This was my last burn

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I'm gonna wait a year then come back in 2008

Post by munney » Sun Sep 09, 2007 11:23 pm

:lol: I think I will take a year off til 2008 then do it again, Despite..... :lol:
I guess it's up to us to inform them otherwise or....Get BMORG on the ball and clean up the act across the board. Get SOME kind of DIFFERENT mesage out there.
As a person, :lol: participant :lol: and :lol: Volunteer of countless hours durring my 5 trips to BRC.... :lol:
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Post by pinemom » Mon Sep 10, 2007 8:19 am

although maybe because I only have 2.5(man burned 2x's) burns under my belt...I may not have a playa rock to stand on...
But I dont exactly know how one person can justify the next burn compared to another burn...to me it seems that each burn is so COMPLETELY different then another that there would be absolutely no comparison?

That almost seems like trying to compare your love for your children...

Like you love them both, equally but differently, you love the art of one and the mathmatical mind of the other....

You just cant compare nor measure....

Each yr is different, at least for myself. And i would have to say, if it got to be the same thing every year, I'd definately change camps/people/friends/location, whatever it took to ensure that the next experience would be just that ...an experience!
We Do a bar camp, but both years it has been some of same people some newbies, but the 2 yrs Ive been were so completely differnt from each other I couldnt tell you which was better...because they were both great in their own ways!
ok maybe this one was pretty fricken awesome..I got married...for real!
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Post by Brandy » Mon Sep 10, 2007 12:46 pm

this was my sixth Burn, and I will say it did feel different than other years. of course, you can NEVER expect one year to be the same as another.
i noticed a lot of people that didn't take care of themselves. many people without lights, and when offered some, declined. i tried to give out other gifts, and at times, were turned down like i was offering to punch them in the face. i saw quite a few people being direspectful to others' space and bodies, and that saddened me as well. seeing the Man of fire on monday made me shake my head in disgust--even if it was an 'act of art'. this was the first time i even considered not going next year. i will say, however, that i did not walk away unfulfilled. how can you go to Burning Man and not see amazing beauty around you? i had a great day at the pink mammoth, having drinks and hanging with friends. jogging the critical tits parade was fun and i enjoyed making people laugh. the rainbow after the crazy dust storm on friday will not leave my memories any time soon. the crude awakening display was one of the most amazing things i have ever seen there---or anywhere. the Temple burn just made my heart melt.
Burning Man is getting bigger. things are changing, for sure. at this point, i go and take back as much joy as i can. i say, even if the year is kinda crappy, it is still the best week of my year. this year was weird for me, but what i took back with me is priceless.

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Post by skygod » Mon Sep 10, 2007 6:07 pm

Brandy wrote: i saw quite a few people being direspectful to others' space and bodies, and that saddened me as well. seeing the Man of fire on monday made me shake my head in disgust--.
That is today's reality. When you go to BM you can take the pulse of the world.
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it was special

Post by porterico » Mon Sep 10, 2007 6:43 pm

if you don't like the changes that have happened over the years, if you don't think it is as cool as it used to be, if the cons outweigh the pros... why blame it on other people...? I mean for god fucking sakes it is burning man... anything is possible, and if your dream is so small that you can't make BRC what you want it to be... then yes I would agree that you are in the wrong place... (at least for now)

Maybe after I go for 6 years I'll be saying the same thing you are now,

I think the things you are saying have a lot to do with expectations... plain and simple... don't have em and you won't be disapointed.

Watch a plant grow sometime rather than tripping on shrooms at burning man if you are looking for some kind of epiphany... I was in a full trance a couple different nights at BM this year without any drugs. I created spontaneous art and positive experiences for other people... I had a good fucking time...

As far as the negative shit you have to say about godesses... wake up dude... patriarchy has been in full effect for thousands of years and you want to bitch about some empowered women... you are the little bitch in the tutu... moron. If you don't like being awake... yes please go back to sleep

I'm leaving this thread and never coming back... I triple dog swear. whaaaaaa

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Yes, But...

