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Second oldest place on Earth?

Post by EB » Wed May 06, 2009 1:10 pm

http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/200 ... discovered

Article talks about the oldest place on Earth being "desert pavement" in Israel then goes on to say the second oldest place is desert pavement in Nevada...

Anybody know if they're talking about OUR little patch of desert pavement in Nevada?
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Post by Ugly Dougly » Wed May 06, 2009 2:33 pm

A desert pavement is a desert surface that is covered with closely packed, interlocking angular or rounded rock fragments of pebble and cobble size.

The playa is a dry lake bed. Although it looks like "pavement" the surface was actually laid down as sediment. What's under the playa would be older, of course.

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Post by Bob » Wed May 06, 2009 2:38 pm

I'd suspect somewhere in the Mojave where it's drier and less geologically active.
Amazing desert structures & stuff: http://sites.google.com/site/potatotrap/

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Post by Isotopia » Wed May 06, 2009 6:51 pm

There's been some discussion on a few geo boards I'm on. There also seems to be a bit of confusion about the discovery. Desert pavement describes a parcel of surface area that has been around with little (or marginal) amounts of erosion taking place. Physical breakdown by means of other geological processes such as rain, wind, frost, etc. has had little effect over the millions of years. Some readers seem to infer that desert pavement represents - mistakenly - the oldest rock in an area.
I'd suspect somewhere in the Mojave where it's drier and less geologically active.
Except that the Mojave has seen quite a bit of water over the last several tens of thousands of years. Water has a way of eradicating surface areas through several of the processes I mentioned - but you knew that.

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Post by Bob » Wed May 06, 2009 7:42 pm

If it's on ridge spurs in Death Valley, I'm sure there's more on mesas where it's even drier to the east in the lower Colorado basin.
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Post by Carla Lyn » Wed May 06, 2009 9:17 pm

Interesting none the less :D
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Post by theCryptofishist » Thu May 07, 2009 10:14 am

Isotopia wrote:Some readers seem to infer that desert pavement represents - mistakenly - the oldest rock in an area.
Okay, now I'm really confused. What does it mean to be the oldest place in the world?
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Post by Sail Man » Thu May 07, 2009 10:59 am

theCryptofishist wrote:
Isotopia wrote:Some readers seem to infer that desert pavement represents - mistakenly - the oldest rock in an area.
Okay, now I'm really confused. What does it mean to be the oldest place in the world?
And how can there be a single spot/place?

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Post by AntiM » Thu May 07, 2009 11:56 am

Perhaps "oldest" is not the most precise word?

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Post by Ugly Dougly » Thu May 07, 2009 12:09 pm

Where's igneous these days anyway?

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Post by dr.placebo » Thu May 07, 2009 1:13 pm

The oldest rocks are generally found on the shields. See

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shield_(geology)

and

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craton

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Post by Isotopia » Thu May 07, 2009 3:56 pm

And how can there be a single spot/place?
Well the singularity of what is oldest is relative and subject to change. The unnamed spot in Nevada was once considered the oldest undisturbed, ancient surface up until recently. When I was in college taking geology the oldest known rock was dated in Godthab Fjord, Greenland. The Archean gneiss there was dated out to around 3.8 billion years old using Sr-87 and Sr-86 isotopes. That has since changed and now the new record holder being the Acasta Gneiss of the Slave *craton in northwestern Canada which dates out to 4.031 ± 0.003 billion years.

*Craton is used to describe a larger block of ancient continental crust which can be composed of one or more shields.

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Post by wedeliver » Fri May 08, 2009 8:01 am

wiki "Desert Pavement"
A desert pavement is a desert surface that is covered with closely packed, interlocking angular or rounded rock fragments of pebble and cobble size.

Several theories have been proposed for their formation.[1] The more common theory is that they form by the gradual removal of the sand, dust and other fine grained material by the wind and intermittent rain leaving only the larger fragments behind. This does not continue indefinitely, however, because once the pavement has been formed it can act as a barrier to further erosion. Secondly, it has been proposed that desert pavement forms from the shrink/swell properties of the clay underneath the pavement; when precipitation is absorbed by clay it causes it to expand and later when it dries it cracks along planes of weakness. This geomorphic action is believed to have the ability to transport small pebbles to the surface over time; it stays this way due to the lack of abundant precipitation that would otherwise destroy the pavement development through transport of the clasts or excessive vegetative growth.

Finally, a new theory suggests that they form as a consequence of the entrapment of fine-grained material which infiltrates below the rocky surface. This surface continues to be pushed up above the fine grained material by microbial activity which makes small bubbles that help raise the more coarse grained materials to their surface layer; this cycle of events can continue to make a thick layer of windblown dust below the pavement over the millennia. Frequently the stones are polished by the abrasion of wind-borne dust and may even be reduced to a streamlined shape with the narrow point on the windward side, becoming ventifacts.

