywhere it happened on the planet. Do you know why all communist dictatorships have failed so far? It's because all dictatorships fail eventually, regardless of whether they are capitalist, socialist, or communist.

WileE13 wrote:Apparently though, socialism is only scary to the BM crowd if you attach National to it. Otherwise, you can have an entire message board on eplaya.


The Nazi's despite their name, were not socialists, and in fact were harshly anti-communist. See, you have something in common with Nazi's, you both hate communism!
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Re: "Burning Man's Culture is in Danger"

Postby jcliff » Sun Dec 17, 2017 12:43 pm

I agree with everyone who's said that the toothpaste is already out of the tube. My suggestion is rooted in what I can do, and that's to get more people into positive volunteer experiences on playa.

Positive report that I can share from Lamplighters....2017 was one of our best years for volunteers in the last few years. We had a Village that was over 50% new this year, and we were sweating it! We were concerned about how we could indoctrinate so many newbies with our Lamplighter mission (light the playa without fail!) and our work ethic. Our Lamplighter Council did yeoman's work pre-event with getting our needs, expectations out to Vets and Noobs alike, and that made a noticeable difference for how we function on playa. During the Burn we had one longtime Vet, (Tinderfoot,) that took it upon himself to make our newbies feel like they were part of a special history and ceremony of Burning Man. I think that this welcoming in to our Lamplighter history and mission must translate to a sense of a larger Burner (Participant!) responsibility.

I think the answer for saving Burning Man culture in general is to have service camps, theme camps, music camps do their utmost best to share the Burning Man ethos through their relationships with their volunteers, campers and guests. The Org isn't going to be able to stem the tide of Burning Man tourists on its own. What the Org can do is demand responsibility, accountability, and adherence to our Principles from camp managers. I think the rest will have to come from the ground-level of Black Rock City veterans.

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Re: "Burning Man's Culture is in Danger"

Postby some seeing eye » Sun Dec 17, 2017 3:12 pm

jcliff wrote:I think the answer for saving Burning Man culture in general is to have service camps, theme camps, music camps do their utmost best to share the Burning Man ethos through their relationships with their volunteers, campers and guests.


Thanks! And agree.

One of our major debates on ePlaya is virgin camp (your experience) vs virgin solo self reliance.

I believe better orientation of virgins happens participating in a camp. Best is a in real life personal connection or connection made by several months of interaction-orientation before the event.

My issue is virgin return in future years.

How can a camp measure their success at orienting virgins to the culture so their virgins become year 2+?

(Ask not what the org can do for you. Ask not what the org can do for itself. Ask what the org can do for camps to help itself!)
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