Experiences in Center Camp

Tawnee Lynne · Post by **Tawnee Lynne** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 11:51 am

Ok already! How do you start a freaking poll??? I would like to think there are tons more in support for whatever descisions the head of household for BRC make. I myself would find it immensly impossible to cater to all of your complaints, I think the founders and leaders do an awesome job. and therefore am just seeking a way to get your point heard; meaning cafe: no cafe, versus this insanity happening now.

precipitate · Post by **precipitate** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 11:53 am

> more formal setting for dialog between the burning man llc and the
> citizens of Black Rock City

None that I know of. But as the population grows, town hall meetings and
pseudo annual reports aren't really sufficient for communication between
the LLC and us. I think it's about time for a new way. Any ideas?

precipitate · Post by **precipitate** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 11:54 am

> I would like to think there are tons more in support for whatever
> descisions the head of household for BRC make.

It's statements like that that make me think maybe Burning Man is
doomed.

girlie · Post by **girlie** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 11:56 am

>>I think it's about time for a new way. Any ideas?

I'm mulling it over. I'll write the BM powers-that-be and see what they think and what they'd be open to. Anything new lines of communication would need full support from them.

If anyone has any good ideas on this please write me ([email protected]).

Tawnee Lynne · Post by **Tawnee Lynne** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 11:58 am

pre: this was my first burn, so no, I am not sure how any of this works. I will however donate my time if there is something I can help with on getting communication and or polls started.

Tawnee Lynne · Post by **Tawnee Lynne** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 11:59 am

<~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~(thinking)FINALLY! we are working together....

Zane5100 · Post by **Zane5100** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 12:01 pm

I told you all before...

Larry's pimping it with J Lo and Madonna in the back of his stretch hot tub limo.

You thought you were helping artists and the locals of Black Rock...

suckers

Ivy · Post by **Ivy** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 12:09 pm

Ivy, I in no way commanded someone on what to think. Please, for the sake of embarassment, leave your insecurities at the door.

And for those that came and said it is a vacation, I feel sorry for you, burning man is an experience

You seemed to tell people that it WAS an experience, not a vacation. Not "that's what I thought" but "that's the way it is." Whether or not that was your intention is hard to tell; I can only go on the written words you present. Their contecnt, coupled with your attitude and the lack of consideration for any sort of written structure in the past on this and other forums lead me to believe that you have a high opinion of yourself.
Ain't nothin' wrong with that; I too have an extremely high opinion of myself.
Only, IMO, you might want to present yourself a little less harshly and a little more structured if you want people to read what you have to say.

Zane5100 · Post by **Zane5100** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 12:21 pm

And for those that came and said it is a vacation, I feel sorry for you, burning man is an experience

What about those that say, "It's just a fucking camping trip?"

clandyone · Post by **clandyone** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 12:28 pm

How about "it's just a fucking camping vacation experience"?

"Experience" is a pretty meaningless term. And this year didn't feel much like a goddamn vacation, either.

Zane5100 · Post by **Zane5100** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 12:37 pm

Burning Man is never a vacation for me--usually something that I'm glad I survived (I almost bought the farm in '99).

Tawnee Lynne · Post by **Tawnee Lynne** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 12:46 pm

IMO I think all of the bitchy campers could benefit from a seratonin boost. I would even consider letting Ivy cut in line. Excuse me Ivy, for not knowing the lingo of the board, at least I do check for typo's before I send... If at any point anyone is confused as to wether I am making an opinion or trying to stuff my religion down your throat, please feel free to comment, I will try my best to accomodate your requests. IMO Ivy, you need to cut the rollers off the horse you ride, for making the assumptions that you have made, IMO seems to make the horses ass coexist as part of your own... respectfully IMO
Tawnee Lynne

precipitate · Post by **precipitate** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 12:55 pm

> pre: this was my first burn, so no, I am not sure how any of this works.

Then might I suggest that:

> Maybe burning man doesn't need the stingy, lackadaisical patrons such
> as the ones bitching about center camp.

and:

> Were you in a trance camp or what?

are perhaps not the best way to build consensus? I'll throw your own
words back at you. If you want something to change, change it.
Haranguing people who are simply expressing opinions isn't going
to win you any friends. Then again, maybe you don't want friends.
That's cool too.

Personally, I'm far from stingy and lackadaisical. But you don't know me,
and you assume that because I don't like Center Camp or the sale of
product there that I am.

Also:

> try to demolish a system that is keeping everyone except the selfish, in
> a position to be more generous

I'd like you to explain that in further detail.

And might I also suggest that it can be personally psychologically
dangerous to believe things like:

> Whether I attend one time or ten times, it will always be a climatic life
> experience.

Ever been in a long-term relationship? You know how the sex is fucking
awesome at the beginning. like you can't possibly get enough, and then
as the relationship matures you start caring more about other things,
so that even though sex is still good and important, it's not what you think
about 24/7 and it's not the reason you want to see your sweetie? Burning
Man's kinda like that too.

