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Re: Plug n plays running amuk

Post by vargaso » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:11 pm

I posted this over in the Get Involved thread, just now seeing this thread. How say y'all?

viewtopic.php?f=82&p=1038567
I haven't been the past couple years, but even way back in 2012, the turn-key thing was getting pretty substantial. From what I've gathered about this year, it's a full-blown phenomena with it's own street, practically. K Street of course. While my, and seemingly everyone's, first reaction is to shake my fist at it, a better response would be to engage these types of camps with some good ol' Cacophony-like activity. Maybe this has already been done, I don't know. But what I propose is the Turn-Key Engagement Project. We drop in on these camps and provide a little theater. Make an art project out of drawing these people out of their expensive cocoons. Gently satirize their exclusivity. Off the top of my head, something like:

Cheap-ass caterers - show up dressed as caterers, serve them cheap stuff like weenies and Tecate
BRC Luxury tax collectors - First Camp A/C don't come for free, you know
Mock(?) protests
Show up as unemployed manservents/maids looking for work
People with small art cars, pretend to be their chauffeur out to the playa
Set up a velvet rope outside a camp and have a guy in a suit with an earpiece be a dickhead doorman. Others of us could wait in line, occasionally get rejected by said doorman
Start-up company looking for VC funding

Etc.

Seriously, the opportunities are endless here, and done in the spirit of fun, not anger or mean-spirited mockery, I'm willing to bet most of the people we'd encounter at the turnkey camps would enjoy it and invite us to hang out and chat. Then some real dialogue could happen.

I'm planning on being there in 2015, and this will be my project. Some fun, satirical, performance-y stuff followed by some chats about the pros/cons of turn-key camps with the very people paying for them. I'm kind of excited. I think I like it.

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Re: Plug n plays running amuk

Post by [jim] » Wed Sep 03, 2014 7:23 pm

Miles wrote:Here's one of the camps: http://www.caravancicle.com/about-camp

Seems like they're somehow linked with Do Lab (not surprised) and the Lost Lounge.
here's a picture of their camp in case you weren't invited:

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Re: Plug n plays running amuk

Post by Lonesomebri » Wed Sep 03, 2014 7:25 pm

Out on 9 and L I spot a row of swamp cooler chilled porta potties. They are marked with a sign reading "Not Public". I ride in closer and spot a smaller handwritten message taped below the first, something like "Please do not use these porta-potties. We need them inorder to serve our clients." The most elaborate and hilarious work of performance art I witnessed on the playa this year. I was still laughing about the absurdity of it all when I emerged from the cool comfort of the provide toilet after taking a relaxing shit, yet not giving one.
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Post by Lonesomebri » Wed Sep 03, 2014 8:14 pm

Rows of identical brand new bicycles, piles of boxes from mini-fridges and small AC units, walls of RVs.... you know they are going out to enjoy what the city offers....so...what do they offer the city? How do they get this amount of equipment and gear on the playa on day one without placement? How can they commit to their clients, while most of us are scrambling to provide ourselves just one or two tickets? Why are they set up out on 9 and L, instead of by 6, or somewhere that everyone coming in can get a nice hared look at what is going on? Why, with the push this year to have camps move over to the 3 oclock side due to dusty streets, do these monstrosities end up over on 9? It's as if they don't even give a fuck about anyone else or the event.
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Re: Plug n plays running amuk

Post by Eric » Wed Sep 03, 2014 8:23 pm

I like that the potties are open for anyone without pubic hair. That's participating*, right?




*Though those of us with All The Hairs are excluded
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Re: Plug n plays running amuk

Post by RedHeaven » Wed Sep 03, 2014 8:30 pm

vargaso wrote:I posted this over in the Get Involved thread, just now seeing this thread. How say y'all?

viewtopic.php?f=82&p=1038567
I haven't been the past couple years, but even way back in 2012, the turn-key thing was getting pretty substantial. From what I've gathered about this year, it's a full-blown phenomena with it's own street, practically. K Street of course. While my, and seemingly everyone's, first reaction is to shake my fist at it, a better response would be to engage these types of camps with some good ol' Cacophony-like activity. Maybe this has already been done, I don't know. But what I propose is the Turn-Key Engagement Project. We drop in on these camps and provide a little theater. Make an art project out of drawing these people out of their expensive cocoons. Gently satirize their exclusivity. Off the top of my head, something like:

Cheap-ass caterers - show up dressed as caterers, serve them cheap stuff like weenies and Tecate
BRC Luxury tax collectors - First Camp A/C don't come for free, you know
Mock(?) protests
Show up as unemployed manservents/maids looking for work
People with small art cars, pretend to be their chauffeur out to the playa
Set up a velvet rope outside a camp and have a guy in a suit with an earpiece be a dickhead doorman. Others of us could wait in line, occasionally get rejected by said doorman
Start-up company looking for VC funding

Etc.

