Elevated Uranium Levels in Black Rock Desert

Share your pictures and video. Tell us about the sights, sounds, and scents, as well as the rumors and truths found at Burning Man.
evaphoto
Posts: 1
Joined: Sat Jan 22, 2011 4:11 pm

Elevated Uranium Levels in Black Rock Desert

Post by evaphoto » Sat Jan 22, 2011 4:40 pm

When I was reading about the nuclear tests being conducted in the Nevada desert in the 40's and 50's, about 2 years ago, i suddenly thought, what about all he dust one gets into his/her lungs during the week at Burning Man? Uranium has a radioactive half life of 250 000- 4.5 billion (!!!) years, depending on the type. Because of a suspected lead poisoning my doctor had me tested for toxic metals, which also shows Uranium and when the test came back, among other things my Uranium level was "very elevated" to a degree that the lab was questioning whether I had been to a nuclear plant or radioactive site, which wasn't the case - well, except Black Rock Desert. The desert is very rich in Uranium and I found this information at http://wikimapia.org/701341/Gerlach: [b]"Gerlach's drinking water sources include two springs on the western slope of the Granite Mountains, the Railroad Springs and Garden Springs. These springs produce a high quality water, with the exception of uranium contamination. Uranium concentrations in the Railroad and Garden Springs have been as high as 110 mg/L and 290 mg/L, respectively. The Radionuclides Rule, promulgated by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency on December 7, 2000, set a maximum contaminant level for uranium in drinking water at 30 mg/L. "[/b]. That is up to 10 times the maximum level, not to mention possible contamination of the sand through those nuclear tests. Does anybody else have issues with Uranium levels. I suppose I wouldn't have known if it wasn't for tha test that was performed to find something else out. I find it rather disturbing that 30 000 people might be exposed to a health risk like that. :shock:

User avatar
Simon of the Playa
Posts: 19091
Joined: Thu Sep 06, 2007 6:25 pm
Burning Since: 1996
Camp Name: La Guilde des Hashischins
Location: Rochester, Nevada.

pathetic....same old shit year after year after year...

Post by Simon of the Playa » Sat Jan 22, 2011 4:47 pm

contrary to popular opinion,


there is no extra charge for that, toots.
Frida Be You & Me

User avatar
Ugly Dougly
Posts: 17175
Joined: Wed Sep 10, 2003 9:31 am
Burning Since: 1996
Location: เชียงใหม่

Post by Ugly Dougly » Sat Jan 22, 2011 4:49 pm

[youtube][/youtube]

User avatar
Elderberry
Moderator
Posts: 14710
Joined: Tue Jul 17, 2007 10:00 pm
Burning Since: 2007
Camp Name: Mudskipper Cafe
Location: Palm Springs
Contact:

Post by Elderberry » Sat Jan 22, 2011 4:58 pm

Won't dispute what you are saying, but something is gonna kill you eventually' so why worry. Additionally, the government is issuing permits for the event, and if it were that dangerous, I wouldn't think they would issue an event permit for 60,000 people. It could open them up to a huge lawsuit, I would think.

JK
JK
Image
http://www.mudskippercafe.com
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle.
Then I realized that the Lord doesn't work that way so I stole one and asked Him to forgive me

User avatar
Rice
Posts: 1759
Joined: Fri Oct 20, 2006 8:33 pm
Burning Since: 2007
Location: da

Post by Rice » Sat Jan 22, 2011 5:15 pm

jkisha wrote:Won't dispute what you are saying, but something is gonna kill you eventually' so why worry. Additionally, the government is issuing permits for the event, and if it were that dangerous, I wouldn't think they would issue an event permit for 60,000 people. It could open them up to a huge lawsuit, I would think.

JK
My thoughts exactly. Does one not get exposed to more radiation flying one commercial flight across the US than one would if they attended BM for 5 years straight???

User avatar
goathead
Posts: 5317
Joined: Tue Sep 02, 2003 5:02 pm
Burning Since: 1999
Location: Where I live is not far from home.

Post by goathead » Sat Jan 22, 2011 5:17 pm

The tests where in Southern Nevada.
Utah got most of the fall out.
Gerlach has had and overpriced water treatment plant
THAT WAS REQUIRED
for several years now.


YAWN......

User avatar
phil
Posts: 2936
Joined: Fri Jun 10, 2005 2:10 pm
Location: Codgerville

Post by phil » Sat Jan 22, 2011 5:18 pm

IT'S HORRIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'M SHOCKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I CAN'T BELIEVE ANYONE WOULD SUBJECT THEMSELVES TO THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!! BILLIONS OF YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DEPENDING ON THE TYPE.

