More BMORG hipocracy? SF gate article and lake damage

allanon2 · Post by **allanon2** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 2:08 pm

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f ... DISL41.DTL

In yet another biased piece about Burning Man, I quote:

"He brought a dune buggy last week to entertain the carpenters, who took
turns whipping around the desert roads and kicking up rocks at action-hero
speeds."

So...it's OK for the BMORG crews to tear up the playa. But find a *9*
year old picture of Rex driving his Neon on the playa, and it's a crime
against humanity that automatically makes him a hyprocrite?

so is it ok for BMORG to destroy the lake bed currently but you have a issue with something that i did 9 years ago?

just a FYI

www.stopburningman.org

Kinetic IV · Post by **Kinetic IV** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 2:36 pm

That article you cited is part of a series on the 20th Anniversary of the event so it's not biased, it's focused. It's not a pro / con piece of work so slamming them for that story is downright asinine.

Rex, you've tried for years to win converts over here and you fail time after time after time. Meanwhile Sempra Power is working around the clock to build a water table depleting, smog and mercury belching gigantic behemoth of a power plant next door to your unofficial Dodge Neon race course and you are still attacking the Burning Man folks over environmental issues? You can sit there and type up any little diatribe you want, the facts are clear cut that you are out of focus, not in touch with reality and are only concerned with promoting your private little agenda under the mask of environmentalism. In short you clearly meet Merriam Webster's definition of hypocrite. Here's a cite for ya. http://www.m-w.com

Main Entry: hyp·o·crite
Pronunciation: 'hi-p&-"krit
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English ypocrite, from Old French, from Late Latin hypocrita, from Greek hypokritEs actor, hypocrite, from hypokrinesthai
: a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion
- hypocrite adjective

HughMungus · Post by **HughMungus** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 5:03 pm

You know the playa floods every year, right?

Kinetic IV · Post by **Kinetic IV** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 6:23 pm

It sure does. But if you read up on Sempra they are trying to get their hands on every last water right they can find. And they will make an impact, the extent of which I'm not going to debate here as there are others far more knowledgable than me on the subject.

HughMungus · Post by **HughMungus** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 6:42 pm

Kinetic IV wrote:It sure does. But if you read up on Sempra they are trying to get their hands on every last water right they can find. And they will make an impact, the extent of which I'm not going to debate here as there are others far more knowledgable than me on the subject.

I was replying to the OP. Dune buggy tracks disappear each year with the flood.

Badger · Post by **Badger** » Tue Jul 05, 2005 1:20 am

But find a *9*
year old picture of Rex driving his Neon on the playa, and it's a crime
against humanity that automatically makes him a hyprocrite?

In my book it does - especially since your only fucking reason for posting to this board has been to hack at the event using seriously flawed assumptions, hearsay, faulty logic and shit science to buttress your arguments. Your personal hypocrisy is just frosting on the cake of shit you've baked for yourself.

Glad to see you're using a spell check though.

Lassen Forge · Post by **Lassen Forge** » Tue Jul 05, 2005 9:05 am

Badger wrote:
But find a *9*
year old picture of Rex driving his Neon on the playa, and it's a crime
against humanity that automatically makes him a hyprocrite?
In my book it does - especially since your only fucking reason for posting to this board has been to hack at the event using seriously flawed assumptions, hearsay, faulty logic and shit science to buttress your arguments. Your personal hypocrisy is just frosting on the cake of shit you've baked for yourself

I think that makes him a troll - starting shithouse stupid threads and seeing how many people he sucks into them. Judging by that, he seems to do pretty well. Which is pretty sad.

BBS

dragonfly Jafe · Post by **dragonfly Jafe** » Tue Jul 05, 2005 9:20 am

allanon2 wrote: <snip> So...it's OK for the BMORG crews to tear up the playa. But find a *9*
year old picture of Rex driving his Neon on the playa, and it's a crime
against humanity that automatically makes him a hyprocrite? <snip>

When you come here citing environmental reasons why Burningman is

EVIL, your past actions of similar nature become relevant.

If you want to make some points, explain the cartharsis that changed the "evil neon brogy driving Rex" into the "thoughtful champion for the environment" that Rex is now. I'm sure that would make some interesting reading...

Is the Playa dry enough for the Playa Serpents to start forming yet? If so, any reports on there size/location vis-a-vis last year?