Post by ricksca » Tue Sep 11, 2007 12:15 am

This was my first burn. But, at 62 I am a veteran of the Summer of Love, Haight, etc, so Freakdom is not new to me. I loved BRC, and yet even with no other burn to compare it to, I felt some (much) of what you describe.

But I would like to offer a challenge (to myself as much as you). Instead of not returning, how about coming up with creative ideas to facilitate the kind of connection you (we) seek?

I found myself often thinking while I was there, "what kind of installation or performance art could we create to cut through the Playa induced ADD syndrome.

I'd really like to find a group of people who would like to work on this. *rick* at *warmatlast* dot com
If we do not change the direction we are going...we are likely to end up where we are headed.

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Rick Rocks

Post by munney » Tue Sep 11, 2007 1:53 am

Rick,

:cry: You are preaching to the Mosque`:roll: and I love it. :cry: :lol:

:cry: :lol: Great Attitude, and way to put it into words, :cry: :lol:

:oops: Make the change Happen. :oops:

:cry: :lol: If you Build it They will Come :cry: :lol: (hopefully multiple X's) :cry: :lol:
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Post by Ugly Dougly » Tue Sep 11, 2007 11:19 am

The hope is with regionals.

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Post by Batmoose » Tue Sep 11, 2007 12:07 pm

Well, I live in Reno, and the only regional burn here is.....well......Burning Man itself.

This was my first burn also, and being a fairly tuned-in being, I picked up on some energy that I did not consider positive or uplifting. My older brother who was the reason for my going had told me enough over the years to know at least a little of what to "expect".

I could see a lot of "this sucks compared to such and such a year..." and I think that that helped contribute to the vibe.

And yes, there were too many unprepared Yahoos, including my own camp mates.

I am proud to say that for my wife and I at least, we didn't MOOP, had plenty of H2o and food, and did as much of our homework going into the event as we could. I gave a helping hand where I could, lit myself well at night, and had a great time meeting new people. If more newcomers had this attitude, I believe much of the stupidity could be curbed.

Now, my experience was porked by my own camp, and some of that was my fault for being willing to put up with it, but aside from the camp, my first burn was magnificent, even though it was cut way short.

I came away from my first time with an overwhelming need to DO MORE next time. I was lucky enough to feel the transition between a spectator and a contributer on my 3rd night, when I finally had myself together enough to put on my mask, all my el-wire, and my Batmoose shirt and all of a sudden, I was getting big smiles from people, and strangers would come up and talk to me. That same night I was able to take a photo of my Brother whom I lost this year to the Temple, and that was it's own experience in itself.

I felt the change that night, and it's only now, weeks later that I am really getting a grasp on just how much fun there is to be had out there. My wife and I are already getting our plan in gear and trying to gather like-minded people around us for next year.

I, being a total nOOb, could FEEL a sense of what the event used to be, versus what it was this year.

But I do not feel like it should be detrimental to the experience as a whole.

And I still met great people, had a bag of fun on Titman's artcar, had some really good hugs, and shared with a great many happy faces. {my thanks to the Smooch Dome!}

It felt good. It felt really, really good to share and to open myself to strangers [not my strong point] and to let go of a bunch of my Mental Baggage.

When we return next year, My main problem will be how to limit my fun so that I do not die of heat stroke.
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Post by skygod » Tue Sep 11, 2007 6:10 pm

It's like those flocks of little birds. No one is telling then what to do, but all of a sudden they are all flying in the same direction.
People complain burning man is getting too big, too popular, but I think it's a good thing.
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Post by Petal of the Playa » Tue Sep 11, 2007 7:35 pm

Sounds like another playan didn't get laid at the event this year!

NO clitoris for you, Boo Hoo!

I hope that comment wasn't meant for me. I don't/didn't go to Burning Man to get laid - Burning Man is not about getting laid for me. I get plenty screwed in the default world....
It only seems kinky the first time...