IF I WERE YOU I'D NEVER GO BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I HATE IT WHEN RADIONUCLIDES LEVELS EXCEED THE MAXIMUM CONTAMINANT LEVEL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IT SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SHOCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

User avatar
gyre
Posts: 15457
Joined: Sun Aug 07, 2005 6:01 pm
Location: ΦάÏ

Post by gyre » Sat Jan 22, 2011 7:27 pm

The high levels from certain natural locations in Black Rock has been mentioned before.

As for the government not subjecting anyone to risk???
Seriously?

They solved the unsafe contamination levels in Denver by raising the limits.
The republicans in particular don't want the record of industrial chemical safety in total looked at too closely.
And you can bet the industry doesn't want anyone looking them over.

I don't know how dangerous it is, but it is not "one" of the risks, it is an additional risk, and avoidable.
It wouldn't hurt to know.

Many safe substances are deadly when inhaled at the same levels.
There is a huge difference between being near something, and inhaling it and carrying it home with you.

User avatar
Simon of the Playa
Posts: 19091
Joined: Thu Sep 06, 2007 6:25 pm
Burning Since: 1996
Camp Name: La Guilde des Hashischins
Location: Rochester, Nevada.

Post by Simon of the Playa » Sat Jan 22, 2011 7:35 pm

based on approx 15 years at the burn multiplied by gross weight (no pun intended) of accumulated nose gremlins minus actual amount inhaled and snorted intentionally or unintentionally plus amount eaten either in food or off of other humans equals me not having to use ANY lighting at night and still not be a darkwad.




how cool is that?

Image
Frida Be You & Me

LLQchasm
Posts: 146
Joined: Thu Jan 20, 2011 11:48 pm

Post by LLQchasm » Sun Jan 23, 2011 9:51 am

Just bring a gas mask... you don't want playa lung anyway.

User avatar
Ugly Dougly
Posts: 17175
Joined: Wed Sep 10, 2003 9:31 am
Burning Since: 1996
Location: เชียงใหม่

Post by Ugly Dougly » Sun Jan 23, 2011 10:15 am

What fun.

User avatar
oneeyeddick
Posts: 5592
Joined: Wed Oct 24, 2007 6:08 pm
Burning Since: 1996
Location: Probably in your pants

Post by oneeyeddick » Sun Jan 23, 2011 10:30 am

Image
We have an obligation to make space for everyone, we have no obligation to make that space pleasant.

User avatar
Isotopia
Posts: 2848
Joined: Fri Sep 05, 2003 11:26 am

Post by Isotopia » Sun Jan 23, 2011 12:21 pm

That is up to 10 times the maximum level, not to mention possible contamination of the sand through those nuclear tests. Does anybody else have issues with Uranium levels.
The issue is being addressed. There is a water supply filtration station built exclusively to deal with the elevated levels of uranium in the local water supply.

There's also a misconception that the source of the primary isotopes (U238 and U235) in the water are the result of fallout from past bomb tests in Nevada. That's not the case. The uranium is naturally occurring and is associated with the granites emplacement in the region many millions of years ago combined with the relatively thin (and spreading) crust beneath the basin and range.
among other things my Uranium level was "very elevated" to a degree that the lab was questioning whether I had been to a nuclear plant or radioactive site, which wasn't the case - well, except Black Rock Desert.
Though I have no reason to not believe you I find that a routine test for toxic metals would reveal elevated levels of uranium related to your visit(s) to the playa. Epidemiological studies performed by both the feds and the state of Nevada suggest marginally elevated levels in those populations tested who live adjacent to any of a number of areas in western Nevada. FWIW I've been to the event 17 times in a row (often staying weeks before and after the official event) and am tested annually for multiple radioisotopes due to the nature of my job which includes handling uranium and transuranic isotopes. My tests - performed at Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory and Los Alamos National Laboratory - consistently indicate no elevated levels of uranium.

Any chance you were in Iraq or any other military theater where depleted uranium was an issue?

User avatar
Dr. Pyro
Posts: 4715
Joined: Tue Sep 02, 2003 8:11 am
Burning Since: 1999
Camp Name: Barbie Death Camp & Wine Bistro
Location: Meadow Vista, CA
Contact:

Post by Dr. Pyro » Sun Jan 23, 2011 12:55 pm

Hard to believe that a few pistascio shells and feather boas are a greater threat to the environment than A-bombs. But I'll take the AEC's word for it.

