Exodus 2013

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Re: Exodus 2013

Post by unjonharley » Thu Sep 12, 2013 10:13 am

theCryptofishist wrote:
maladroit wrote:I just don't see the possibility of building a train depot that has a crane to offload containers for only one month out of the year, let alone building it in a federally-protected lake that actually has water in it sometimes.
And that's not even taking into account that the tracks are owned by BNSF(? some commercial shipping entity) who don't stand to make enough money on the deal as they could lose on the delays to freight trains.
Even if the railway saw a profit in a siding track... The cost to ship a container would be unbelievable.. Also, To many jaded old burners are going plug and play with air cooled RV's.. It is going to be up to the burners to settle for what there is..

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Re: Exodus 2013

Post by Lonesomebri » Thu Sep 12, 2013 10:18 am

unjonharley wrote:I intend to extend my burn.. Planing a good entrance party in D lot.. With lemonade, finger food and music plus?? Same for exit.. Meet new friends and have actual conversations..
The only solution that really makes sense...... Enjoy it. My mistake is packing it all too tight and not being prepared to savor the bookends.
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Re: Exodus 2013

Post by maladroit » Thu Sep 12, 2013 10:31 am

If they see you having too much fun in D lot, they ground you for another 8 hours since you aren't taking your punishment seriously. With no TV!

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Re: Exodus 2013

Post by theCryptofishist » Thu Sep 12, 2013 10:32 am

maladroit wrote:If they see you having too much fun in D lot, they ground you for another 8 hours since you aren't taking your punishment seriously. With no TV!
And no beer!
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Re: Exodus 2013

Post by bradtem » Thu Sep 12, 2013 1:14 pm

BNSF has usage rights on those tracks but does not own them as far as I know. I believe they are owned by the UP.

Traffic is light on them, and seems to be lighter with the shutdown of US Gypsum, which was the only serious user of the tracks in the area.

There are 3 possible rail scenarios:

1) Simply finding/booking an hour gap in track use, allowing a train to stop on the tracks in the Trego area for passengers and light cargo to get on/off and transfer to buses, art cars or their own bicycles. Unknown if practical to remove shipping containers in such a stop, those might have to go to Gerlach. This is obviously the cheapest option and shortest ride, if the UP could be convinced to allow it and that it's safe.

2) Construction of a railway siding along the tracks near the city, allowing safe transfer. UP might still be concerned having lots of people near the track while trains go past the siding, fencing might be needed as well. This is the ideal solution, but expensive and requires the most convincing.

3) Trains go to Gerlach and pull off on the existing siding for offload of shipping containers and passengers. Bus and truck shuttles to playa (using 12 mile entrance.) Almost surely the easiest to negotiate (but not even this has been practical in the past) but with the most work on shuttling logistics

Extra bonus credit -- arranging enough time on the track to go eastbound from the Patton village junction or similar to Gerlach instead of having to go to Winnemucca and backtrack. Probably difficult unless traffic has dropped a lot.
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Re: Exodus 2013

Post by maladroit » Thu Sep 12, 2013 1:27 pm

I just want to know if my train ticket will be good for a transfer onto the BRC Subway.

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Re: Exodus 2013

Post by ranger magnum » Thu Sep 12, 2013 1:52 pm

kiss-o-matic wrote:How much would it cost to expand 447 an extra lane?
It would be upwards of 500k per mile.
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Re: Exodus 2013

Post by marcgorcey » Thu Sep 12, 2013 2:25 pm

ranger magnum wrote:
kiss-o-matic wrote:How much would it cost to expand 447 an extra lane?
It would be upwards of 500k per mile.
Seems like a cheaper rate than rail, though:

http://www.acwr.com/railroad-site-selec ... iding.html
rule of thumb for new track construction is between $1 Million - $2 Million per mile, depending on who is constructing the track. Some rail clients need alot of track space to handle unit trains over a mile long. Below is a basic cost estimate for a mile long siding.

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Re: Exodus 2013

Post by maladroit » Thu Sep 12, 2013 2:53 pm

It would be a lot cheaper if Burning Man was actually a work camp for the railway one year. Theme is "Hammersong" and instead of talking about John Frum, we talk about John Henry.

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Re: Exodus 2013

Post by knowmad » Thu Sep 12, 2013 3:00 pm

actualy we talk about shitbags and the stuff they moop across the playa
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Re: Exodus 2013

Post by BBadger » Thu Sep 12, 2013 11:52 pm

Yeah, let's pay for another lane of highway out to literally nowhere just so we can use it for one week a year. The idea is about as idiotic as buying solar panels only for use at Burning Man.
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Re: Exodus 2013

Post by lucky420 » Fri Sep 13, 2013 4:11 am

BBadger wrote:Yeah, let's pay for another lane of highway out to literally nowhere just so we can use it for one week a year. The idea is about as idiotic as buying solar panels only for use at Burning Man.

