Plug n plays running amuk

[H.G.Crosby]

I would be interested to hear the opinion of the state or federal Department of Labor. Did they have proper workman's comp coverage?

I think even the most mediocre labor attorney could eviscerate the camp management. Threatening to withhold food and water ??? That's the kind of stuff that gets a lawyer sexually aroused.

Yup! And it wouldn't even take an attorney; just a phone call to the Dept of Labor would do it.

i know a guy who knows a guy...

first thing monday morning he's getting a phone call...

[Elorrum]

Maybe they need to figure out the variance between what they do and what they say about Burning man being a salable commodity. It's turning into the rules from Animal Farm. If the unspoken guideline was to just be discreet, then this OP, and the "commercial entrance" sign brouhaha have proven that it's pretty much visible and noisy now. I'm disturbed by the concept of anyone camping in open or placed camps being employees of the camp, and paid "maids of merriment?" that's just an escort service isn't it?

[Simon of the Playa]

he will wear the cone of shame......Bark my Words.

[media]

[Roberto Dobbisano]

CASH and prizes....

[Jackass]

Glad to see some first hand stuff coming to light, and people opening their eyes. Instead of all this "It didn't bother me in the least, just look ahead and keep walking, I for one welcome them to come learn and take BM back with them." BS earlier posters were spouting. I was pretty certain that if I started a small fire and just blew on the coals for a little while, as people started to absorb info, new info would come forth.

Bringing these shamefully blatant acts to light, and painting a real picture from the inside out...

So, who else had friends get duped into building a for-profit plug n plays under false guise, sold ideas of grandeur, community and enlightenment?

I'm not always a jackass, just most of the time

[Simon of the Playa]

^this^

[some seeing eye]

Who got "duped into building a for-profit p̶l̶u̶g̶ ̶n̶ ̶p̶l̶a̶y̶s̶ BRC under false guise, sold ideas of grandeur, community and enlightenment"?

All of us.

It is the worldwide festival business plan started by BMORG.

[media]

[Simon of the Playa]

since it is a not for profit now, the board meeting minutes are supposed to be available to the public.




can't wait to peruse the next one.

[Eric]

since it is a not for profit now, the board meeting minutes are supposed to be available to the public.




can't wait to peruse the next one.

The Burning Man event is still For Profit, so you'll be waiting a long time for internal documents from them. The event is a wholly-owned subsidiary of the non-profit, but, not being a lawyer, I don't know how that affects the internal meetings of the for-profit subsidiary.

[Jackass]

Who got "duped into building a for-profit p̶l̶u̶g̶ ̶n̶ ̶p̶l̶a̶y̶s̶ BRC under false guise, sold ideas of grandeur, community and enlightenment"?

All of us.

It is the worldwide festival business plan started by BMORG.

That's been going on for ever, everybody knows that. That's the only way that they could pull this off in the early years. What's interesting is that I believe that there are more and more positions that bmorg now has to pay for. I'm sure DPW and other volunteer depts. citywide have started to demand pay for their efforts in light of them being sold out to facilitate more tourism. I have no problem with whatever the "founders" make or what they do with their profits, they invented this shit, this is their baby.

Allowing douchebag businessmen on the board and allowing them to fuck up this event, I've got a huge problem with. Allowing preferred burners to operate businesses on playa, providing them with placement, EA passes, and how they support ticket scalping, or did they get tickets in the directed sale as a theme camp (which they were not). Once again a HUGE PROBLEM, in my book.

Why did the legal team not slap the taste out of their mouth for using BM logos and images in promoting themselves and selling their PRODUCT? Was it not in 96 that Larry himself sent the devil packing as they blew up corporate headquarters of HELCO in protest of their "attempt" to buy Burning Man?

It amazing how many people still want to put up defense for these dildos, likely you've got your bellies full of Krug.

[maladroit]

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[GreyCoyote]

I wondered about that too.

