Experiences in Center Camp

Tawnee Lynne · Post by **Tawnee Lynne** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 1:41 pm

I smiled, then missed the playa some more

Tawnee Lynne · Post by **Tawnee Lynne** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 1:42 pm

my point about staying on topic was to end the bitching about how I choose to respond... just an fyi...

Tawnee Lynne · Post by **Tawnee Lynne** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 1:42 pm

how do you put pictures directly on this forum?

stuart · Post by **stuart** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 1:43 pm

if you did not feel free to enter my camp, then you obviously missed the big white flag with 'hi!' painted on it. Oh, unlike center camp, we had a t-shirt stand.

Tawnee Lynne · Post by **Tawnee Lynne** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 1:43 pm

center camp had the gods that didn't need a tshirt

Ivy · Post by **Ivy** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 1:52 pm

not whine about center camp, when they also stated they didn't use center camp.

I'll ignore the "telling people what/what not to do" aspect and "stay on topic."

Most of the people in this thread whining about center camp chose not to use use it because they dislike it, for a variety of reasons. Therefore the whining. Most of which was not whining, but stating the reasons they disliked it. It seems perfectly logical to me.

It would be more illogical, me thinks, to whine about how much one dislikes it while continuing to patronize it.

Tawnee Lynne · Post by **Tawnee Lynne** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 1:55 pm

wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah

trance trance trance trance

these are the things that suck about burning man

Tawnee Lynne · Post by **Tawnee Lynne** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 1:58 pm

Respectfully IMO of course....

Zane5100 · Post by **Zane5100** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 2:01 pm

Tawnee Lynne wrote:wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah

trance trance trance trance

these are the things that suck about burning man

Ah, there's a lot more then just that.

jaywalker · Post by **jaywalker** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 2:04 pm

Tawnee Lynne wrote:When instructing fist burners please look at the example you set.

Yep, that spell check is working just dandy. Since when does someone need examples at Burning Man. It's about self-expression, self-reliance, self-exploration and just doing what the fuck you want, without sacrificing your own ethics and morals. Since when do things stay on topic on the e-playa. These should be continual parts of daily existence, not something dwelt on for a 10 day camping trip. It is just a fucking camping trip. It's a way to interact with a larger part of your community than normal camping trips generally allow. Then again, ours are kinda special in this regard. Center camp is just a giant spectator magnet, no different than Venice Beach. I didn't start going before there was a center camp, but from folks who've gone for years, there was always a sense of community without it. Center camp takes away from interactivity. People go to something they didn't have to create, buy so they don't have to rely on themselves or interact with others that put out the effort. It is the anithesis. The only thing it does is draw people to the ring which has some kick ass camps like BRCPO, and Zane's groovy little deal this year.

Tawnee Lynne wrote:IMO I am not judging others, condemning others, or belittling.

That's exactly what you've been doing. Stating you can check for typos when responding to a post. Changing your font size and colors. Telling people they're whining, or setting bad examples. When there can actually be a static definition of what a "burner" is, or this mystical "burning man spirit", I'll stick with the ticket's disclaimer of being responsible for myself as the ethos.

Tawnee Lynne wrote:Regardless of if I am new or old, I am still a part of this family, I still have a voice, and I am going to utilize it how I see fit. .

And like in any family, there are those pain in the ass cousins that don't have a filter or think their opinions are the right ones. That try to browbeat others their side, without providing a valid argument. If they need to volunteer for their ticket, they have a whole year to save up. Bad reason. It provides a people to chill. So do theme camps which people put time and energy to set up. I don't need to subsidize the cafe with my ticket. Volunteering should be altruisic, not based on a re-imbursement. But with the 4 phases of Larry now, it really doesn't matter. The event is in constant flux, the numbers have grown, and it changes every year.

I don't care if the cafe is there or not. I think it takes away from the experience.

Tawnee Lynne wrote:IMO I am not judging others, condemning others, or belittling.
<snip>
Please keep it on topic though, if that is possible for you.

Yep, no belittling on your part. Just had to re-iterate what I've seen these last 8 pages

jay
fucko

stuart · Post by **stuart** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 2:17 pm

Tawnee Lynne wrote:
IMO I am not judging others, condemning others, or belittling.

then Jay Wrote That's exactly what you've been doing.

not that I agree with what she is saying, but in tawnees defense, she is in good company on this forum with that behavior. Most of the salvos have a bit of a pattern to them that goes something like >miscellaneous complaint about tone< >complaint about pontificating and personal attacks< >parenthetical patroninzing attack<

It's really hard to find someone taking the high ground on this one. And as far as the old eplaya and friendliness is concerned, records show I was called a 'whiney little bitch' for being opposed to the ca. recall process. The more things same, the more they stay the change.