User avatar
MyDearFriend
Posts: 3760
Joined: Sat Nov 06, 2010 5:22 am
Burning Since: 2011
Camp Name: Barbie Death Camp THIRTEENTH BARBIE
Location: Washington, DC

Post by MyDearFriend » Sun Jan 23, 2011 7:04 pm

Dr. Pyro wrote:Hard to believe that a few pistascio shells and feather boas are a greater threat to the environment than A-bombs. But I'll take the AEC's word for it.
Oh but those shreds and shells might inhibit the development of our intelligently designed gigantic ants, gosh. We don't want to interfere with THEM, Doc.
"Burning Man ruined my life as I knew it, and I have never been happier." -mgb327

"BTW I'm not your wife so don't lie to me." -Ratty

User avatar
theCryptofishist
Posts: 40313
Joined: Mon Feb 23, 2004 9:28 am
Burning Since: 2017
Location: In Exile

Post by theCryptofishist » Sun Jan 23, 2011 7:26 pm

MyDearFriend wrote:
Dr. Pyro wrote:Hard to believe that a few pistascio shells and feather boas are a greater threat to the environment than A-bombs. But I'll take the AEC's word for it.
Oh but those shreds and shells might inhibit the development of our intelligently designed gigantic ants, gosh. We don't want to interfere with THEM, Doc.
It's the brine shrimp and their relatives. I actually found an interesting discussion of what effects the event might have on them, but I haven't had time to read it yet.
The Lady with a Lamprey

"The powerful are exploiting people, art and ideas, and this leads to us plebes debating how to best ration ice.
Man, no wonder they always win....." Lonesomebri

Dave_techie
Posts: 45
Joined: Tue May 05, 2009 7:36 pm

Post by Dave_techie » Mon Jan 24, 2011 2:33 am

I'm the only member of my family who hasn't had cancer, AND I'm the only burner.....

Coincidence?

Perhaps.....

User avatar
AntiM
Moderator
Posts: 20203
Joined: Wed Mar 24, 2004 5:23 am
Burning Since: 2001
Camp Name: Anti M's Home for Wayward Art
Location: Wild, Wild West
Contact:

Post by AntiM » Mon Jan 24, 2011 6:13 am

When we were kids, we lived at the China Lake Naval Weapons Testing Station in the high Mojave desert in the early 60s. I've lost two bothers to cancer, and I've had two cancers already myself. Sure, I know the colon cancer is genetic, as I've lost uncles and cousins to that. But between the family genetics and childhood exposure to god-knows-what, my DNA is so compromised that a few weeks at Black Rock won't make an iota of difference.

Not that I think it would anyway, but I can hardly worry myself to death over cancer sources. I'm fucking doomed, may as well embrace my mortality.

User avatar
chris2010
Posts: 253
Joined: Thu Oct 15, 2009 10:55 pm
Burning Since: 2010
Location: Citrus Springs, Florida
Contact:

Post by chris2010 » Mon Jan 24, 2011 8:02 am

I think if we did pick up some Radioactivity from the Playa dust we would set the detectors off at the airports, for those who flew home like me. I know I still had Playa dust covering most of my stuff and clothes....
~Chris~
2010, 2011)°(2013?

User avatar
ygmir
Posts: 29387
Joined: Thu Sep 20, 2007 8:36 pm
Burning Since: 2017
Camp Name: qqqq
Location: nevada county

Post by ygmir » Mon Jan 24, 2011 8:24 am

you're worried about atomic testing?
Don't you realize, BRC is basically downwind from Susanville?

A little AEC party in the past is nothing.....
YGMIR

Unabashed Nordic
Pagan

User avatar
TomServo
Posts: 6160
Joined: Wed Dec 01, 2004 1:17 pm
Burning Since: 1999
Camp Name: Black Rock City Assholes Union Local 668
Location: Las Vegas, Nevada

Post by TomServo » Mon Jan 24, 2011 10:17 am

Image
anything worth doing is worth overdoing..