[Jackass]

I'm still curious to hear more about these "satellite" camps where the Segway mounted VIP and his fluffer could go to get away from instagrams and facebook and enjoy that handie or skullie that they paid for. That sounds interesting, was it stocked with lube and toys, something refreshing, on the ceiling plasma display, or an on-site "helper" perhaps?

[lucky420]

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Wonders never cease...

[Jackass]

Posts are getting deleted in this thread

By whom, I wonder??

Doesn't that option expire to the poster after about a half hour or so?

[Eric]

Posts are getting deleted in this thread

By whom, I wonder??

Doesn't that option expire to the poster after about a half hour or so?

By me - and they would have been removed by another Moderator if they had been here first. The person who made the posts was PM'd, and informed of the reason. Since a lovely conspiracy theory will start to brew, I'll lay it out for you all:

Discussing the assholery of the Plug 'n Plays is fine, but making accusations against an individual person, via images, links to a website, or use of their name is harassment, plain and simple. They have not been accused of a crime in a court of law, the ePlaya is not the correct place to report or deal with a crime even if one has been reported. Just like we don't allow posts making accusations about ticket scalpers by name, or posts harassing specific Home Depot managers by name (which have been pulled in the past), or calling out the pitchforks after certain art-cars, we cannot allow harassment of any individual - regardless of whether or not they're a poster here. If you want to make those posts, do them on facebook where you hold the liability, not here.

TL:DR: The semi-vagueness of the long post is fine (that poster understands legal liability & changed names, even if they are transparent changes), responding with what are ASSUMED to be the real names of the people in that post is crossing the line into harassment.

[scruffyboy0001]

It isn't just the "plug-n-play" camps that treats staffers so badly;
BMORG itself is guilty as well. Once the fence is up and the gates open up there are DPW volunteers that are essentially "standing down" for the duration of the event. During this period of time most of those VOLUNTEERS do NOT get fed! There are only a certain number of staffers and volunteers that get to enjoy commissary privileges. And.... The individual that decides who gets to eat and who doesn't took delivery of a $13000.00 pimped out "golf cart" in 2011(with the $200 a pop optional wheel & tire set!) Granted, it was likely purchased with personal funds but that money woulda fed a LOT of volunteers! It was also expected that this PERSONAL vehicle would be maintained and serviced by DPW crew along with any number of PERSONALLY OWNED art cars. This person usually resides in one of the very first plug-n-play camps at Burning Man, "First Camp" for the duration. First Camp goes through more water and has more "pump-outs" performed during the event than several other camps combined. The mindset of BMORG is this; "There are probably hundreds of starry-eyed idiots that would be more than willing to take your place in a hot second if you don't like it!" It's far worse if you happen to be one of the very few drawing a paycheck from BMORG. YOU ARE REMINDED OF OF THIS LITTLE FACTOID EVERY SINGLE MOMENT OF EVERY SINGLE DAY! If you do happen to be one of the *fortunate* few getting paid, you are also told in no uncertain terms that you will ONLY get paid for 80 hours in a pay period. There have been exceptions to this but a "normal" workday is usually 10-12 hours and sometimes longer. I know all this because I did it... I went and drank the cool-aid! My end came as a result of politics and personalities. I eventually walked off and went to Burning Man!
My experience(s) with BMORG certainly aren't unique. The "culture" at the top still believes that free beer and a T-shirt are likely enough of a draw to keep the starry-eyed wannabes lining up in droves! The attitude reeks of "Well let them eat cake." And we all know how THAT particular chapter in history ended. Avarice, debauchery and greed seem to run rampant and there is an overwhelming sense of entitlement from those on high. I can't tell you the number of times I heard "DON'T YOU KNOW WHO I AM!" spoken to some poor underling. When it comes to necessary, PAID, skilled personnel, there is nothing in the way of a retention strategy it's either their way or the highway! And they are pissing off a lot of good, hard-working core staffers as a result. These are the people that do a lot of the grunt work that makes the event happen in the first place. There are certainly other tales that have run the gambit from violence to sexual assault. None of it really surprises me, I've seen a lot of it first hand.