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Post by Lady V » Thu Sep 20, 2007 1:15 am

Oh, my. I've read the whole thread! We gave BM a miss this year. In 2005 we were virgins. In 2006 we had our own theme camp and were busy the whole time giving workshops, which we loved, and we loved the people who came to them. Wandered around the playa and met an awful lot of young, lost souls trying terribly hard not to be conscious--and probably for good reason.

This year we went to Santa Fe instead and watched Zazobra burn. Zazobra is a huge marionette, with features, and he moans and groans while burning the "gloomies" of the town... we missed being at BRC and checked out the eplaya, and the videos and read about this Paul person's antics. By the time the 2008 theme was announced, we were sad. There are so many great possibilities for a theme.

B Man is an organization, and organizations have natural, clearly defined stages they go through. It seems to me with its exploding population, B Man has entered the last, which is rigidification, stagnation, and decay. I hope it will be reborn into something new.

I didn't know people shouted/yelled/cheered at the Temple Burn. That pretty much does it for me.

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Post by bohemian dawntreader » Thu Sep 20, 2007 7:42 pm

This year was my first burn. i went without an agenda, only a desire to experience as much of the event as i could and it was fantastic. Because that is what i chose to experience. i will be going next year with the same "no agenda" philosophy. Just being in the experience and see where that takes me~

Disappointment comes from ego-centeric thought and if one goes to burningman with the agenda of what will i get from it instead of what will i give to it then they drain positive energy and replace it with negative and hence, the negative experience.

As others have said here...be the change you wish to see~

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Post by gaminwench » Thu Sep 20, 2007 10:05 pm

the 'wave' of vocal energy that passed five times through the Temple watchers was a lovely reaction to the top tower going down, while holding back the final exaltation until the lower structure fell...the only time I, in 8 years, have witnessed the entire city spontaneously participate in toto....beautiful!!! David Best 'rode' the wave inside the circle - so the artist approved! Bravo!

Last year was always better.......only you can make next year what it will be - it won't be the same without you...

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Post by Box Burner » Fri Sep 21, 2007 3:28 am

Hey can I whine too? It's so much fun.

Let's see... what to whine about. Hmmm... I know. My mundane clothes somehow got left behind when I loaded my truck for BM and my only footwear was a pair of sandals. I got serious playa foot and ended up staying in camp for much of the week. Yeah that's it. Playa foot. I can whine about that. :)

Welllllll... no. The beautiful Robbidobbs paid personal attention to my feet. I tended bar til after dawn, got to know some of my camp mates better and Cooked bacon in the morning. (mmmm... Bacon!) And I learned how to play a very ancient game. I sure had fun in camp. :) Guess I can't whine about that.

Hmmm....? Hmmmm... I know, I know, I got to see Captain Godammit's boat! :) :? ...? I guess that is not something you whine about is it? Well I didn't get to ride in Captain godammits boat! I can whine about that. :D

No. I can't. I was on a mission to check the status of a freind who was suffering from dehydration and I was not interested in a ride at the time. She soon recovered and I was much relieved. That made me happy. :D

I know! None of my expectations were met. Not a single one.

Oh yeah. I didn't have any.

I had a fucking Great burn!


fuck, I guess I got nothin' to whine about. Next year will be better. :D
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Post by CapSmashy » Fri Sep 21, 2007 6:17 am

Dammit Box, I was looking to you to provide inspiration for me to start whining.

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Post by skygod » Fri Sep 21, 2007 10:06 am

Next year was better!
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Post by Simon of the Playa » Fri Sep 21, 2007 10:09 am

liar, liar, man on fire......you'll be back, bitch, to suck his flaming wooden cock...

i'll bet you doll hairs to dough nuts.

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skygod, you are SO The Man!