Seriously, the opportunities are endless here, and done in the spirit of fun, not anger or mean-spirited mockery, I'm willing to bet most of the people we'd encounter at the turnkey camps would enjoy it and invite us to hang out and chat. Then some real dialogue could happen.

I'm planning on being there in 2015, and this will be my project. Some fun, satirical, performance-y stuff followed by some chats about the pros/cons of turn-key camps with the very people paying for them. I'm kind of excited. I think I like it.
NICE, OF COURSE! This was my initial comment somewhere here or on facebook....My idea was not as good, I was thinking a slightly amateur polka mariachi mash up mid morning marching band to serenade their camps at like 8am every morning. Just do some nice hearty breeze by the RV windows....

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Re: Plug n plays running amuk

Post by danibel » Wed Sep 03, 2014 8:48 pm

I was camped at 5:15 and I-J block (I was on the edge of J). I have camped in this general area for the past 5 years and though we have seen random RV's here and there, what greeted us on the block on front was a perfect circle two deep of $150k+ El Monte RV's (no signs covered). In the middle was a white dome set up with a dinner table and bar. (completely EMPTY every time I went by) Every RV had two perfectly matched electric bikes. We never saw anyone from this camp. Even when we were serving ice cream made on the spot. It was completely set up on an EA pass. One of our neighbors watched the entire thing go in. Of course this is second hand, but I have no reason not to believe him. He said the drivers all had tickets (and EA's natch) but weren't staying. They simply drove the wagons in, circled them, set up and fueled the RV's.

Our camp had lots of discussions about how to approach this monstrosity, but none of us did. We were all too busy enjoying our burn, cooking for each other, mixing drinks, and checking out art to be concerned with some fuckheads invading our mellow neighborhood. They offered NO interactivity, versus the guy behind us in a nice bus RV that set up a shade on the road with seats and would give you a beer and nice patch if you stopped to say hello.

I don't have a problem with plugnplay in general. I think other burners have figured out how to offer an experience and as someone mentioned above the people that use these services NEED burning man more than I, but I do have a problem with EA passes being used to land grab space on inner blocks for profit. I have a problem with the lack of interactivity. I have a problem with how the camps are set up with WALLS to keep people out. I don't want to look at an ugly brown RV all week. Maybe put them all on the outer circle for wind/dust blocks.
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Post by theCryptofishist » Wed Sep 03, 2014 9:20 pm

groovejedi wrote:Then you should certainly have a problem with the profit the BMorg is making, yes?

:wink:
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Re: Plug n plays running amuk

Post by 666isMONEY » Wed Sep 03, 2014 9:24 pm

Good story about the billionaire camps:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/21/fashi ... other.html

I camped across the street from a plug&play for White Ocean -- maybe not the worst neighbors I've had.

Worst thing was the boredom of looking at their fortress of RV's and noise (generators and diesel trucks) from all the fresh water and sewage pumping services.

Rarely saw any of them. Some were on Segways and they had their own art cars, was too shy to go over and talk with any of them.

Directly across the street was a fancy RV that formed the end of their camp. On the first two mornings, a large Black man came out to sit in the shade. I heard him say to a curious woman: "I should get a tee shirt that says: 'I'm the Black Man' ". He was a paid worker or "Sherpa."

Will I camp next to a fortress again? Yes.

In regards White Ocean: they had a wonderful stage-setting with lights/lasers. Didn't stay up late enough to hear any or their music.

(I have some pictures I may post later showing the stage at night and fortress.)

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Re: Plug n plays running amuk

Post by tattoogoddess » Wed Sep 03, 2014 11:44 pm

Eric wrote:I like that the potties are open for anyone without pubic hair. That's participating*, right?




*Though those of us with All The Hairs are excluded
I more so like the idiot who is using a window air conditioner in that yurt that close to the ground. Good luck with that buddy,
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Re: Plug n plays running amuk

Post by Jackass » Thu Sep 04, 2014 3:49 am

Miles wrote:Here's one of the camps: http://www.caravancicle.com/about-camp

Seems like they're somehow linked with Do Lab (not surprised) and the Lost Lounge.

Nice list of sell-outs

Do they do birthday parties too?

Corporate events?

Conventions?

Tradeshows?