Zane5100 · Post by **Zane5100** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 12:56 pm

Tawnee Lynne wrote:IMO I think all of the bitchy campers could benefit from a seratonin boost.

I agree.

Line forms right behind me and TL.

Zane5100 · Post by **Zane5100** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 12:58 pm

precipitate wrote:Ever been in a long-term relationship? You know how the sex is fucking
awesome at the beginning. like you can't possibly get enough, and then
as the relationship matures you start caring more about other things,
so that even though sex is still good and important, it's not what you think
about 24/7 and it's not the reason you want to see your sweetie?

fuck

Just when I didn't think I could envy Trey any more than I already do...

Lydia Love · Post by **Lydia Love** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 12:59 pm

at least I do check for typo's before I send... If at any point anyone is confused as to wether

Got Irony?

precipitate · Post by **precipitate** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 1:01 pm

Lydia,

Swoon.

precipitate

Tawnee Lynne · Post by **Tawnee Lynne** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 1:01 pm

cool:) I am in line behind Zane... can I grab your ass?

I think my opinions were self explanatory precipitate. I am not really in the mood to have a power trip with you. Thanks though. You are always welcome to pick apart someone elses statements... and in doing that lose site of the complete thought. that is your undoing if you get confused on the issue, not mine. Thanks for inquiring.
Tawnee Lynne

precipitate · Post by **precipitate** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 1:02 pm

Plonk.

Zane5100 · Post by **Zane5100** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 1:03 pm

Tawnee Lynne wrote:cool:) I am in line behind Zane... can I grab your ass?

Sure--as long as I get to grab back.

Ivy · Post by **Ivy** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 1:12 pm

IMO I think all of the bitchy campers could benefit from a seratonin boost.

I'll let this slide, since you don't know me and my history, but it happens again and the response wonn't be pretty.

I totally agree with precipiate about the whole comparision with ltr sex. I chose not to harp on the fact that it was your first year becuase I didn't want to sem like I was coming down on you for that. But let it be stated for the record that I agree with what she has said.

Regarding experience vs vacation vs camping trip: I don't care what it is for you. It can be whatever. But don't try to tell me what it is for me. And the contect of the word "experience" in Tawnee's post semed to convey a deep, phiolosophical sort of thing.

Basically, what it somes down to is this: you clearly have a strong opinion which you want to share. Great. Share it. Don't cram it down my throat or make it hard to read or swear ot me. If you want me to listen to your opinion (don't worry, by now I'm sure you don't want me to listen to anything, but I think people in general will agree), present yourself as an equal, not a superior; use clear, concise writing; and don't throw hissy fits and personal attacks. That only weakens your base, instead of reinforcing it.

Oh, and Lydia--I love you.

Zane5100 · Post by **Zane5100** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 1:23 pm

Tawnee,

Hacking on veteran burners and telling them how it "is" or "how it should be" at Burning Man is a tough way to get people to take you seriously in here.

Your posts tend to come across as someone who thinks they "get it" and are annoyed that others don't agree with you.

You have your opinion, and they have theirs--both equally valid, even when in conflict. However, some of them have more experience with Burning Man and its culture.

Just something to consider when replying.

Tawnee Lynne · Post by **Tawnee Lynne** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 1:24 pm

Ivy, I will write how I want, just as you. Your opinions that I am on a horse much higher than others wasn't exactly what I consider nice. When instructing fist burners please look at the example you set. IMO I am not judging others, condemning others, or belittling. I am however responding to you and your total need to control what I write. If I were your child, this would be your given right, since I am beyond those impressionable years, your " helpful advice" is unwarranted and unsolicitated. Is this getting my point across? When in a public forum I feel that you have fallen short on the real issue. Center Camp. My point was for people to keep the issue basic, not whine about center camp, when they also stated they didn't use center camp. there is absolutely nothing wrong with the way I delivered my opinion, except that in some way it hit a nerve with you that you have a problem letting go of. Regardless of if I am new or old, I am still a part of this family, I still have a voice, and I am going to utilize it how I see fit. Thank you for your concern on how I should behave. Please keep it on topic though, if that is possible for you.
Tawnee Lynne

Zane5100 · Post by **Zane5100** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 1:29 pm

I don't want to stay on topic.

Lydia Love · Post by **Lydia Love** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 1:30 pm

it was a cheap shot

but sooo fun to make

Zane5100 · Post by **Zane5100** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 1:30 pm

This thread needs a shot of Trey's ass.

damn, now where did that thing go

precipitate · Post by **precipitate** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 1:34 pm

Zane5100 · Post by **Zane5100** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 1:35 pm

Thanks.

I feel better now.

<sigh>

Lydia Love · Post by **Lydia Love** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 1:38 pm

I now have this pavlovian response...

I cheer up when I see Trey's ass.

Zane5100 · Post by **Zane5100** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 1:39 pm

Too bad it isn't "dancing Trey's ass."

That's puts a smile on everyone's face...

Experiences in Center Camp

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