Post by honeyfire » Fri Sep 21, 2007 10:28 am

skygod just gave us the ultimate burner quote:

"Next year was better!"
I'm just trying not to be liveMOOP...

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Post by DKitty » Wed Sep 26, 2007 3:02 pm

Personally, I liked the idea of burning the man on Monday night. I'm sure I'll get some flames for that statement, but why not?

Burningman has always been about change, right? Better art cars, more expansive art, more interesting things to see, and WANTING to get involved more in the experience.

I remember zipping across the playa towards my camp (a large theme camp, no less) and seeing the first flames on the man. I exclaimed to my friends that the man was burning! Nobody believed me at first until we arrived and saw the flames licking up his leg (heh, heh).. and I remember saying.. what if he burns? then what? Will WE as a collective HAVE TO find something else? PERhaps getting inside of us to come together as a whole and make it the community we all seek?

If the man burns on Monday.. will we disband and leave early? Or stay and live out the week the way we all WANT to before getting there. You know, the dust, the hot, the cold, the REAL connections you make with people. Everyone else who just comes for the Saturday party would probably NOT come.

Aren't we burners a resourceful bunch? TO make the week less about the man and more about US as a community of people who party, sure, but also work hard to provide something back?

And why not? The focus has gotten to be the *burn event* nobody can miss! it's on Coffeetable books and on CNN, no less. But Burning the Man isn't what it's all about, or is it?

I think not. I place less importance on the man burning than I do helping others, having a great time, smiling, laughing and constantly being amazed by the incredible time and energy other burners put in going out there.

That's what I think I'm reading in this thread.. when you lament on how it's gotten too big, too uncaring, and too much like Coachella... then perhaps it's because we've unwittingly turned it into a big Carnival ride. We know he's going to burn on Saturday so I show up Friday kind of thing. We know there's a DPW that does sweeps after I leave so why clean up my moop. I know this theme camp goes all night, so I can hide my water bottle behind their art installation and hope nobody sees me kind of thing.

We have become too complacent. The problem is US.

What do you think?

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Re: And yet another "old timer" chimes in...

Post by dana » Wed Sep 26, 2007 10:44 pm

I think a lot of the actual sentiment of this thread comes down to "the first time" thing. That first time you got high on pot. Your first sex. Your first great sex. Or other kinds of epiphany experience: when you nearly died and discovered finally how amazingly cool it was to be alive, that spontaneous altered state - way better than any drug!!

My first trip: spontaneous decision to finally go, pack up, hit the road... and then as I approached - this amazing foreboding that this was going to be "bigger than life", and then finally cresting that last hill and finally seeing the City!! Huge. The feeling of that catch in my heart and gut... A wonderful, indescribable fun, cool expansive, mind altering, sensory overload experience......
But that was the last "first time". Subsequent trips seem to require something different.

Maybe like this:
scruffyboy wrote:
On the positive side: I was cruising the Playa one night and saw a glo stick and figured "dumb-ass little raver!" When I got to the glo stick it was attached to a silver gift box and inside were two pictures and some stones. Not quite sure what it was all about, a memorial? art? I was impressed and touched.
Sometimes it's the little things I see that impress me the most.
Look more closely. Humility - the ability to let each experience be new.
(doesn't happen without a different effort.)

Oh... and maybe be the person who lays down that little silver box....
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Re: Typical "Goddess Bullshit"

Post by flightless » Thu Sep 27, 2007 11:47 am

[quote="Hamandegger"]I am old enough to remember when women gave freely of them selfs...[/quote]

Ewww.... I can't wait until all the old boys who think like that are dead.

Yeah, next year was better!

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Last burn turns into first of a new era

Post by jcpryor » Fri Sep 28, 2007 12:28 pm

Yeah, this was gonna be my last burn. But then everything changed on a Sabado and Sabado Noche.

Day before? Friday Night? Grouchy, lonely, disgruntled and mean.