Tawnee Lynne · Post by **Tawnee Lynne** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 2:18 pm

ok, now that you have broken up my writing, and copied and pasted your gripes, are you finished?? You imput was duly noted. I am glad the only opinions you can muster are about me... I am glad I dominated the ideas you have gotten from this thread. Thank you for the attention...
Bows and rejects a call for an encore round....
Tawnee Lynne.
PS If you don't like something, why not try to avoid it. If you don't like center camp, go somewhere else. If you don't like the idea of commerce, gripe. However, remain open to the idea that others, such as I, might call you on it... Might get in your space to show you that the idea of burning man is being crushed when you can't give into the idea that not every aspect of it is going to be catering to you, others have needs or desires. Call me a newbie, think that what I have to say has no merit. I write it for me, not you. If I stand alone, I stand alone... but from the view I am getting, I see others standing next to me also... I can handle your opinions, I can handle Ivy's antagonism on whether or not I have the adequate sponorship or time served to be able to respond with confidence. It is all in a days work if you ask me. I can also handle you not liking me. So with that knowledge, maybe it can benefit you to know that no matter what your opinion of newbies versus seasoned burners... in the big scheme of things you are no better than I, nor the man that burned....
Tawnee Lynne
*****grabs zanes ass then runs off to hide behind an art car.... catch me if you can

Ivy · Post by **Ivy** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 2:22 pm

I am glad the only opinions you can muster are about me... I am glad I dominated the ideas you have gotten from this thread.

Guess you missed the entire section of jay's post where he talked about center camp.

If you don't like something, why not try to avoid it. If you don't like center camp, go somewhere else. If you don't like the idea of commerce, gripe.

This from the woman who just told people to quit whining.
How I am supposed to keep this all straight?

III · Post by **III** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 2:26 pm

a) sometimes *i'm* even jealous of myself.

b) the wabe sabe thing is the best argument i've heard yet. however, it's cheapened by the fact that the imperfection benifits those making the rules.

c) the "if you don't like it, you don't have to go there" argument does nothing to counter the claim that the mere existence of a commercial enterprise within brc taints the atmosphere of the entire city.

d) yeah - i got "it" after my first year too. now i don't, anymore.

Zane5100 · Post by **Zane5100** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 2:28 pm

Tawnee Lynne wrote:*****grabs zanes ass then runs off to hide behind an art car.... catch me if you can

You'll be back, to get some more sweet Zane meat...

Tawnee Lynne · Post by **Tawnee Lynne** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 2:33 pm

Ivy, I agree to disagree with you, please get off my cloud now.

jaywalker · Post by **jaywalker** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 2:52 pm

Tawnee Lynne wrote:I am glad the only opinions you can muster are about me...

Oh not true mon cherie...just in this thread.

Tawnee Lynne wrote:f you don't like the idea of commerce, gripe.

Oh, but for one telling me what burning man is, maybe you should re-read the original FAQ...here's a reminder
http://www.burningman.com/whatisburning ... at_is.html
General Information

Q. What is Burning Man?
A. Burning Man is an annual experiment in temporary community dedicated to radical self-expression and radical self-reliance.

Q. What can I buy once I get there?
A. Burning Man is a commerce-free event.

sure, they had to add exceptions now, but if you want to split hairs, there is the original mission statement.

Tawnee Lynne wrote:However, remain open to the idea that others, such as I, might call you on it... Might get in your space to show you that the idea of burning man is being crushed when you can't give into the idea that not every aspect of it is going to be catering to you, others have needs or desires.

That is exactly the point. I love when people do it. I can explain my arguments. I'm not caught up in the myth. When you can explain to me why the idea of burning man is being crushed, with a sustainable argument, 'll leave ya alone. I would hate to think of what it would be like having it catered to me. I cater to myself, and when others enjoy what I do, i'm happy. Same as when they don't. So what exactly have I crushed? Is this spirit of burning man so delicate in you? I ran around with a bunch of virgins, and loved the looks on their faces, watching them take it all in. Funny, they didn't understand why their was a cafe, and thought it detracted as well, without any of my input.