Kinetic IV · Post by **Kinetic IV** » Tue Jul 05, 2005 9:40 am

I think that makes him a troll - starting shithouse stupid threads and seeing how many people he sucks into them. Judging by that, he seems to do pretty well. Which is pretty sad.

There are trolls, and then there are dangerous trolls. Many of us that get "sucked in" are quite familiar with the care and handling of online trolls. But the difference here is this character has gotten media time as in newspaper (Reno Gazette Journal), radio (NPR if I recall correctly) and maybe some TV face time but I can't confirm that. So with those facts in mind this troll can't be allowed to run unchecked. If he comes on here and is not called on his bullshit...if he's not presented with facts and cites to knock him off his pedestal he gets bold, seeks out the media and in this ratings driven world where controversy draws...he gets more media time. And that could hurt the event....keeping him in check is a dirty but unfortunately necessary thing.
</soapbox>

tigerlillie · Post by **tigerlillie** » Tue Jul 05, 2005 6:05 pm

by studying the posting pattern of Allanon2 posting history around the time frame of the event of Burningman, I would say, he really is just a sock puppet sent to create havoc, the pussy cat or two in the water, ruffle some feathers, just like many other sock puppets over the years, to start
an "anti burningman movement" over a "touchy subject that would hit the very core and essence of humanity...the environment..a natural resource such as water" and see what happens. Allanon, where have you been and what have you been up to since Oct 2004 to May of 2005? MIA?

allanon2 · Post by **allanon2** » Tue Jul 05, 2005 7:03 pm

tigerlillie wrote:by studying the posting pattern of Allanon2 posting history around the time frame of the event of Burningman, I would say, he really is just a sock puppet sent to create havoc, the pussy cat or two in the water, ruffle some feathers, just like many other sock puppets over the years, to start
an "anti burningman movement" over a "touchy subject that would hit the very core and essence of humanity...the environment..a natural resource such as water" and see what happens. Allanon, where have you been and what have you been up to since Oct 2004 to May of 2005? MIA?

as many peopel know I am a science teacher in San Jose. That explains why during the months you qoute I am busy. I teach, write grants, get grants, getting my masters in instructionl technology, doign native animal rescue in santa cruz county, building a high defination theature in one of my rooms, rockhoudning, doing SCA, teachign ballroom dance, plus more
durign the school year I am busy.
I am now off for the summer and can now focus some on my other pursuits of which is to inform the general public to hopefully think on their own. To think on their own they have to be abe to have access to both sides of a story otherwise you are just ignorant.

so i come here when BMORG gets in the news themselves and i make sure the other side gets heard.

I am most defintly not a sock their are about 20 of us that have my feeling that are willign to be public about the lakebed against BMORG. I have over 100 hundred other names and address that if i ever need to do a push I can call upon to help out. BLM gave a two year permit so it is not time to call upon those people to hopefully seek the "truth"

so good luck calling me a "sock" i am rex scates and no one woudl be willign to try to fit into my shoes as i sometimes put my foot in my mouth

but for the people that know me (of which most on EPLIYA do not) know i am a very caring person and dont lie.

so hopefully that explaisn your questions and yes I am interested to comtinue my measurements of the pliya serpents that I have been measuring for the last 4 years.

see yah aroudn rex

ibdave · Post by **ibdave** » Tue Jul 05, 2005 7:44 pm

Can someone PLEASE give this man a spell checker?? Please...

I don't want to hear it Rex... I know all about your spelling woes...

HughMungus · Post by **HughMungus** » Tue Jul 05, 2005 7:55 pm

allanon2 wrote:www.stopburningman.org

You know that thousands of emigrants also visited those hot springs and travelled across the playa, too, right? Are the springs still there? Is the desert life still there? Thanks for the pics. That looks like a nice side trip.

p.s. What types of life live on the actual playa? You left out some information.

mullethunter · Post by **mullethunter** » Tue Jul 05, 2005 8:02 pm

you have got to be kidding me!

out of all the environmental disasters happening in the world; polar ice caps melting, toxic waste being dumped in our fresh water and oceans, the desertification of arable land, rainforests being clearcut, etc, etc (i could go on and on), you choose fucking playa snakes as an issue that you spend this much time and energy on?!!!

how about working on a real environmental issue, that is actually doing some real damage to the earth

then i could have some respect for your "issues"

Lassen Forge · Post by **Lassen Forge** » Tue Jul 05, 2005 8:37 pm

[quote="ibdave"]Can someone PLEASE give this man a spell checker?? quote]

No joke... for a guy who's supposed to be a science teacher? THAT'S why I put my daughter through school elsewhere than the bay area.

