Don't come to the Thunderdome unless you are willing to pay

GuinivereElise · Post by **GuinivereElise** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 4:19 pm

Nightterror wrote:Geek - are you bipolar or what

you're calling names and swearing is amusing.

so is yours.

Nightterror wrote:I not a fucking sock. I am not trying to stir up anything. I don't give a flying fuck about your dribble of a grade school election. And it is my understanding that Burningman does not run on the fucking barter system.

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 4:20 pm

Can we get to the important question of what burning man is about?

helitack · Post by **helitack** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 4:23 pm

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Bob · Post by **Bob** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 4:23 pm

Tuborg enter, one man leaves!

zorro sings · Post by **zorro sings** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 4:25 pm

"3playa is looking better every day ... I am surprised at the number of babies in here."
I hate to argue with someone who posts for a living but perhaps we need more "babies"here.When someone asks what is the attraction of Burning Man my first answer is that there are literally millions of dollars and man hours spent for no more reward than sharing with others.Call me naive,call me a baby,but I would be sickened to even suggest someone"barter"me something in return for the hospitality and entertainment I provide at my theme camp.I would hope that most camps would feel the same way.If not perhaps the Project is not the unique vehicle I have admired.

GuinivereElise · Post by **GuinivereElise** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 4:36 pm

Zorro:

I like the fact that there are lots of new posters here...

HOWEVER,

there is a constructive way to post, and there is a non-constructive way to post. It smacks of inexperience to post in an inflammatory and decidedly Trollish manner, as is being experienced on this thread.

To offer constructive criticm and discuss opinions is one thing, but simply stirring shit is another. You're upset about Thuderdome's current policies? Okay then. What are YOU going to do about it? Offer solutions. Someone suggested building your own thunderdome, and not charging. sounds great! start planning!

I think Geekster's comment was about the maturity level of the discussion happening, and, frankly, I agree with him.

show me problems, and then show me solutions.

GuinivereElise · Post by **GuinivereElise** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 4:37 pm

If not perhaps the Project is not the unique vehicle I have admired.

it is what you make it, darling.

Nightterror · Post by **Nightterror** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 4:41 pm

I prepare taxes all day in the real world and advise people on how to save their money.

I go to burningman to get away from all that. I contribute art that my collegues would laugh at. I share my real self (not physically) with everyone I meet at burningman. I share my food, my booze, my tent, (not my wife - had an offer once - didn't like it - but that's cool) I wear what I want when I want to. I make new friends every year. Politics in the real world do not allow for such depravity. I don't barter. It is not a part of my Burningman experience.

Bob · Post by **Bob** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 4:41 pm

GuinivereElise wrote:there is a constructive way to post, and there is a non-constructive way to post. It smacks of inexperience to post in an inflammatory and decidedly Trollish manner, as is being experienced on this thread.

How does one post co-rectally?

Nightterror · Post by **Nightterror** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 4:45 pm

We are sooooooooo lucky that the great GuinivereElise is here to tell us how we should and shouldn't be acting or posting or whatever the fuck else we should be doing it.

Like we need Nanny 911 - oh G please tell me how to wipe my ass. I think you are the only one who can do it right.

GuinivereElise · Post by **GuinivereElise** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 4:45 pm

Bob wrote:
GuinivereElise wrote:there is a constructive way to post, and there is a non-constructive way to post. It smacks of inexperience to post in an inflammatory and decidedly Trollish manner, as is being experienced on this thread.
How does one post co-rectally?

(note that I didn't say a 'correct' way and an 'incorrect' way, but rather constructive and non-constructive. That said:)

why, by following your gracious example, my dear one.

GuinivereElise · Post by **GuinivereElise** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 4:48 pm

Nightterror wrote:We are sooooooooo lucky that the great GuinivereElise is here to tell us how we should and shouldn't be acting or posting or whatever the fuck else we should be doing it.

Like we need Nanny 911 - oh G please tell me how to wipe my ass. I think you are the only one who can do it right.

excuse me, for one moment.

neither the words SHOULD nor SHOULDN'T ever left my little fingertips.

Nightterror · Post by **Nightterror** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 4:50 pm

You win - I quit.

stuart · Post by **stuart** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 4:53 pm

should imparts a moral imperative

nobody likes a quitter

Bob · Post by **Bob** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 4:53 pm

Nightterror wrote:You win - I quit.

Tuborg enter, one man leaves!

GuinivereElise · Post by **GuinivereElise** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 4:54 pm

stuart wrote:should imparts a moral imperative

exactly, which is precisely why I didn't use it.

helitack · Post by **helitack** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 4:56 pm

Nightterror wrote:You win - I quit.

Later tater

Sensei · Post by **Sensei** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 5:14 pm

If you kids keep playin' rough, someone's gonna start to cry. Ha! What this catfight needs is more intensity. Watch and learn, kiddies.