So you had a climatic experience. You are just as guilty of thinking it should cater to your whims and needs. Mine are satisfied by my friends and loved ones up there. I don't have a need to return. I probably will because it re-energizes what I try to do over the year (and severely tests my liver)

Tawnee Lynne wrote: Call me a newbie, think that what I have to say has no merit. I write it for me, not you. If I stand alone, I stand alone... but from the view I am getting, I see others standing next to me also... I can handle your opinions

Actually I never did. I thought you may be but never made the assumption. Your total tunnelvision to differing opinions, and accusations of ruining the spirit of burning man. It didn't start as a rave hippy love-fest. It's not the fucking rainbow gathering. I like your writing, kinda poetic from your podium, but also vaporous.

The whole argument is mute. The BORG has its head in the clouds about regionals, most citizenry doesn't waste their time here, and if people had the choice of the cafe or lower ticket prices, do you honestly think they would worry about a soy chai matte whatever. Hell no! They would prepare, or become very friendly with more of their neighbors, and have a real community spirit.

Tawnee Lynne wrote:I can also handle you not liking me. So with that knowledge, maybe it can benefit you to know that no matter what your opinion of newbies versus seasoned burners... in the big scheme of things you are no better than I, nor the man that burned....

Never said that. If you throw it out there, people are gonna run with it. Antagonism causes you to think, reason, and make sure you can back up what you say. I have no problems with newbies. They are a blast to watch when they "get it", not assume that they have "got it". Big difference there.

And, yeah I am no better than the man that burned. If you are referring to Half Dome's ashes placed inside the man, then you are correct, he was a much better man than I. If you are alluding to the wooden structure, then, I am no better than Smoke Daddy and the neon crew or the other builders. If you just mean the wood and nails, get your head out of your ass.

jay
"Keep on charging the enemy so long as there is life"-a fortune cookie

Tawnee Lynne · Post by **Tawnee Lynne** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 2:58 pm

well I don't feel antagonism towards any of you. It is an energy I choose not to possess. I am actually not in a bad mood, or at all upset, I laughed at most of the responses. The topic is center camp. Start a topic " Schooling Newbies" and gripe among yourselves, please. To pick apart my words is a futile effort to make yourselves feel better, hope it works. IMO I think the tread is getting a little monotonous at this point. Thanks for the imput and opinion, I will continue to write how I choose, and you can continue t pick it apart, and we can accomplish absolutely nothing, or you can accept that my opinions are different than yours and get over it. Whichever you choose, might I suggest you keep a smile on your face as you do it.
Tawnee Lynne

*****Points the bubble machine in the direction of the disgruntled campers and fires away.....*****

blyslv · Post by **blyslv** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 3:00 pm

stuart scanlon wrote:[And as far as the old eplaya and friendliness is concerned, records show I was called a 'whiney little bitch' for being opposed to the ca. recall process. The more things same, the more they stay the change.

Well it wasn't until I came here that I finally got called a "fuckwit." I was beginning to wonder who you had to blow to get that applied.

Zane5100 · Post by **Zane5100** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 3:02 pm

Tawnee Lynne wrote:The topic is center camp. Start a topic " Schooling Newbies" and gripe among yourselves, please.

LOL!!

That's funny, that is...

start a new topic...<snort>

jaywalker · Post by **jaywalker** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 3:12 pm

Tawnee Lynne wrote:IMO

That's pretty much what is always was with you. Not willing to see another side or version. Fixated that people are picking on a "newbie".

Funny thing was that no one here was disgruntled. I guess by not being able to explain your opinions, brushing off any argument, that you are in no way shallow, but a deeply fulfilled individual who's traveled the trail of Buddha, and has seen enlightenment. If this is how you are so versed in the true spirit, and the meaning of center camp to folks, can't wait to see you spread your wisdom on other topics.

And why is it that Trey and Precipitate are the only one's who call me names. I demand respect <snicker>.

I am a whinny fuckwit bitch too. Or just act like one. Or I'm just drunk.

dammit! I offered Blyslv some absinthe!

And I'm in a really good mood today!

yaj

blyslv · Post by **blyslv** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 3:15 pm

I spent a fair bit of time in center camp my first year. Then this year, despite spending more than twice as many days out there I only got there a few times. It was always enjoyable.

I went there once just after dawn and had a really nice yoga practice. I enjoyed the feeling of fellowship with other yogis and yoginis. As I was relaxing on a bench eating a snack, a very pretty young woman asked for a bite. I gave her the bar and she sat on my lap. She pointed out that she wasn't wearing underwear and the only thing I could think of was that I hoped she was more or less clean down there. Boy did I feel old. Then her boyfriend came up and sat on my other knee. We compared nipples and belly buttons, then he wandered off. The girl kissed me and I enjoyed it, but didn't want to go further down that road. But it was like a little flash of affirmation and gave me a reason for an enigmatic half smile for a good long time.

