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[unjonharley]

A couple turned up in a tent near the bike repair..

They had payed (i believe) around $300 to join some theme camp.. Meals, water and.. The noise was to much for them.. So they moved the tent out to H.. Still they had to go get a meal or water or what ever they paid for.. WTF?

[Nipple]

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      1.  An employer shall pay 1 1/2 times an employee’s regular wage rate whenever an employee who receives compensation for employment at a rate less than 1 1/2 times the minimum rate prescribed pursuant to NRS 608.250 works:
      (a) More than 40 hours in any scheduled week of work; or
      (b) More than 8 hours in any workday unless by mutual agreement the employee works a scheduled 10 hours per day for 4 calendar days within any scheduled week of work.
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      (b) Outside buyers;
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A couple turned up in a tent near the bike repair..

They had payed (i believe) around $300 to join some theme camp.. Meals, water and.. The noise was to much for them.. So they moved the tent out to H.. Still they had to go get a meal or water or what ever they paid for.. WTF?

There was a lady complaining on one of the Facebook boards. Her camp meal plan was vegan and she wanted to buy a meal plan that wasn't from someone else...

Does no one bring food anymore?

[GreyCoyote]

Thinking out loud here: setup a faux PNP camp right directly across from a real one. Have certain campmates play the role of the Sherpas, and a few convincing folks in easy chairs playing the Campers. Campers get fanned by Sherpas, and a steady barrage of insults, abuse and theatricals.

"Hey you! Yeah you! WTF YOU DOIN? Get off MY road. I paid 17 large to have a view of the Man, and your hippie ass is in the way! What? Oh I think not!!! I'm calling Larry now... (Reaches for old-school rotary phone and goes-off on a rant)

You get the idea.

Mock them so perfectly they cant hide from themselves.

Another notion: send in the Architectural Review Committee (yo, Eric!!) to discuss the lack of color approvals and zoning violations.

[theCryptofishist]

(l) Employees of business enterprises having a gross sales volume of less than $250,000 per year;

If it's a seperate business from what he does the rest of the year, maybe. Although, it can be argued that since the people who work in the restaurant are also working there, and had to leave early in order to staff the restarant... 17,000 times 100 is more than that already...

[GreyCoyote]

The core test is the degree of control exerted by the person paying and who provides the tools:

Employee: shows up on a schedule, tools provided, employer controls and directs their daily activities. All time is dedicated between set hours to one client.

Contractor: shows up as needed or as his schedule and conditions permit, brings own tool, has a project but client delegates the details of the project to contractor. Free to have as many clients as he can service.

There is no real "permanance" test anymore. The oilfield companies killed that part a few years ago.

As Pink said, the PNP as described to us, should be issuing W-2s and not 1099s. If you called the IRS's Rewards For Rats hotline and made a buck or two off this asshat, I personally wouldnt shed a tear.

[MyDearFriend]

How is this:

The next morning the staff had a secret meeting in a yurt where no one else could see us. Every single person in there went around and told their feelings. Every person in this meeting was in tears...
Some girls were talking about how these paying “guests” would grab at them while they were working...
pete ended the meeting with telling everyone that we were all required to work for the rest of the night knowing that everyone there had already worked a solid 12 hours. He was sure to remind us that our contract said that we agreed to do whatever needed to be done, and that having time off was not a guarantee...
He then told me to immediately pack my things and that I was no longer allowed to drink the water or eat the food that I was promised would be provided. He did not hesitate to cut those things off from me

qualitatively different from this:

The Trafficking Protocol, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protocol_t ... d_Children
which now has 161 parties,[13] defines human trafficking as:
(a) [...] the recruitment, transportation, transfer, harbouring or receipt of persons, by means of threat or use of force or other forms of coercion, of abduction, of fraud, of deception, of the abuse of power or of a position of vulnerability or of the giving or receiving of payments or benefits to achieve the consent of a person having control over another person, for the purpose of exploitation. Exploitation shall include, at a minimum, the exploitation of the prostitution of others or other forms of sexual exploitation, forced labour or services, slavery or practices similar to slavery, servitude or the removal of organs;
(b) The consent of a victim of trafficking in persons to the intended exploitation set forth in subparagraph (a) of this article shall be irrelevant where any of the means set forth in subparagraph (a) have been used;

"Trafficking in persons" shall mean the recruitment, transportation, transfer, harbouring or receipt of persons, by means of the threat or use of force or other forms of coercion, of abduction, of fraud, of deception, of the abuse of power or of a position of vulnerability or of the giving or receiving of payments or benefits to achieve the consent of a person having control over another person, for the purpose of exploitation. Exploitation shall include, at a minimum, the exploitation of the prostitution of others or other forms of sexual exploitation, forced labour or services, slavery or practices similar to slavery, servitude or the removal of organs... The consent of a victim of trafficking in persons to the intended exploitation set forth [above] shall be irrelevant where any of the means set forth [above] have been used.