Well, Bob, if that really is your name, I hear you're nuthin' but a damn neo-hippie republican! Care to prove otherwise? Hmmm? I thought not...

(Hey, this is fun! I've been missing out!)

Kristines · Post by **Kristines** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 5:15 pm

Nightterror wrote:You win - I quit.

Nighty: As one who has been especially -- highly -- inflamed by some things said on here, I have already come to the conclusion that if I am not defensive, things are much more interesting and fun.

Which doesn't mean I can't tell someone to fuck off if I want, and I may want to, but I really don't want that to be my "personna" and you don't either ... really.

Kristine, who is giving her own assessment of the situation, sharing her personal experience and is not trying to tell you what or how to do anything.

Bob · Post by **Bob** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 5:20 pm

I'm not wearing pants.

Hope this helps.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 5:26 pm

GuinivereElise wrote:
Bob wrote:
GuinivereElise wrote:there is a constructive way to post, and there is a non-constructive way to post. It smacks of inexperience to post in an inflammatory and decidedly Trollish manner, as is being experienced on this thread.
How does one post co-rectally?
(note that I didn't say a 'correct' way and an 'incorrect' way, but rather constructive and non-constructive. That said:)

why, by following your gracious example, my dear one.

Sorry G.E. I'm sure you are a nice little person and all, but, sometimes your posts are not very constructive and rather destructive.
Not saying that it's a good thing or bad,
it's just not prooving too much, butt.....well, it's not important.

Man I gotta tell ya your above post sure does make you look like you are full of yourself..

Ok.....incomming......I know people are gonna want to jump in my shit for telling the truth.

Bob · Post by **Bob** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 5:27 pm

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 5:29 pm

Ok Bob,

That was the funniest one yet. 10x better than the last. I'm saving that.

stuart · Post by **stuart** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 5:31 pm

my way is the best way

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 5:34 pm

I was gonna say Suart always gets it but after looking at that avatar.....

GuinivereElise · Post by **GuinivereElise** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 5:50 pm

okay, DVD. no jumping, but a few questions.

Is there anything in that post that tells people what they should or shouldn't do?

I specifically didn't use words like that.

Is there anything in that post that proclaims that my opinion is the only right one, or is, for that matter, right at all?

I tried to post it as strictly my opinion, which can have no objective 'right' or 'wrong'.

are you in argument that there are more constructive ways to express onesself than others?

I'd love to hear your opinion...

finally, is it just because I expressed myself using a more fluid verbiage than you're used to? specifically, are you sayin that it sounds 'full of myself' because I have a pretty decent grasp on the english language and I choose to use it?

we can discuss the finer points of my self-confidence and self-esteem further in a more appropriate place, if you like...

furthermore, while I don't mind discussing aforementioned self-confidence, if me being full of myself is the crux of your complaint of me, then I don't really see the need to be all too concerned.

Ranger Genius · Post by **Ranger Genius** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 5:52 pm

NightTerror (like me) is not in a position to solve the 'problem' s/he percieved at the thunderdome. That doesn't mean there isn't a problem (Don't know myself, always thought the whole venture to be puerile and idiotic, and have thus avoided it altogether).

The point is, the first step to solving a problem as a community is to GET PISSED OFF and to say something about it to others. That's what night terror is doing, getting pissed off and saying something. S/he feels (I think) like I do that bartering is commerce just as much as vending. It's not a no-currency event, it commerce-free one. Bartering is primitive commerce, but commerce nonetheless.

I don't know anyone who could afford to build something on the scale of thunderdome, or even close. It's become an institution and I'm sure it would be dearly missed if ti were gone, but if those who do build it and bring it feel that we are therefore somehow obliged to them, is it really a gift? If they're expecting something in return, aren't they selling it to us? I understand that they need to limit the number of people who enter, but charging a 'fee' of booze is contrary to the spirit of a gift economy, isn't it?

GE wrote:What are YOU going to do about it? Offer solutions. Someone suggested building your own thunderdome, and not charging. sounds great! start planning!

Demanding solutions from someone not in a position to implement them is a cop-out; why not actually discuss the issue at hand? I feel it is a pertinent one: bartering has become a tradition to some people, and it has no place in a commerce-free zone. If TD is truly a gift, then they shouldn't ask for anything in return. If it is not, then it's out of place.

Bob · Post by **Bob** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 5:52 pm

Yeah, right... bunringman is all about YOU.

Bob · Post by **Bob** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 5:54 pm

...and YOUR fucked-up opinions.

stuart · Post by **stuart** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 5:58 pm

the first step to solving a problem as a community is to GET PISSED OFF

that would require that the community actually be angry about the situation first

Don't come to the Thunderdome unless you are willing to pay

Nighty night, Nighty