Another time we bumped into electrolux and that was big fun.

So I guess I'm not a BM puritan and I like the wabe sabe aspect of it (Booker you amaze on a pretty consistent basis...). I can understand why people would avopid the place as well.

Zane5100 · Post by **Zane5100** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 3:21 pm

jaywalker wrote:And why is it that Trey and Precipitate are the only one's who call me names. I demand respect <snicker>.

fucko

Kinetic · Post by **Kinetic** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 3:37 pm

Off Topic....but what is the deal with Absinthe? What's so special about it? Anyone care to enlighten me?

Maybe I was so out of it this year that I missed out on another cool thing...besides the e-playa meet & greet!

Zane5100 · Post by **Zane5100** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 3:40 pm

Kinetic wrote:Off Topic....but what is the deal with Absinthe? What's so special about it? Anyone care to enlighten me?

You can't get it in America legally.

If you want the "effect", drink a bottle of Ouzo No. 12. It tastes better too.

Kinetic wrote:Maybe I was so out of it this year that I missed out on another cool thing...besides the e-playa meet & greet!

bastard

blyslv · Post by **blyslv** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 3:43 pm

I went to an absinthe party and did a few shots. It was basically vodka with green stuff in it that made it taste bitter. Supposedly if you drink enough it will trance you out, but I didn't feel like drinking that much vodka so I gave it a pass.

The M&G was better then absinthe! (But the party was fun, even though I ripped my wedding dress).

tbone · Post by **tbone** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 3:43 pm

Kinetic wrote:Off Topic....but what is the deal with Absinthe? What's so special about it? Anyone care to enlighten me?

It's a very special drunk. Hard to explain, but it's sort of like watching yourself get drunk, knowing it's happening, but not being able (or willing) to do anything about it.

Sorry, that's the worst description ever. And the best I can do.
It's fun.

If you drink, and are offered some, go for it. If you don't drink skip it.

The home made stuff tastes like shit, and the real stuff is similar to anise/ouzo...

stuart · Post by **stuart** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 3:52 pm

I went to an absinthe party and did a few shots.

was this my brother bruce's absinthe progression party? Wound it's way by elfenland with daniel's karaoke cart? Maybe I met you and never knew it.

anyhow, he made all that shit. I can't stand the taste of it but then I don't like black licorice either. He tells me that to get the 'effect' you have acouple of shots, a little water, and then nothing else for 1-2 hours in order to 'get it'. Life is too short for me to wait around for a coupla hours to 'get it' with that stank taste in my mouth. Still, I had a shot out of brotherly love.

jaywalker · Post by **jaywalker** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 4:05 pm

fuck! if center camp can sell chai lattes for some people that need it, i think for the rest of us they need a bar!

if i walked in and saw an absinthe water fountiain, and some bottles of Un Emile, Logan Fils, or La Blanche, I think I would reconsider.

Nope.

Reduce my ticket, get rid of the cafe, so I can buy more booze to wander around with and pour into people's glasses.

Next year it's back to 12 liters of Absinthe. The spanish ones are heavily anise/licorice flavored. The Czech's are more bitter from lack of anise to mask the wormwood. They all try to say they are the real thing, and some have been distilling for decades.

It's nice to have little boutique distilleries contracting out for recipies based on some of the recipies of Pernod, and Pontilier. Nice balance of herbs.

The buzz and taste are nothing like homemade (unless you distill and not just macerate). It may have a higher percentage of alcohol than most things, but it's not a sloppy drunk. Hard to describe. You just know you're drunk, not right, yet it's not unpleasant, so you can enjoy it without being "that guy".

Flux · Post by **Flux** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 4:15 pm

"After the first glass, you see things as you wish they were. After the second, you see things as they are not. Finally you see things as they really are, and that is the most horrible thing in the world." -- Oscar Wilde

"What is there in absinthe that makes it a separate cult? ... Even in ruin and in degradation it remains a thing apart: its victims wear a ghastly aureole all their own, and in their peculiar hell yet gloat with a sinister perversion of pride that they are not as other men." -- Aleister Crowley [/img]

Experiences in Center Camp

Boy, did I feel old

A Couple of Absinthe Quotes