I feel sick, not because I care what the rich people do behind their wall of RVs (fuck those people, let them Burn as they please) but because I never suspected that there were people behind those walls being coerced and exploited. My "BEST BURN EVER" was spent ignoring vulnerable folk who needed my help.

So.

Yes to the Underground Railroad; I will post signs at the JOTS and on the street signs, telling any trafficked person to check open camps for the sign that says help is available. Let me draw up a logo (Man breaking his chains?) and I will mail a laminated sign to anybody who wants to post one up. Add an extra sleeping bag & a few gallons of water to your packing list, peeps, and see who we can rescue.

Oh and most def hit that feedback button to "suggest" that all "vendors" agree to abide by the UN Human Trafficking Protocol.

FREE THE SHERPAS

[theCryptofishist]

You're right it's not different...

Although, I doubt you're going to find someone willing to prosecute under those standards. (Nasty cynic that I am.) And the cops are still going to be more interested in imagenary drugs than real exploitation. I think that spreading the word beforehand could be key. If they are using the camp provided porto-potties, they wont see the signs... So alternate avenues should be explored as well.

[chuckularone]

Picket signs! Get the word out! I will volunteer to walk a couple hours in front of a PnP with a sign if it would help.

[MyDearFriend]

Yep, picket signs are a good idea, and I will be wearing a helmet.

[pink]

Sneak in while in the guise of getting a drink or Popsicle or whatnot & pass on the word that freedom is available...

'Pete' seems to fit the description of the chubby guy who was going apoplectic in a few of the descriptions of this camp.

I wonder what restaurant the guy owns?

[theCryptofishist]

(I'd like to see the brochure. I bet it was pretty slick.)

[maladroit]

I'll set a calendar reminder for August 1st next year to remember this plan. I don't think BMORG is going to shut down plug-n-plays next year...since this is all coming out now, there is plenty of time for it to blow over and most people will get tired of hearing about it.

However, the backlash (such as it is) will probably make the PnP camps circle the RVs a little tighter...avoid even more contact with the rest of the city. So, yeah, we'll need a number of ways to get the message to the sherpas, and some level of secrecy might be necessary.

BMORG's reaction (or lack thereof) to this interference will be a great indicator of the direction of the event. It would be a very bad sign if a well-known member of the Underplaya Railroad got told to leave.

[pink]

The website was taken down shortly after a few people who were prominently listed on the website as contributors complained that they had not given permission, nor did they know their names were being used to plug the camp. Screenshots were posted on reddit though.

[theCryptofishist]

The website was taken down shortly after a few people who were prominently listed on the website as contributors complained that they had not given permission, nor did they know their names were being used to plug the camp. Screenshots were posted on reddit though.

Crooked all around then...

[GreyCoyote]

Assuming my spectacles dont need cleaning, and the poster was being truthful, it seems the BMORG is in this up to its neck. If not by actual collusion with a PNP, then by a most permissive attitude when it comes to enforcement of their own.

Always best to reserve judgment until the facts are known, but this will DEFINITELY stay on my radar for a long time to come.

[Elorrum]

follow the drinking gourd.

[Simon of the Playa]

but this will DEFINITELY stay on my radar for a long time to come.

mine too...







and, karma has a way of dealing with people like this.



it's called a cosmic ass-fisting, with no metaphysical lube.

[Sandstorm]

I love Burning Man. I've had a lot of great experiences during the 6 burns that I've been to since I first started burning in '07. I comprehend that the more one burns and the more one pays attention to what happens in BRC and on eplaya and in the FB BM group the more one sees the lesser aspects of the burn, burner culture and BMORG. While I'm not "over" or "done" with BM and while I hope to go HOME at least one more time I have to admit that the cesspool that is the situation with PnP camps makes me long for the days before the ticket lottery fiasco when I knew so much less about the lesser aspects of BRC and BMORG.

[theCryptofishist]

but this will DEFINITELY stay on my radar for a long time to come.

mine too...







and, karma has a way of dealing with people like this.



it's called a cosmic ass-fisting, with no metaphysical lube.

This certainly doesn't seem like a Simon thing, and I don't know that it's a GreyCoyote thing, I'm not even sure that it's a Fishy thing, but, I think that those who are inclined could, and probably should, write/email the llc and the non-profit and tell them how you feel. Whatever I think of them, they do deserve to know that this is putting people off. I don't think we can start an effective boycott, and direct action on the playa (non-violent, effective direct action) is an important part of the tool box. I just think that if they have to hear about it now, from people who are articulate and angry and can make their feelings clear, then they might start changing their minds.