User avatar
LostinReno
Posts: 649
Joined: Sun Feb 22, 2009 4:57 pm
Burning Since: 2009
Location: 4:30 & G

Post by LostinReno » Tue Jan 25, 2011 12:14 pm

I've lived in Northern Nevada almost my entire life. It took 38 years before they had to take the thyroid out. Eh...you'll be fine! :roll:

User avatar
teardropper
Posts: 1215
Joined: Thu Aug 27, 2009 3:33 pm
Burning Since: 2009
Camp Name: The late Lazy Fucks. Now Orphan Eaters.
Location: Oregon

Post by teardropper » Tue Jan 25, 2011 12:35 pm

LostinReno wrote:I've lived in Northern Nevada almost my entire life. It took 38 years before they had to take the thyroid out. Eh...you'll be fine! :roll:
Well that's reassuring...
\^/
/..\ Furthur

User avatar
LostinReno
Posts: 649
Joined: Sun Feb 22, 2009 4:57 pm
Burning Since: 2009
Location: 4:30 & G

Post by LostinReno » Tue Jan 25, 2011 12:45 pm

teardropper wrote:
LostinReno wrote:I've lived in Northern Nevada almost my entire life. It took 38 years before they had to take the thyroid out. Eh...you'll be fine! :roll:
Well that's reassuring...
Even more reassuring when they tell you that heredity and/or radiation exposure is what caused it. No one else in my family has a history of thyroid issues. Nevada/Utah have a much greater percentage of thyroid problems than anywhere else in the US. Much like Chernobyl. :?
I don't think two weeks on the playa is going to do you in. :wink:

User avatar
geospyder
Posts: 1830
Joined: Tue Mar 24, 2009 9:38 pm
Burning Since: 2017
Location: South of the Playa

Post by geospyder » Tue Jan 25, 2011 1:18 pm

Hey LIR - I've seen you glow at night. Now I know why :shock:
You know it's going to be a bad day when you jump out of bed and miss the floor.

User avatar
1durphul
Posts: 704
Joined: Mon Apr 27, 2009 1:14 pm

Post by 1durphul » Tue Jan 25, 2011 1:41 pm

LostinReno wrote:
teardropper wrote:
LostinReno wrote:I've lived in Northern Nevada almost my entire life. It took 38 years before they had to take the thyroid out. Eh...you'll be fine! :roll:
Well that's reassuring...
Even more reassuring when they tell you that heredity and/or radiation exposure is what caused it. No one else in my family has a history of thyroid issues. Nevada/Utah have a much greater percentage of thyroid problems than anywhere else in the US. Much like Chernobyl. :?
I don't think two weeks on the playa is going to do you in. :wink:
I was listening to an NPR story recently had my mind blown, the world's third largest nuclear disaster *ever* occurred in Southern California in Santa Susana pass between Simi Valley and the San Fernando Valley, both well populated areas. I grew up in the Simi Valley area.

Turns out this nuclear accident was larger than 3 Mile Island even. Yet the public was never told, nobody knew about it. And people began to die of cancer in greater numbers than normal some years later...

http://www.loe.org/shows/segments.htm?p ... egmentID=1

User avatar
Isotopia
Posts: 2848
Joined: Fri Sep 05, 2003 11:26 am

Post by Isotopia » Tue Jan 25, 2011 1:54 pm

I too am amazed at how little that incident is known my average Americans - especially Californians.

User avatar
Sic Pup
Posts: 1440
Joined: Tue Aug 10, 2010 9:51 am
Location: Location, Location

Post by Sic Pup » Tue Jan 25, 2011 2:21 pm

geospyder wrote:Hey LIR - I've seen you glow at night. Now I know why :shock:
Hmmm....just think, if the levels were high enough we'd have no more darkwad issues.
"Enjoy every sandwich" - W. Zevon

User avatar
Roberto Dobbisano
Posts: 2973
Joined: Thu Jul 09, 2009 5:54 pm
Location: Dobbidossola, Italy.

Post by Roberto Dobbisano » Tue Jan 25, 2011 2:26 pm

Isotopia...


it does not surprise me.

the dumbing down of America and the realization that nobody gives a shit about history, hell, in a facebook-driven constant stream of new content self feedback loop society nobody even REMEMBERS 15 minutes ago.

and hence, no one cares.


now where is my bottle of Love canal Springs Premium water?
"10 principles? you cant HANDLE the 10 principles..."

User avatar
Marscrumbs
Posts: 543
Joined: Wed Mar 10, 2004 2:45 pm
Location: Bishop Ca

I've been going for years.

Post by Marscrumbs » Tue Jan 25, 2011 3:18 pm

I bring my own food, water and my geiger counter to the Playa. Doesn't everybody?

Post Reply

Return to “Stories”