If a teacher (who is supposed to have a degree) can't spell or write, what the hell kind of education can he (or she) give our kids?

And I'm supposed to trust someone like *that*???!!!??? Even IF he was credible (I won't get into my issues there) his atrocious spelling and questionable sentence formation makes me wonder what kind of a school would hire him? And what person reading his grant applications (or his masters thesis) would take him seriously.

Maybe he ought to re-take freshman HS english, bone up on his spelling, grammar, and composition, before going for that "masters in instructional technology"... Sorry, but when errors are *that* glaring, it's hard not to wonder...

Isotopia · Post by **Isotopia** » Wed Jul 06, 2005 12:42 am

No joke... for a guy who's supposed to be a science teacher?

I think he's mis-represented himself somewhat. I believe he might be equating being a substitute teacher for pre-schoolers as being on par with a high school biology/physics instructor.

Singing and clapping hands to 'Itsie Bitsy Spider' with 20 diapered 'students' does not make one an expert on arachnids.

Post by **AntiM** » Wed Jul 06, 2005 5:53 am

I'm amazed he got through the California Basic Skills Test all subs have to take to get hired by the state. Or perhaps he works for a private school which requires less credentials. As for the masters, well, depending on the institution, you can get one without even having regular teaching credentials; I know how much I value that particular bit of education.

rodent · Post by **rodent** » Wed Jul 06, 2005 8:55 am

allanon2 wrote: as many peopel know I am a science teacher in San Jose. That explains why during the months you qoute I am busy. I teach, write grants, get grants, getting my masters in instructionl technology, doign native animal rescue in santa cruz county, building a high defination theature in one of my rooms, rockhoudning, doing SCA, teachign ballroom dance, plus more
durign the school year I am busy.
I am now off for the summer and can now focus some on my other pursuits of which is to inform the general public to hopefully think on their own. To think on their own they have to be abe to have access to both sides of a story otherwise you are just ignorant.

so i come here when BMORG gets in the news themselves and i make sure the other side gets heard.

I am most defintly not a sock their are about 20 of us that have my feeling that are willign to be public about the lakebed against BMORG. I have over 100 hundred other names and address that if i ever need to do a push I can call upon to help out. BLM gave a two year permit so it is not time to call upon those people to hopefully seek the "truth"

so good luck calling me a "sock" i am rex scates and no one woudl be willign to try to fit into my shoes as i sometimes put my foot in my mouth but for the people that know me (of which most on EPLIYA do not) know i am a very caring person and dont lie.

so hopefully that explaisn your questions and yes I am interested to comtinue my measurements of the pliya serpents that I have been measuring for the last 4 years.

see yah aroudn rex

peopel, instructionl, doign, defination, theature, rockhoudning, teachign, durign, defintly, willign, woudl, willign, EPLIYA, dont, explaisn, comtinue, pliya, aroudn

Rex, do you want people to take you and your issues seriously? Then you need to take your posts seriously. PROOFREAD YOUR POSTS.

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rodent (putting the eek in geek)

rodent · Post by **rodent** » Wed Jul 06, 2005 9:02 am

allanon2 wrote:http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f ... DISL41.DTL

So...it's OK for the BMORG crews to tear up the playa.

so is it ok for BMORG to destroy the lake bed currently

Please show in the article where it states that the crew was driving ON the playa. The only line I can find is " took turns whipping around the desert roads" which might IMPLY that they were driving on the open playa but "kicking up rocks" would indicate that they were on preexisting, private roads since there are no rocks on the playa to kick up.

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allanon2 · Post by **allanon2** » Wed Jul 06, 2005 9:10 am

mullethunter wrote:you have got to be kidding me! out of all the environmental disasters happening in the world; polar ice caps melting, toxic waste being dumped in our fresh water and oceans, the desertification of arable land, rainforests being clearcut, etc, etc (i could go on and on), you choose fucking playa snakes as an issue that you spend this much time and energy on?!!!

how about working on a real environmental issue, that is actually doing some real damage to the earth then i could have some respect for your "issues"

two things in life anoy me.
1. people that look the other way when it is to their benefit. i.e. people that attend buringman and say they are adamit enviroemntalists but yet pee and dump waste on the pliya. It is not ok to do that at your house but its a desert so we can't hurt it.