Just a thought.
Carry on.

[Just_Joe]

I think that those who are inclined could, and probably should, write/email the llc and the non-profit and tell them how you feel. Whatever I think of them, they do deserve to know that this is putting people off.

They are taking feedback here:
http://www.burningman.com/participate/f ... _2014.html

Community|Turnkey camping would be the subject.

[tattoogoddess]

I read that article earlier today and my stomach was in knots. I knew they had to work whole there but NO idea that many hours. Not to mention having to clean up shit. I hope they had hazmat clothing on.
If I make it out in 2015 I will bring my bull horn and do whatever I can to help and bring extra food, water and a tent.

[graidawg]

How is this:

Yes to the Underground Railroad; I will post signs at the JOTS and on the street signs, telling any trafficked person to check open camps for the sign that says help is available. Let me draw up a logo (Man breaking his chains?) and I will mail a laminated sign to anybody who wants to post one up. Add an extra sleeping bag & a few gallons of water to your packing list, peeps, and see who we can rescue.

Oh and most def hit that feedback button to "suggest" that all "vendors" agree to abide by the UN Human Trafficking Protocol.

FREE THE SHERPAS

WE ARE PIRATES. TAKE WHAT WE WANT, GIVE LIVES BACK.

actually next year we are going to be vikings but thats a minor point


So yea, lets all make plans to walk nto PnP camps and kidnap the staff (all of them) offer them places to stay - means to get home, food, water and tell the wankers that run them, Don't fuck with other peoples burn. We are a community and we look after our own.

[Doctor VonBacon]

I would be interested to hear the opinion of the state or federal Department of Labor. Did they have proper workman's comp coverage?

I think even the most mediocre labor attorney could eviscerate the camp management. Threatening to withhold food and water ??? That's the kind of stuff that gets a lawyer sexually aroused.

[Simon of the Playa]

you can run, but you cannnot hide....and you know who you are..."pete"...

[media]

[Elderberry]

I would be interested to hear the opinion of the state or federal Department of Labor. Did they have proper workman's comp coverage?

I think even the most mediocre labor attorney could eviscerate the camp management. Threatening to withhold food and water ??? That's the kind of stuff that gets a lawyer sexually aroused.

Yup! And it wouldn't even take an attorney; just a phone call to the Dept of Labor would do it.

[H.G.Crosby]

I would be interested to hear the opinion of the state or federal Department of Labor. Did they have proper workman's comp coverage?

I think even the most mediocre labor attorney could eviscerate the camp management. Threatening to withhold food and water ??? That's the kind of stuff that gets a lawyer sexually aroused.

sic em'...


no mercy.

[FIGJAM]

I don't know about Nevada, but in Arizona it is illegal to refuse a person a drink of water!!!

[delle]

Picket signs! Get the word out! I will volunteer to walk a couple hours in front of a PnP with a sign if it would help.

Mine will be a bold "Free the Endentured!!!" with big pic of bbadger's meatcake.

It speaks to my cowardly, pacifistic soul that I'd then have an "innocent out" should push come to shove.


Tho I'd best be prepared to provide a soaking glass lest anyone take it literally.

[some seeing eye]

Know everyone is having fun trashing, PnP, this camp and proposing plenty of culture jamming ideas. The first person sherpa report is a beautiful view of a f*up that is usually hidden and happy it is public. The short version of this story is that the money man, the man on the BM Board, hired his completely unqualified, and BM culture unqualified, buddy to do something difficult. It reads like many art project and camp dreams.

The question is what does a camp with wealthy members look like done well? Wealthy people have come and not made fools of themselves many times. Do they have a greater portion of experienced burners, fewer to no Sherpas around them? More cultural prep? A project they are doing? What about Chip Conley's camps? How does allowing or denying placement work when a camp with this much infrastructure has to commit to their suppliers far in advance? Hard to see how the org could make more money off PnP and exert more influence to keep them from f*n up.

BM is a display culture. That comes from the California culture in my theory. How does that work in BRC for wealthy people who have the resources to display any persona? For camps? Can anonymity work at the event if you yourself blast it out on your social media?

Maybe the answer for the BMORG board of directors to condense this thread down and send it to the PnPs as a description of how to fail? Is there a PnP guild to exchange best practices and a code of ethics? Discourage certain media angles?

(Although Segways are allowed as standing motorized vehicles, I don't see any compelling reason they should be allowed at all)

[Roberto Dobbisano]

since the page has flipped, a not so quick review of what transpired