Desert pavement surfaces are often coated with desert varnish which is a dark brown, sometimes shiny coating that contains clay minerals. In the USA a famous example can be found on Newspaper Rock in Canyonlands, Utah.

Covering extensive areas in Australia desert pavements are called Gibber Plains after the pebbles or gibbers[2], and so Gibber is also used in describing ecological communities such as Gibber Chenopod Shrublands or Gibber Transition Shrublands.
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Post by theCryptofishist » Sun May 10, 2009 1:20 am

Gneiss is such a lovely word.
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Post by Ugly Dougly » Sun May 10, 2009 9:53 am

I thought this was a bad Phyllis Diller joke.

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Post by pandasex » Sat May 16, 2009 8:19 pm

Located in Nevada, the Black Rock Desert is a 400 square mile, thoroughly flat, prehistoric lake bed, completely devoid of any vegetation or animal habitat. Its name comes from a large, prominent dark rock formation located at the north end of the desert. During the summer, the lake bed is primarily a hardpan alkaline playa. During the winter, it becomes a temporary lake which flattens the surface sediment and erases all footprints. This unique geological feature is the reason Burning Man is held in the Black Rock Desert, in Black Rock City.Geologically, the Great Basin in North America is a fault block formation: the crust of the earth between the Sierra and Rocky mountain ranges is stretching from east to west, and is broken into blocks. The faults dive into the earth at roughly 60 angles and the blocks tilt forming the mountain ranges and low basins. Many valleys here are at least 4,000 feet above sea level and all have internal drainage... in other words, water does not flow out to the oceans. Black Rock Country is a small portion of the Great Basin and encompasses the Black Rock Desert, Hualapai Flat, Fly Hot Springs and surrounding mountain ranges with names such as Granite, Calico, Black Rock and Selenite.

The Black Rock Desert is a silt alkaline playa, 3,848 feet above sea level, filled with silt as deep as 10,000 feet. Most of the mountains have a north-south orientation with many peaks higher than 10,000 feet above sea level. The Sierra range is now high enough to cut off incoming Pacific rainfall, creating a desert from what was once a wet, warm and lush landscape Crustal spreading has resulted in the Earth's hot mantle being near enough to the surface to heat ground water, creating the many hot springs.

70 million years ago, the Black Rock Desert was a valley that filled with water during the Pleistocene ice age, becoming a segment of the immense Lake Lahontan. At its greatest expanse, 13,800 years ago, Lake Lahontan covered 8,665 square miles and r eached a depth of 885 feet at the site of today's Pyramid Lake. Imagine this ancient sprawling lake with narrow arms, separating range after range in western Nevada into long peninsulas and islands. Giant mammoth, camel, horse and saber-toothed tiger roamed the marshy land. The largest mammoth ever found in North America was discovered in a channel of the Quinn River in Black Rock Desert. This Imperial Mammoth was 50 years old about 17,000 years ago, weighed about 13,000 pounds and was 13 high at the shoulders.



the rest is pretty interesting too

http://www.blackrockrangers.org/desert.html
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Post by Bob » Sat May 16, 2009 11:14 pm

Way to cut & paste something completely irrelevant.
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Post by Sail Man » Sun May 17, 2009 9:30 am

Bob wrote:Way to cut & paste something completely irrelevant.
:wink:

Clown College was the brainchild of Irvin Feld, the owner of Ringling Brothers and Barnum & Bailey Circus, and longtime Ringling clown and front man Bill Ballantine. In 1968, Ringling had only a handful of clowns in their alleys, most of them over fifty years of age. It was clear that these performers wouldn't be able to go on forever. But there was a dearth of suitable replacements at that time. So Feld decided to create a school to train a new generation in this ancient artform.

Feld also saw the potential public relations opportunity in having a place that could become the Mecca of clowning in America. In addition, he wanted to use the school as another way of keeping his show more attractive to audiences than his competition, and have a place where he could guarantee getting an endless supply of new talent.

In 1984, after Feld's death, Kenneth Feld, his son, took over production of Feld Entertainment and the Ringling shows. He continued to operate the school through the 1997 session, and then closed Clown College because the needs of the show had changed; the school was no longer profitable, nor necessary, as clowning had moved back into the mainstream of performing arts. Also, with nearly fifteen hundred graduates, many of whom were teaching others the lessons they had learned, and with a home videotape produced by Ringling and made at Clown College in 1986 titled "Be A Clown," which featured many of the techniques used in the school's training sessions, Ringling Brothers and Barnum and Bailey Circus officially discontinued their Clown College just shy of its 30th year. Currently, clowns for the Ringling shows are hired based on standard auditions, much like any theatrical production.