Their website features the BM logo, who gave them green light on that one?

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Re: Plug n plays running amuk

Post by tattoogoddess » Thu Sep 04, 2014 4:12 am

I will just leave this here

http://www.vulture.com/2014/09/will-smi ... g-man.html

Pretty sure he was at a plug and play
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Re: Plug n plays running amuk

Post by Sandstorm » Thu Sep 04, 2014 10:13 am

DrYes: I underlined part of something that you wrote:
DrYes wrote:
Sandstorm wrote:...I get what you're saying, but do all Burners have to act in the same manner? Don't we celebrate diversity? You seem to be veering almost into thought police, wanting to make sure only people with the correct attitude attend, and only folks who behave in ways that would be considered 'normal' there.
Not at all, my friend. In the span of my 6 burns ('07, '08, '10 - '13) I can count on one hand the number of people on the playa with whom I've had less than stellar interactions. Like you, I have too good of a time on the playa to get bent about burners who are annoying me. There's plenty of physical and mental real estate in BRC and if I'm around someone who's annoying me I either ignore them or move on to someplace new. The only reason that I remember the LA Style couple that I ran into on the playa is that to me they were outliers amongst burners. I get the sense that you and I both have strong minds and opinions and that no matter how eloquently you or I write our respective posts we're probably going to think that we perceive something in the other person's post that's not actually there. So, for the record let me say that I have no desire to police the thoughts of other burners and I don't want to enact a "How burner are you?" litmus test for people attending BRC. I simply appreciate burners who give as much to the event as they take. How they give to the event is up to them, not me. As for how I want BRC to manifest and how I like to burn I'll quote a couple of posts from this thread.
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bm_cricket wrote:I'm not complaining that they are rich, I'm complaining that they are in camps that don't seem to provide anything to the community, just the rich people in the camp.


This is the crux of the issue for me also. I'd even go a bit further and say that: not only are they not providing to the greater community, they're actually hurting it by creating exclusivity and velvet ropes. Also, they're leaching artists and other attendees by using the art at large as a product (entertainment) to sell to their guests.
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Re: Plug n plays running amuk

Post by Simon of the Playa » Thu Sep 04, 2014 10:34 am

im just gonna repost this here...





much has been said, and is yet to be written about the "influx" of "wealth" into burning man.

same old story, really.

its not about the money, but it is about the money.

"TO THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN GIVEN MUCH, MUCH IS TO BE EXPECTED"

give, share with the community, and ALL will benefit.


hide yourselves behind walls of RV's and duplicate the lifestyle of defaultia on the Playa "Because You Can", and you will quickly find out what it means to be "shamed".

Pinemom tells a story that i love, i will attempt to paraphrase.

two villages....on opposite sides of a river... one side fights for the resources available,

the other shares everything.

guess who survives.








now stop hating on "Rich" people and start hating on Bad Behavior........there is a difference.
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Re: Plug n plays running amuk

Post by otakup0pe » Thu Sep 04, 2014 10:42 am

Show us on the 100' effigy of a man how the turnkey camps ruined your burn.

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Re: Plug n plays running amuk

Post by unjonharley » Thu Sep 04, 2014 10:45 am

My one largest complaint about Burning Man.. I do not have enough time to see it all.

My heart go's out to the posters on this thread.. That they have to spend so much time watching and complaining about how others burn.. You are missing more than I
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Re: Plug n plays running amuk

Post by Sandstorm » Thu Sep 04, 2014 11:02 am

Well, there's nothing more lovely than being randomly invalidated by people who have nothing better to do than piss on some other people who are having a healthy online discussion about something they care about. Folks, nothing says TRUE BURNER SPIRIT more than a post that essentially says "F*ck you for having an opinion that's different than mine, you stupid a**hole!" #AWESOME

Earlier this year I left the FB BM group because of other people's imbalanced behavior/posts. I sure am glad that this place is a NO TROLL ZONE. ;)

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Re: Plug n plays running amuk

Post by Nipple » Thu Sep 04, 2014 11:08 am

Sandstorm, what Unjon is saying is vaguely a foot in tomorrow, and a foot in yesterday means you're pissing on today.

Rub some dirt on it, and walk it off. Yeah, they suck, but gawking and kvetching about them does nothing but waste your time. Go, see, do, and fuck the RV Fortress.