Perfectly put.
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Re: Exodus 2013

Post by GreyCoyote » Fri Sep 13, 2013 4:38 am

We could call it the "Larry Harvey Memorial Hwy". :)

Except of course for the fact he is still very much alive.
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Re: Exodus 2013

Post by C187 » Fri Sep 13, 2013 5:06 am

GreyCoyote wrote:We could call it the "Larry Harvey Memorial Hwy". :)

Except of course for the fact he is still very much alive.
We can't plan ahead?

Anyway, I have one word to solve everyone's Exodus issues!

Airships
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Re: Exodus 2013

Post by goathead » Fri Sep 13, 2013 5:09 am

GreyCoyote wrote:We could call it the "Larry Harvey Memorial Hwy". :)

Except of course for the fact he is still very much alive.
That is just a rumor.

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Re: Exodus 2013

Post by Simon of the Playa » Fri Sep 13, 2013 3:12 pm

Airships



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i can totally get behind that.
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Re: Exodus 2013

Post by Mojojita » Sat Sep 14, 2013 5:05 pm

Funny...a couple of days ago there was a test of an experimental airship, near Tustin I think. Made for carrying heavy cargo. I believe the company was Worldwide Aeros or some such.
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Re: Exodus 2013

Post by maladroit » Sat Sep 14, 2013 8:29 pm

Porn drives innovation, so if we allow the porn directors back into Burning Man they'll set up an efficient transport system in no time.

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Re: Exodus 2013

Post by Mojojita » Mon Sep 16, 2013 12:32 pm

^ Hilarious!


Since the BRC population is now capped for some years to come under the agreement with the BLM, population growth is not really a factor - just the problem of getting people in and out more efficiently. Although I too had some initial queasiness about it, now I hope we can drastically increase use of the Burner Bus.
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Re: Exodus 2013

Post by BBadger » Mon Sep 16, 2013 1:17 pm

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Re: Exodus 2013

Post by Simon of the Playa » Mon Sep 16, 2013 1:22 pm

I hope we can drastically increase use of the Burner Bus.
i felt the uneasy as well until i got to see it first hand....i hitched out on monday to reno with one of the drivers....yeah, they got express lanes, but if you were willing to give up a "vehicle" and truly pack it in pack it out or have your logistics handled by others, then this is the way to go.

we are a large city, we need to continue to think in a civic manner as far as how to make things run like a swiss train.


on time, and cleanly...

public transportation will alleviate some of the inevitable issues that accompany 69,613 people driving to the same place.


but BBADGER is correct, i prefer dirigibles.
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Re: Exodus 2013

Post by Nipple » Mon Sep 16, 2013 1:28 pm

Simon of the Playa wrote: we are a large city, we need to continue to think in a civic manner as far as how to make things run like a swiss train.
I can't take a pee in BRC, without a half hour conversation, a 15 minute wait for stragglers, and someone catching me just as I'm going into the bathroom to say "HEY! I SAID I WAS COMING!"

Someday everything will run like a Swiss train, that was sold to India.

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Re: Exodus 2013

Post by Lonesomebri » Mon Sep 16, 2013 1:34 pm

So, has the consensus come around to supporting airships over locomotives? Which will rise to solve this BRC problem of the 21st Century?

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Re: Exodus 2013

Post by VultureChow » Mon Sep 16, 2013 1:38 pm

Lonesomebri wrote:So, has the consensus come around to supporting airships over locomotives? Which will rise to solve this BRC problem of the 21st Century?
Are we talking hydrogen or helium?
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Re: Exodus 2013

Post by unjonharley » Mon Sep 16, 2013 1:52 pm

I'm betting the cap wont be reach again for a few years..

Many felt the enter and exit as a nudge in the nuts..

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Re: Exodus 2013

Post by stew » Mon Sep 16, 2013 1:52 pm

VultureChow wrote:tAre we talking hydrogen or helium?
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Re: Exodus 2013

Post by unjonharley » Mon Sep 16, 2013 1:54 pm

Ah, The Eric way of doing things.

Burn shit and blow shit up

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Re: Exodus 2013

Post by Nipple » Mon Sep 16, 2013 1:59 pm

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Re: Exodus 2013

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Re: Exodus 2013

Post by theCryptofishist » Mon Sep 16, 2013 7:16 pm

The Lady with a Lamprey

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