Two notable national events took place involving RBBB Clown College. The first occurred on February 17, 1988, when CBS Television broadcast the "Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey Clown College: 20th Anniversary" special. This hour long program was hosted by Dick Van Dyke and it featured a cadre of clown alumni, performing their favorite routines, as well as Mr. Van Dyke, in character as the school custodian "Burford," who was trying to pick up some of the "course material" on the sly.

The second was on August 4, 1992, when Ringling created "Smiles Across America," an event done locally in cities and towns across the country to raise awareness of various issues and to help make people happier. Clown College graduates performed such civic duties as visiting hospitals and parks and appeared for photo ops and did "meet & greet" with the media and the general public.

Van Dyke and long time Today Show weatherman Willard Scott, the first person to portray Ronald McDonald in a television advertisement, are both honorary graduates of the school.

The college moved from Venice, FL to Baraboo, WI in the 1990s after Sarasota County would not extend the railroad 12 miles from Sarasota to the winter headquarters of the circus, also the site of Clown College. Later still, it was moved back to Sarasota where it remained until Feld Entertainment Inc. finally closed it in 1997.

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Post by Oldguy » Sun May 17, 2009 12:36 pm

In the news Sunday May 17 2009

For the first time in Kuwait, women are elected to the National Assembly.

Ruth Padel is named the first female Oxford Professor of Poetry, after a controversial race.

Norway wins the Eurovision Song Contest 2009 with the song "Fairytale" performed by Alexander Rybak, with a record-breaking 387 points.

In India's general election, the Bharatiya Janata Party concedes defeat to the United Progressive Alliance, the ruling coalition led by the Indian National Congress.

The European Space Agency's Herschel Space Observatory and Planck satellite are launched from the Guiana Space Centre, using an Ariane 5ECA rocket.

An attack by the Democratic Forces for the Liberation of Rwanda kills more than 90 civilians and government troops in South Kivu, Democratic Republic of Congo.
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Post by theCryptofishist » Sun May 17, 2009 4:05 pm

Sail Man wrote:
Bob wrote:Way to cut & paste something completely irrelevant.
:wink:

Clown College was the brainchild of Irvin Feld, the owner of Ringling Brothers and Barnum & Bailey Circus, and longtime Ringling blahblahblah, most of them over fifty years of age. blahblahblah. But there was a dearth of suitable replacements at that time. So Feld decided to create a school to train a new generation in this ancient artform.

Feld blahblahblah, the Mecca of clowning in America. In addition, blahblahblah,, and have a place where he could guarantee getting an endless supply of new talent.

In 1984, blahblahblah,the school was no longer profitable, nor necessary, as clowning had moved back into the mainstream of performing arts. Also, with nearly fifteen hundred graduates blahblahblah.

blahblahblah,y Dick Van Dyke and it feublahblahblah...

The second was on August 4, 1992, when Ringling created "Smiles Across America," an event done locally in cities and towns across the country to raise awareness of various issues and to help make people happier. Clown College graduates performed such civic duties as visiting hospitals and parks and appeared for photo ops and did "meet & greet" with the media and the general public.

blahblahblah,, the first person to portray Ronald McDonald in a television advertisement,blahblahblah,
blahblahblah,
Can't you just see P.T. Barnum doing the "step right up and put your feet on the Oldest Place on Earth." (Yeah, I think he'd fudge it, too.) Therefore, Sailman, your entry fails the irrelevency test.
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Post by BAS » Sun May 17, 2009 11:09 pm

The only problem with Wisconsin's tourism slogan, Live Like You Mean It!, is that even "Wisconsin-- home of cows, beer, and cannibalistic serial killers!" would be a better slogan.
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Post by unjonharley » Mon May 18, 2009 7:38 am

The second oldest place on earth is my lap.. Come sit on my lap young lady.

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Post by theCryptofishist » Mon May 18, 2009 9:30 am

BAS wrote:The only problem with Wisconsin's tourism slogan, Live Like You Mean It!, is that even "Wisconsin-- home of cows, beer, and cannibalistic serial killers!" would be a better slogan.
Well, in the great tradition of "Escape to Wisconsin" are we surprised?
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Post by BAS » Mon May 18, 2009 11:16 am

theCryptofishist wrote:
BAS wrote:The only problem with Wisconsin's tourism slogan, Live Like You Mean It!, is that even "Wisconsin-- home of cows, beer, and cannibalistic serial killers!" would be a better slogan.
Well, in the great tradition of "Escape to Wisconsin" are we surprised?
(Well, that one actually made sense, considering what Chicago was like at the time... :wink: )

I liked some of the variations people came up with for "Escape to Wisconsin!"-- such as "Escape Wisconsin!", or "Escape to sin noW!" (Both made by cutting up the bumper sticker before applying it to the car.)