And it wasn't the conditions which bummed me out. I love dust storms followed by rainbows and dry cracking heat. I'd come looking for those things. Even tho a virgin burner, I was not unprepared for playa harshness . I'd brought my Iconoclastic TP over the Sierra (and not Donner Pass like the rest of the tinshleppers around me in the Jungle) and erected a highly insulated highly strong and comfortable SIP Aframe shell which weathered the playa quite nicely, thank you. Also 70 gallons of water, three big solar panels, a keg of beer, a hefty bag of NorCal's finest ag export and more food than I'd be able to finish in a month. I am MountainPeople. I was born ready son.

My neighbers stopped by, expressed interest in sharing and communing, good times could have been had. Heck, while geodesisic yurts were collapsing around me, my sound structure became a gathering place, which was what I'd wanted it to be.

And it wasn't the annoying techno thumpthumpthumping through the walls of my cave became like the heartbeat of the sea; after a while I got used to it.

It was something inside me. Something I hate that makes me curl up in a hidden corner and avoid the communal sharing my heart longs for. The outsider complex that I carry around that thwarts every relationship I'm in. The thing I came to Burning Man to conquer.

But it seemed to me, way out in the jungle that what might have been possible once was killed by the same forces which created the LasVegasDisneyTopiaTV in control of America Today. And in my heart I wanted to burn the man down and in my heart I applauded the man who tried.

But everything changed through the strangest juxtaposition of forces, the most awesome example of playadipity that I could imagine... but I guess that's probably another thread/topic. I will return.

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Post by BitterDan » Fri Sep 28, 2007 1:14 pm

This was my last burn (for 2007). :D

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Post by theCryptofishist » Sat Sep 29, 2007 9:18 pm

goathead wrote: One thing I do wonder about is why those who choose to not attend anymore feel the need to come in a bitch about it?
:?
Okay I wonder that too. Best experience of their lives and they can't let go? Not responcible for their expectations?
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Post by transgirl » Sat Sep 29, 2007 9:33 pm

I didn't really have the best burn this year either, but I think it was my attitude/planning/luck/insecurities that made it less than awesome.

It was still kinda awesome at some points regardless of a series of unfortunate events.

My neighbors saved my burn w/ kindness. These two people seriously turned my week around.

I think you have to make it what you need it to be.

The goddesses did seem extra goddessy to me this time around. I was stunned. More power to them even though I felt hideous next to them.

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Post by theCryptofishist » Sat Sep 29, 2007 9:35 pm

I really resent the pricktease comments, like women have to put out, they have no other function. Bet the op didn't know that some of those women who "gave freely of themselves" were making the best of a bad lot in a sexist world.
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Re: This was my last burn

Post by hymal » Tue Oct 02, 2007 2:48 pm

[quote="Hamandegger"]This years Burn was my sixth and I won't be going back. I am 56 years old and for six years have been taking my son and a few of his friends to the festival. [/quote]

I've nevere been to BM, but I can understand what you feel. I've been around festivals and raves for the past twelve years and I think that your feeling is pretty common, especially because maybe at first you didn't see those negative behaviours that always had been there (we are humans) but they were just enshrouded... that's why maybe at first we are more excited for the new event because of its sense and we just see the positive and not really the negative. Or maybe you just got bored of it. It happened also to me anyway.What I can only say is that a perfect land o festival o whatever, it simply doesn't exist and that all that kind of people into their negative way they are part of the scene or the theatre, so maybe if you are counscious of this, you can join better the positive way. I am sure that if your thinking is positive about that, you won't meet that kind of situations..
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Re: This was my last burn

Post by hymal » Tue Oct 02, 2007 2:48 pm

..its about midnight in here.. maybe I should rest a little... damn, never been so difficult editing like tonight! :shock:

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Post by skygod » Tue Oct 02, 2007 5:45 pm

[quote="transgirl"][My neighbors saved my burn w/ kindness./quote]
Isn't that the way it always is though? Your doing something and the only reason you remember it is some people helped you at the time.
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