Now a little balance in here; DPW ROCKS! This bunch of people are some of the most wicked-smart, hardest working humans I have ever had the privilege of working with! I am proud to have been one of them even if it was for just a short time.

This as a cautionary tale; If someone offers you a gig at Burning Man? Take it at your own risk and have an exit plan when things go south!

[H.G.Crosby]

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[Simon of the Playa]

Posts are getting deleted in this thread

By whom, I wonder??

Doesn't that option expire to the poster after about a half hour or so?

By me - and they would have been removed by another Moderator if they had been here first. The person who made the posts was PM'd, and informed of the reason. Since a lovely conspiracy theory will start to brew, I'll lay it out for you all:

Discussing the assholery of the Plug 'n Plays is fine, but making accusations against an individual person, via images, links to a website, or use of their name is harassment, plain and simple. They have not been accused of a crime in a court of law, the ePlaya is not the correct place to report or deal with a crime even if one has been reported. Just like we don't allow posts making accusations about ticket scalpers by name, or posts harassing specific Home Depot managers by name (which have been pulled in the past), or calling out the pitchforks after certain art-cars, we cannot allow harassment of any individual - regardless of whether or not they're a poster here. If you want to make those posts, do them on facebook where you hold the liability, not here.

TL:DR: The semi-vagueness of the long post is fine (that poster understands legal liability & changed names, even if they are transparent changes), responding with what are ASSUMED to be the real names of the people in that post is crossing the line into harassment.

there are plenty of other venues for my work.



and i will call anyone i want to an asshole....It's America.

[H.G.Crosby]

paid "maids of merriment?" that's just an escort service isn't it?

fortunately for the camp owners, this practice is actually legal in nevada...

[strange love]

...
http://burners.me/2014/09/05/plug-n-pla ... e-pyramid/

[666isMONEY]

paid "maids of merriment?" that's just an escort service isn't it?

fortunately for the camp owners, this practice is actually legal in nevada...

There are no licensed brothels in Pershing County. If they pay for the service where it's legal and receive it elsewhere?

**grabs popcorn**

[Kishri]

paid "maids of merriment?" that's just an escort service isn't it?

fortunately for the camp owners, this practice is actually legal in nevada...

In Washoe and Pershing County it's not.

[lucky420]

...
http://burners.me/2014/09/05/plug-n-pla ... e-pyramid/

Thanks for the link. This is fucking gross

[tattoogoddess]

paid "maids of merriment?" that's just an escort service isn't it?

fortunately for the camp owners, this practice is actually legal in nevada...

There are no licensed brothels in Pershing County. If they pay for the service where it's legal and receive it elsewhere?

**grabs popcorn**

Kinda wondering that my self.

If not "purchased" at a legal house then these owners of the camp are breaking a few laws, prostitution, pimping (far worse punishment then just prostitution) and depending where these girls are from laws regarding sexy crimes crossing state lines. There is ALOT of legal trouble in that alone.

[Roberto Dobbisano]

um, TG....pot...kettle...pitch fucking black....

don't make me pull up the post because i will.

[theCryptofishist]

*sigh*
Simon, you know better. And you're smart enough to work around the restrictions and find a more productive work around that doesn't involve getting the board in trouble. (Or maybe you're not. My brains don't seem to help me in the least with people problems...)
I didn't realize that DPW is idled, unpaid, and unfed during the event. I don't know what's fair, although maybe some of them could work as paid box office people--killing two birds with one stone is always an effective business strategy. Since many of them don't live in Reno, that's a no go. However, I really don't know what to say about it. Really, really don't know.




*sigh*

[H.G.Crosby]

if there is a cancer, it must be treated as such....and swiftly.





otherwise the body dies.

[theCryptofishist]

And vigilantism is a cancer.

[Roberto Dobbisano]

indeed.


i have no problem with the bunch of apples....i love them




it's the rotten one that gets thrown away.


simple.


problem solved.