UNDERCOVER NARCOTICS AGENTS AT BM2005

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Post by ZaphodBurner » Fri Nov 11, 2005 1:58 pm

zorro sings wrote:from Fat Sam-"You would think that's the case, but I was in Club Verboten on Saturday and someone asked if I had a joint..."

Just picked up on this thread and found above interesting.Saturday night is a couples sex thing at our place.No males allowed in unless with a female
Yeah, I wouldn't know anything about that, and was wondering how in hell two undercovers could both get through the door guys AND operate in there without being totally obvious.

"Excuse me, miss...my wife and I want to know whether that's a really amazing tattoo or a BADGE, EVERBODY!!! on your ass."

"Clearly you're not packing." ("That's what his wife says...")

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Post by Sean » Wed Nov 16, 2005 10:11 pm

well after reading this i am seriously going to have to reconsider if I want to come, with having to worry about every second person being a narc. while im there i might or might not wish to have the occasional beer (and i mean one not so much im passed out on the desert) and i have to worry about being nailed for being a minor (which sounds far more serious in the states than here, but if those are the rules you live by i will respect them while im down there). And also why would it bother them if you were in the privacy of your own "home" i mean i could see this if your buddy was walking down the road handing out controlled substances alt12 but it sounds like you were in a fairly private environment and posing no threat to others (and its not like you had a meth lab or something set up). while what you describe unfourtunatley does not sound like entrapment. You may wish to read up on Rob Nuckols who was caught red handed selling $1000 worth of marijuana but was able to prove entrapment. A&E's city confidential did a good but slightly one sided show on his case. Also read up on what the U.S. gov't wants to do to marc emery of the B.C. marijuana party for something that isn't against the law in Canada.

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Post by Sean » Wed Nov 16, 2005 11:17 pm

scratch the part about not coming becuase of some narcs. form the pictures of the buildings and the idea of free expression this sounds way to rad to miss becuase of some cops. but will the LEO presence mean you can be charged with indecent exposure if you chose to go nude?

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Post by regionalchaos » Wed Nov 16, 2005 11:49 pm

Sean wrote:scratch the part about not coming becuase of some narcs. form the pictures of the buildings and the idea of free expression this sounds way to rad to miss becuase of some cops. but will the LEO presence mean you can be charged with indecent exposure if you chose to go nude?
I have not heard of anyone being busted for indecent exposure. Laws regarding public nudity vary from state to state or city to city. There may not be any standing law that governs it in the Black Rock Desert.

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Post by theCryptofishist » Thu Nov 17, 2005 9:17 am

If they started arresting people because they were nude they'd have to take 1000s of people off the playa--what a logistical headache. If you're being a brat and they can't get you for something else, they'll use it, I'm sure. Be discreet, don't pick fights with cops.[/code]
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Post by ZaphodBurner » Thu Nov 17, 2005 10:19 am

Sean wrote:well after reading this i am seriously going to have to reconsider if I want to come, with having to worry about every second person being a narc. while im there i might or might not wish to have the occasional beer
Couple of things: First, if you're under the impression that Burning Man is about drugs and alcohol, or -requires- them, you've probably got an improperly-biased idea of what it is, and you -definately- want to research more before you go down there. The information at the Burning Man website is generally valid, reasonable and accurately portrays the scene. Everything else is wrong (except that truly rockin' article from Canada.)

Second, of course the border is going to be your problem, but if you BYO and don't make a big deal out of it, you're going to be alright. It's a fair statement to say that some people consume small quantities of illegal drugs and modest amounts of alcohol (24/7) and a lot of people have been going a lot of years without having to worry about being busted because they're adult about it and keep their shit together.

There's no particular reason why people need to smoke pot in public, or get puke-drunk and scream "Hey, y'all, I'm only 20!"

If you go down there expecting to buy or sell drugs, you're sort of going against what it's all about and you're not going to find much sympathy. If you're cool and conduct yourself like an adult and meet other people who don't think you're juvenile or a jackass, it's unlikely you won't find -somebody- willing to share. Meet people, make friends, appreciate what's happenign around you and don't give off the 16-year-old-desperate-to-get-laid vibe and the playa provides.

If it doesn't, and you get down there and never smoke a joint, pop an E or a shroom or find a cold beer offer (the latter being more or less impossible) you're still going to have to wear a hat to keep your mind from being blown away. The virtue of Burning Man is that drugs and alcohol are not particularly necessary, not that you can find and use them openly.