2. beleive what someone says no matter what. some peopel vote 100% party line becuase there is no way they can beleive something the oposition says. i.e. hard core republicans and hard core liberals.
and now i might add to that list burning man attendees when it comes to what BMORG propaganda has to spread.

ttyl
allanon

joel the ornery · Post by **joel the ornery** » Wed Jul 06, 2005 9:11 am

sheesh!

rodent · Post by **rodent** » Wed Jul 06, 2005 9:13 am

allanon2 wrote: so good luck calling me a "sock"

Rex, noone has called you a sock in this thread. Stop doing that, it makes you look defensive and whiny.

(edit: My apologies, the reference was buried in a post, someone DID call you a sock puppet.)

yes I am interested to comtinue my measurements of the pliya serpents that I have been measuring for the last 4 years.

What methodology are you using to measure the playa serpents?

How are you identifying them?

How are you measuring their height? Width? Shape? Location?

If you have been measuring them for 4 years, how many expeditions have you organized? What dates have you taken measurements?

Is this a scientific study or are you only collecting anecdotal evidence?

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rodent (putting the eek in geek)

allanon2 · Post by **allanon2** » Wed Jul 06, 2005 9:24 am

yes I am interested to comtinue my measurements of the pliya serpents that I have been measuring for the last 4 years.

What methodology are you using to measure the playa serpents?

How are you identifying them?

How are you measuring their height? Width? Shape? Location?

If you have been measuring them for 4 years, how many expeditions have you organized? What dates have you taken measurements?

Is this a scientific study or are you only collecting anecdotal evidence?

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rodent (putting the eek in geek)[/quote]

rodent you know from past experience here that if i answer your question people liek badger will come by pull up qoutes from articles all over the world and make people feel that what i am saying is B.S.

that si one of the reasosn why when i post on bullitin boards i just type. I dont use a spell checker. yes i get letters backwards when i type my right and left hand type at differnt speeds. peopel can still read what i am typing do i ignore those people that try to say anything to bash me.

but the quetions you ask are good ones. I cna easily answer them but the big question si why should I? The only ones it truely matters to is BLM , media people, and maybe policiticans. I want to inform people what can be done. Maybe get them to think that not everything they hear is the truth and hopefulyl get peopel to think for themselves.

as a example f why i can't carry on logical conversations here is that n the last 3 days i have been.(all wrong) 1. workign at private school. 2. gettign a joke masters (sjsu) 3. being dumb (150ish IQ) 4. said i was not worthy of teachign people (i get 40+ letters a year from parents saying they apreciate that i quit the business world to teach kids 5. am a troll (i just want peopel to at least be open to both sides) 6. and a few others that i have forgotten.

I can at least say Rodent that you are open minded and that i do apreciate

rodent · Post by **rodent** » Wed Jul 06, 2005 9:26 am

allanon2 wrote: two things in life anoy me.
1. people that look the other way when it is to their benefit. i.e. people that attend buringman and say they are adamit enviroemntalists but yet pee and dump waste on the pliya. It is not ok to do that at your house but its a desert so we can't hurt it.

2. beleive what someone says no matter what. some peopel vote 100% party line becuase there is no way they can beleive something the oposition says. i.e. hard core republicans and hard core liberals.
and now i might add to that list burning man attendees when it comes to what BMORG propaganda has to spread.

adamit, enviroemntalists, pliya, beleive, peopel, becuase, beleive, oposition

Proofread your posts. Take the time. If you want people to take your message seriously you have to take your posts seriously.

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rodent (putting the eek in geek)

EvilDustBooger · Post by **EvilDustBooger** » Wed Jul 06, 2005 9:27 am

---------------------------Silence Is Golden----------------------------------

rodent · Post by **rodent** » Wed Jul 06, 2005 9:41 am

allanon2 wrote: rodent you know from past experience here that if i answer your question people liek badger will come by pull up qoutes from articles all over the world and make people feel that what i am saying is B.S.

