Elon Musk & the Mission to Mars

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Re: Elon Musk & the Mission to Mars

Postby Token » Fri Oct 13, 2017 5:31 pm

Yep, solar winds strip the Martian atmosphere.

Btw, the Martian atmosphere would be considered a Medium Vacuum on the surface of Earth.

A medium vacuum would be typical for charging an AC system, making CRTs and tubes etc.

Maybe Musk can build a giant super-conducting ring between mars and the sun and run lots of current through it via solar sails or some such to shield mars and allow terraforming.

And huge mirrors over the poles to melt the dry ice, yeah, that too.

Doable, insanely expensive and not very practical.

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Re: Elon Musk & the Mission to Mars

Postby Avacadi » Fri Oct 27, 2017 9:41 pm

You're all right. Im wrong.
everythings a simulation. Or so Elon thinks.
Which is quite an interesting theory.

Who the fuck actually knows.
Who cares?

I'd just like to get to where I'm going in less than 30 minutes to be quite honest.
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Re: Elon Musk & the Mission to Mars

Postby BBadger » Sat Oct 28, 2017 12:25 am

I'm not trying to pick on Elon Musk, but after reading about that universe-is-a-simulation idea, the whole concept just feels like "not even wrong", navel-gazing-class pseudo-theory. The fact that some bozos even want to spend money to try and "break out" or something really just means they have too much money to waste on useless endeavors.

The idea (I won't even dignify it as a theory) is "not even wrong" because there is nothing that can be proven or disproven about the idea. You can't prove the existence of a simulation from within a simulation, and it has no outside impact on our lives or the world because that would be supernatural. So what is even the point? Imagine the Matrix movie where nobody has any interaction with the outside "real" reality, or any special powers, or anything else supernatural.

Musk's whole "probability" of being in a simulation and not "base reality" is also total nonsense as well. It's all based on an unfounded assertion that the trajectory of computing power supposedly implies that an "advanced species" will create simulated realities and that for some reason they'll put everyone in it and that because the universe has existed for a long time it must have already happened. None of this can even be proven or even reasoned about in terms of probabilities.

"Multiverses" are another type of not-even-wrong nonsense and I can't stand them either. Gee, the possibility of other universes of all different possibilities that can't even interact... So what exactly is the point to anyone in any given universe, assuming the others exist at all, which can't be proven anyway. Even if they exist, we're here and none of these "other universes" have any effect here.
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Re: Elon Musk & the Mission to Mars

Postby Avacadi » Mon Oct 30, 2017 6:04 pm

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Re: Elon Musk & the Mission to Mars

Postby Perpetual Burn » Fri Nov 03, 2017 2:49 pm

Even if we could terraform Mars into more Earth like conditions (laughable waste of money)...

Long term colonization of Mars will be impeded by a much bigger problem than cannot possibly be solved... Gravity.

Mars has approximately 38% of the surface gravity that Earth has... the affects on how all organisms from Earth react to such low gravitational pull will lead to absurdly complex differences/mutations that will more than likely make it impossible for our species to survive for long, unlikely able to even be able to procreate, a baby born on Mars will have some major deformities if it can live at all...

And even if we did find a way to nurture these species long enough to be able to adapt to life on Mars (which is bonkers levels of scientific capability we're not even remotely close to comprehending) we will undeniably create new Martian species that will eventually no longer resemble Earthlings in much of a way and no longer be able to function on Earth...

If Humans pulled it off... they would become Martians and no longer look like humans or be able to function on Earth.

Humans will never colonize Mars... at least not the ones who don't want to become a different species on another planet... and I doubt such weirdos will ever be able to afford it or have such currently unfathomable scientific capability.

The smart space explorers will be sending robots to planets until we find Goldie Locks.

Humans that live in space for extended periods of time will be in rotating ships that can recreate Earth's gravity.

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I ain't going to live in one of those contraptions...

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Re: Elon Musk & the Mission to Mars

Postby BBadger » Fri Nov 03, 2017 3:19 pm

Ehhh... I don't think that is really an issue.

There's nothing that says that we need to keep species in their pure Earth-form while on Mars (or anywhere else), or that Mars-born and adapted species require the capability to return and survive on Earth. It's not as if these have been a constraints in similar situations like species introduced to other new habitats.
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Re: Elon Musk & the Mission to Mars

Postby Perpetual Burn » Fri Nov 03, 2017 4:28 pm

No, nothing undeniably says we have to care about species we've created and sent to live on a planet which we deem boring, cold and inhospitable... but by objections of morality and compassion, that shit would definitely become an issue... I'll blame it on Trump. :wink:

And bringing species to other parts of Earth that have all evolved for billions of years together throughout the geological evolution of our planet... compared to taking them to another planet... not so similar.

Mars is rust... trips there will be fruitless Tourism.
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Re: Elon Musk & the Mission to Mars

Postby BBadger » Fri Nov 03, 2017 4:57 pm

It doesn't matter if the planets are dissimilar. I don't think any species carry sentimental feelings for, if even the awareness of, the planet or location where his or her predecessor genes came, except maybe Nazis or something. Animals will change and adapt as needed regardless of their introducers' moralizing. It may take many generations, but life adapts.
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Re: Elon Musk & the Mission to Mars

Postby Perpetual Burn » Fri Nov 03, 2017 5:46 pm

I testify myself that there is at least one member of a species that knowingly carries sentimental feelings and Love, admiration and appreciation of the planet it lives on... and National Socialism sucks. ;)

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