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Post by ZaphodBurner » Thu Nov 17, 2005 10:23 am

Sean wrote:but will the LEO presence mean you can be charged with indecent exposure if you chose to go nude?
I suppose you "can be", but you won't.

Anybody know if that has -ever- happened at Burning Man? My wife did a strip-o-gram for the media center and there were apparently LEOs there.

Just don't pee on stuff, starting with the ground.

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Post by EvilDustBooger » Thu Nov 17, 2005 11:26 am

ZaphodBurner wrote: Just don't pee on stuff, starting with the ground.
The "golden rule"....good advice to follow anywhere. :D

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Post by philosopher » Fri Nov 18, 2005 4:59 am

About the exposure question, here's the Nevada statute:


NRS 201.220 Indecent or obscene exposure; penalty.

1. A person who makes any open and indecent or obscene exposure of his person, or of the person of another, is guilty:

(a) For the first offense, of a gross misdemeanor.

(b) For any subsequent offense, of a category D felony and shall be punished as provided in NRS 193.130.

2. For the purposes of this section, the breast feeding of a child by the mother of the child does not constitute an act of open and indecent or obscene exposure of her body.

[Part 1911 C&P § 195; A 1921, 112; NCL § 10142]—(NRS A 1965, 1465; 1967, 476; 1973, 96, 255, 1406; 1977, 867; 1979, 1429; 1983, 206; 1991, 1008; 1995, 127, 1200, 1327; 1997, 2501, 3189)

I think at Burning Man, which is a closed event because of the admission price, the "open" requirement would not be met. Also, there is now quite a history of past practice, which should count for something. Anybody out there have any information to the contrary?

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Experiences at our camp 05 with undercover LEOs

Post by dougnaka » Tue Dec 27, 2005 2:52 pm

We were relaxing in the shade structure, and a couple in our camp was over by their tent when they were approached by a fellow "burner" who told them this story, "Hey, I just got here and couldn't find my camp so I sat on the street and lit up, and some lame cop busts me and gives me a $500 ticket. Man, I'm so bummed, you got any pot?".

Seriously. Our campmates told him no, and then he started walking towards us in the shade structure. They followed him quickly, in time to properly introduce him to us, and this is what our camp mate said. "Hey everyone, this is an UNDERCOVER COP, who just got a $500 ticket for pot smoking." We proceeded to lecture him on the dangers of drugs, we were "Camp, no do drugs", and that he should seriously rethink his desire to break the law. He left and headed for another camp near by, so one of our camp mates escorted him and gave him a similar announcement. The guy did NOT look like a burner. His story was piss poor, and completely full of holes. Something about being "dropped off", "unable to find his camp", not having any gear/luggage, wearing nice bright white sneakers.

Interestingly we had another experience that was similar. These two attractive younger girls, who looked like burners mostly, rode up on bikes with pies in their front baskets, and signs on the front that said "Pies for Shrooms". Now, I'm not sure if they were LEO's or not, but we told them about our undercover action, that none of us have any pot, or do any drugs (other than alcohol & caffeine), and that they should seriously rethink their approach.

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Post by Dr. Pyro » Tue Dec 27, 2005 5:10 pm

May I salute you on your sagely advice. I will neither advocate nor condemn the use of recreational drugs in this forum. There are laws and if you are stupid enough to get caught, either by an undercover cop or your own idiocy, well, you reap what you sow.

Now, on the otherhand, if you happen to have some absinthe available...

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Post by Lassen Forge » Tue Dec 27, 2005 6:16 pm

Dr. Pyro wrote:
Now, on the otherhand, if you happen to have some absinthe available...
reap reap reap... >>grins<<

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Post by dougnaka » Tue Dec 27, 2005 7:45 pm

Isn't that an illegal substance.
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Did you come by our camp?
Mom?

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Post by Lassen Forge » Wed Dec 28, 2005 8:28 am

In some countries, yes. In others, no. The worst part is having to hop a plane for 9 hours, a 90 minute bus hop, then getting in the car there and driving for another 6 hours just to be legal - and that's if the passes and tunnels aren't closed.

Is it worth it? You betcha!!!

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sooooooooooo

Post by dougnaka » Wed Dec 28, 2005 12:11 pm

I shoulda tried it when I had the chance?

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