Badger is a scientist. If you make a statement and someone has data that discounts or disproves your statement, that is debate. If you cannot refute the opposing data then you must admit that your premise is incorrect. You must understand this if you are teaching science. If all you do is complain that people are refuting your assumptions, then all you're doing is whining.

but the quetions you ask are good ones. I cna easily answer them but the big question si why should I? The only ones it truely matters to is BLM , media people, and maybe policiticans. I want to inform people what can be done. Maybe get them to think that not everything they hear is the truth and hopefulyl get peopel to think for themselves.

Then you are not engaging in discussion, you are spouting propaganda, a tactic that you have been trying to take BMORG to task for. This is a DISCUSSION BOARD, where people discuss things. This is one of the reasons people continue to slam you and your mission. You have said in the past that what you want is discussion yet you are not interested in substanative discussion.

If you truely wish for something positive to come from your efforts then you need to learn to ignore the people who are flame baiting you. Address reasonable aspects of any responses and gloss over petty snipes.

Now, if you're going to evade my questions then either you haven't actually been measuring playa serpents, you are not true interested in scientific debate and/or are just here to spout your own propaganda.

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allanon2 · Post by **allanon2** » Wed Jul 06, 2005 9:48 am

rodent wrote:
allanon2 wrote: rodent you know from past experience here that if i answer your question people liek badger will come by pull up qoutes from articles all over the world and make people feel that what i am saying is B.S.

Badger is a scientist. If you make a statement and someone has data that discounts or disproves your statement, that is debate. If you cannot refute the opposing data then you must admit that your premise is incorrect. You must understand this if you are teaching science. If all you do is complain that people are refuting your assumptions, then all you're doing is whining.

yet when i gave evidence refuting what badger said he did nothing? BLM agreed that frog pond is a wetland and chnegd the mileage requirments from the permit so that frog pond fell outside that meileage figure and did not have to deal with it.

but all peopel remeber is ohh badger wrote that long diatribe siting sources so he must be right. I have actualy studied wetlands, helped write the cal trams wetland manual, etc... so first hand information is not good but studies written by people out of context are better? that is why i will never be a lawyer. I hate arguing when i know that people will just rip little parts of what i am sayign apart and not look at the big picture. why harp on a fw words when what matters is the big picture?

I would not be som adamit if peopel were not so closed minded to what might possibly be thigns that are true but no one is willign to even possibly except them as a possible truth. does that even make sense?

ttyl
allanon

allanon2 · Post by **allanon2** » Wed Jul 06, 2005 9:52 am

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If you truely wish for something positive to come from your efforts then you need to learn to ignore the people who are flame baiting you. Address reasonable aspects of any responses and gloss over petty snipes.

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you even have resorted to bashing my spelling. so if i ignore all the people that as you say flame bating. then i can say that truthfully only 1-2 people here actualy deserve a good explanation as everyone seems to bash people that say things that coudl possibly upset their own little perfect world they have created. be open to new ideas and the world will be a much better place.

so rodent i am sorry to say if i agree with what you suggest i shoudl not respond to basically what anyoen asks as they are mean not nice people.

i will just let people decide for themselves

Kinetic IV · Post by **Kinetic IV** » Wed Jul 06, 2005 9:53 am

Cough, cough. More smoke and mirrors. Rex, could you turn the smoke machine off, it's getting hard to breathe in here.

Seriously if you care so much about the causes listed on the Stop site, you won't back off. You should have your positions thought out and be able to engage us point by point, issue by issue and at least keep things even. But every time someone calls you on your stuff you run like a scalded dog, or you crank up the virtual smoke machine. The reason why you get attacked so much is you make an inflammatory statement and lack the guts, the fire to back it up. If you backed your positions with facts, if you took Badger or anyone of us on head to head...yeah we may not agree with you when it's done, but you will have earned our respect. And your position will be considered which is what you claim you want. It's a far cry from what you have now with this group which is essentially nothing. Think about that before you respond back. If you're working on your masters I hope you've had someone instill the basics of critical thinking skills. Use them. We'll wait for your response.

rodent · Post by **rodent** » Wed Jul 06, 2005 10:49 am

Rex, your your spelling and grammer mistakes, faulty logic, singleminded adherance to internal propaganda, nitpicking, whining, ignorance, and lack of debate skills makes you look like a fool and is a discredit to your organization and your crusade.

Please continue to post. You are actually HELPING Burningman by doing so.

I. Am. Done.

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