Tony Earl, while governor, had a pretty good idea with the slogan "Eat Cheese or Die!" Too bad it was never used.
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Post by theCryptofishist » Mon May 18, 2009 2:37 pm

BAS wrote:
theCryptofishist wrote:
BAS wrote:The only problem with Wisconsin's tourism slogan, Live Like You Mean It!, is that even "Wisconsin-- home of cows, beer, and cannibalistic serial killers!" would be a better slogan.
Well, in the great tradition of "Escape to Wisconsin" are we surprised?
(Well, that one actually made sense, considering what Chicago was like at the time... :wink: )

I liked some of the variations people came up with for "Escape to Wisconsin!"-- such as "Escape Wisconsin!", or "Escape to sin noW!" (Both made by cutting up the bumper sticker before applying it to the car.)

Tony Earl, while governor, had a pretty good idea with the slogan "Eat Cheese or Die!" Too bad it was never used.
Yeah, but would it really have cut through the whole "Cheesehead" phenomena?
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Post by chiefdanfox » Mon May 18, 2009 3:08 pm

oneeyeddick wrote:...be advised that the risk of braking a condom during sex also increases...
Do those brakes work like a trailer brake? Disc, air, compression release? Do you have a little bicycle handlebar grip that activates the brake or is it more like a cable car brake? Where do you attach the brake handle? What's the brake for? Is it if you want to pull over for a sandwich or to drop some outgoing mail into a roadside box, stuff like that? If you apply too much brake to the front do you tumble ass-over-teakettle? I am confused.

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Post by oneeyeddick » Mon May 18, 2009 3:17 pm

You know what chefDfax, It was a cut and pste, and now that I loook at it, I thinnk it should have it's own tread.

But sreiously, until know, i always read your name as Chefdanfox, and thats no jok
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Post by BAS » Mon May 18, 2009 10:44 pm

theCryptofishist wrote:
BAS wrote:
theCryptofishist wrote: Well, in the great tradition of "Escape to Wisconsin" are we surprised?
(Well, that one actually made sense, considering what Chicago was like at the time... :wink: )

I liked some of the variations people came up with for "Escape to Wisconsin!"-- such as "Escape Wisconsin!", or "Escape to sin noW!" (Both made by cutting up the bumper sticker before applying it to the car.)

Tony Earl, while governor, had a pretty good idea with the slogan "Eat Cheese or Die!" Too bad it was never used.
Yeah, but would it really have cut through the whole "Cheesehead" phenomena?
Wait-- it was most definitely not an attempt at having our entire state cut the cheese! Can you imagine the carnage if an entire cheese-eating, beer-swilling state "cut the cheese" at one time?!! :shock: All that devastation downwind...

You know, what would be more interesting than the second oldest place on Earth?* The second oddest place on Earth!

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Post by Sail Man » Tue May 19, 2009 3:18 pm

theCryptofishist wrote:
Sail Man wrote:
Bob wrote:Way to cut & paste something completely irrelevant.
:wink:

Clown College was the brainchild of Irvin Feld, the owner of Ringling Brothers and Barnum & Bailey Circus, and longtime Ringling blahblahblah, most of them over fifty years of age. blahblahblah. But there was a dearth of suitable replacements at that time. So Feld decided to create a school to train a new generation in this ancient artform.

Feld blahblahblah, the Mecca of clowning in America. In addition, blahblahblah,, and have a place where he could guarantee getting an endless supply of new talent.

In 1984, blahblahblah,the school was no longer profitable, nor necessary, as clowning had moved back into the mainstream of performing arts. Also, with nearly fifteen hundred graduates blahblahblah.

blahblahblah,y Dick Van Dyke and it feublahblahblah...

The second was on August 4, 1992, when Ringling created "Smiles Across America," an event done locally in cities and towns across the country to raise awareness of various issues and to help make people happier. Clown College graduates performed such civic duties as visiting hospitals and parks and appeared for photo ops and did "meet & greet" with the media and the general public.

blahblahblah,, the first person to portray Ronald McDonald in a television advertisement,blahblahblah,
blahblahblah,
Can't you just see P.T. Barnum doing the "step right up and put your feet on the Oldest Place on Earth." (Yeah, I think he'd fudge it, too.) Therefore, Sailman, your entry fails the irrelevency test.
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