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Re: Plug n plays running amuk

Post by bm_cricket » Thu Sep 04, 2014 11:30 am

You make it sound like we are sitting around in a circle having a little jerk. I thought this was actually an intelligent online discussion. Those PnP camps didn't get in my way and I had a pretty good burn this year but we all see the population of the city changing. In some ways it's changing for the better, in other ways it's for the worse, and it's all up for discussion on what that really means and who is driving the change.
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Post by unjonharley » Thu Sep 04, 2014 11:35 am

I feel for you, not knowing the difference between a running rant and a discussion..

Like the weather.. Everyone talks about it.. No one dose anything about it..
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Post by remi » Thu Sep 04, 2014 11:45 am

Jackass wrote: If they're going to have these types of camps around then they should send them to the 3 oclock side, make those tools deal with the dust drifts on the soft side. I don't at all care to see this shit on my side of town.

Fuck no! Keep them on the 9 side. The 3 side had a great vibe this year.. there weren't massive walls of RV's except north of 3oclock, which is ok because I only go up there if there is a really good DJ I would like to see (Griz on Wednesday, Tycho on Sat.)

I would hate for the 3 oclock side to end up anything like the 9 oclock side. I had space, all of our neighbors camps were open and they all were participating in some way. 9 is like vegas.. fun night life, but I would never live there.. or even go out there during the day. (This is just from my personal experiences this year.. perhaps your was different.)


EDIT: I ran into a guy who set up the google plug n play camp. Apparently BMorg takes in 3% of all the plug n play payments. They made 18,000$ from the google camp, which means that the google plug n play camp was charge $600,000. They got segways, an on site chef.. and you guessed it.. most of them got the helicopter rides on/off the playa. One of the many. I don't care that there are PnP camps, I just don't like how they do nothing but spectate.. Choreographing a Segway dance doesn't count as your big "participation" act for the week.
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Post by Nipple » Thu Sep 04, 2014 11:48 am

3 O'Clock has always been at War with 9 O'Clock.

If you see a 9'er, do not engage. Consult authorities immediately.

(I really don't understand the ongoing 3:9 business. This is going to turn tragic the moment a fat kid with glasses kills someone.)

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Re: Plug n plays running amuk

Post by Sandstorm » Thu Sep 04, 2014 11:49 am

Nipple wrote:Sandstorm, what Unjon is saying is vaguely a foot in tomorrow, and a foot in yesterday means you're pissing on today.

Rub some dirt on it, and walk it off. Yeah, they suck, but gawking and kvetching about them does nothing but waste your time. Go, see, do, and fuck the RV Fortress.
Nipple: I hear you. I just felt the need to say something given the fact that a couple of people decided to lump everyone in this thread into a little box labelled "Bitchy, Whiny Burners". I'm just not the type of person who can ignore trolls all the time. I'm still working on achieving that level of Zen. And as for BRC, when I'm there I never worry about the PnP folks; it's just back here in the default world that I'd like to see BMORG do something about the fact that PnP camps are sucking up tickets that IMHO could have better homes. Have a good day!

unjohnharley: No matter what I write in reply to your latest masterpiece of a post you're just going to label me AGAIN, so I'll just wish you a lovely day. Ciao, my love!

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Post by Ano » Thu Sep 04, 2014 11:55 am

I hated Plug n Plays until I actually engaged with one, and the members of one.

Now I get it.

It doesn't matter what amenities you return home to at the end of the evening. RV, tent, cot underneath a truck, whatever. In the end, we're all dust colored out on the open playa. In the end, we all have to piss inside a bottle or a porto-potty when out in the open playa. In the end, the person standing next to you in line for Ice could be a millionaire, or they could be Will Smith, or they could be a Receptionist. Worrying about an RV fortress that someone goes home to is a waste of energy and time. It doesn't matter. First Camp has a fucking fence around it, and nobody is complaining about that. Those PnP camps that are RV fortresses? Walk over to one. Say hello. I know the Strawman is that they'll tell you to fuck off, but my experience drinking Long Island's and shitting with running water says differently.

After all, some of the most PnP experiences on Playa can be had at Staff camps, first camp, or even within your own camp. Our camp had an RV with a freezer and Ice-maker that we used all week. Are we plugging and playing for napping in that sucker when it was 120 degrees out, or when we used the ice maker? I was able to eat at the commissary, three times a day, for a week. I didn't have to bring out any food, whatsoever, and on top of that, I received fresh food delivered from Reno to eat in that building. All I had to do for that was "volunteer," and honestly, my "volunteer" time is some of the most fun I have on Playa, so I don't even consider it work. The group I volunteer for has one of the most exclusive bars on the Playa, we straight up harass people out of it if they aren't even loosely associated with us. PnP bars are WAY more open than ours.

Stop worrying about rich people. Guess what? They are going to sleep in Tour Busses with air conditioning and hot meals cooked for them. They'll have workers helping them out. And there's no amount of words on the internet that will change that. However, these same rich people will then ride their segways or tricycles or whatever out on to the playa, and have the same burning man experiences that fundamentally change you, and then they'll bring them home to their friends, who will then come to Burning Man, and repeat. They'll still get dusty. They'll still get lost in the dust storm and have a hard time finding their way home. They'll shit in the same deep playa porto potties you shit in while lost on acid at four in the morning looking for the city. They'll pick up the same MOOP. And, hell, they might even visit the same camp you do or engage in some art. They might even be visiting your camp and talking with you about their favorite colors! WHAT?! OH GOD!

If anything, we should see these walled fortresses as success. Burning Man is so wildly fucking succesful that it attracts the rich and famous and political, like Grover Norquist, out to see what the fuck this desert city is. And then, these rich and famous and political people take the weird shit they experience, translate it for the default, and bring it home.

Fuck you if you think Burning Man is only authentic if you shit in your hand and sleep in the dust. Fuck that, I'm bringing an RV or trailer next year, and it only took me four years to admit that I was an idiot for thinking that what you slept in created your entire experience. After having a big wide open camp last year, we walled off parts of our camp this year so we could have some private space. Almost every theme camp I know of does this. Is it any better if it's a wall of carports instead of a wall of RVs?

Fun fact, directly from a guy who runs one of the longest and largest PnP camps on Playa: Most PnP campers are first or second year Burners, who then go on to fund and build their own camps and art. Plain and simple fact. There was not a single person in his camp who had been more than two years, and he had yet to hear of someone dropping out and never returning after year two. Many of his campers have gone on to help build some of the biggest and best camps that we see on the big streets. Some of them have even moved on to volunteering within the Org fulltime under one of their umbrellas (DMV, ESD, DPW, etc). Are they any less of a burner because they started there? What about the virgin friend you bring one year and do everything for? Is there really that big of a difference between your virgin friend you help bring to the dust and the tons of virgins he helps bring to the dust and acculturate?

And who really gets to dictate who the best use of a ticket is? If someone gets a ticket, they get a ticket. Simple as that. If you didn't get one, you didn't get one. Fight for your ticket if you really want to go. I volunteer 50+ hours a week so that I can guarantee mine. Some folks build art. Others build camps. If your entire playa experience is based around doing whatever you feel like and then complaining about it on the Internet afterwards because people didn't burn how you wanted them to, perhaps you should reconsider your ticket-acquiring-strategies.

If anything, I take it as a remarkable success that there are rich and famous people flying out to see the party we put on. That's fucking awesome. I don't pretend to be offended and upset because the guy next to me at Robot Heart during the sunrise is a multi-millionaire. I've realized that it's a waste of time to care.

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Post by unjonharley » Thu Sep 04, 2014 12:04 pm

Only a person accepting and wearing a label is labeled.. The label of plug and play is a label not accepted by the burner in the RV.
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Re: Plug n plays running amuk

Post by bm_cricket » Thu Sep 04, 2014 12:10 pm

Maybe I'm in the wrong topic. Yep. I guess so. Have fun guys.
It was better next year. -Burners

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Re: Plug n plays running amuk

Post by Hoolie » Thu Sep 04, 2014 12:10 pm

unjonharley wrote:My heart go's out to the posters on this thread.. That they have to spend so much time watching and complaining about how others burn.. You are missing more than I
Odd comment coming from someone who is approaching 10,000 posts here.

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Re: Plug n plays running amuk

Post by Hoolie » Thu Sep 04, 2014 12:22 pm

eplaya is no place to discuss the Burning Man event. Take it somewhere else, people!

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Re: Plug n plays running amuk

Post by Sandstorm » Thu Sep 04, 2014 12:59 pm

Hoolie wrote:
unjonharley wrote:My heart go's out to the posters on this thread.. That they have to spend so much time watching and complaining about how others burn.. You are missing more than I
Odd comment coming from someone who is approaching 10,000 posts here.
Hoolie wrote:eplaya is no place to discuss the Burning Man event. Take it somewhere else, people!
Where do I cast my ballot for Hoolie? :)

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Re: Plug n plays running amuk

Post by vargaso » Thu Sep 04, 2014 1:55 pm

Ano wrote: The group I volunteer for has one of the most exclusive bars on the Playa, we straight up harass people out of it if they aren't even loosely associated with us. PnP bars are WAY more open than ours.
It ain't the money, it's the attitude. An interactive PnP is far better than your little exclusive bar.

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