Plug n plays running amuk

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Re: Plug n plays running amuk

Post by AntiM » Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:50 am

Well, if nothing else, she now has links to the Ten Principles on several of her photos, a brief explanation of why feathers are MOOPy and why participants are asked to pick up MOOP for a couple hours, and an invitation to drop by the Home for Wayward Art for a chat and to adopt art.

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Re: Plug n plays running amuk

Post by gaminwench » Tue Sep 18, 2018 10:22 am

Entheos report.

We stopped by on Wednesday evening. People were jumping on trampolines. They had a 'gifting booth' out front for 'offerings' from their camp. There was a DJ.

Not a particularly pretty camp. Not a particularly inviting camp. I hope their *back of house* amenities were more cushy, for the folks who bought their burn (not).
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Re: Plug n plays running amuk

Post by MayNotBeReal » Wed Sep 19, 2018 2:24 pm

gaminwench wrote:
Tue Sep 18, 2018 10:22 am
Entheos report.

We stopped by on Wednesday evening. People were jumping on trampolines. They had a 'gifting booth' out front for 'offerings' from their camp. There was a DJ.

Not a particularly pretty camp. Not a particularly inviting camp. I hope their *back of house* amenities were more cushy, for the folks who bought their burn (not).
O boy. wouldn't it be a shame if someone were to break in and do some /devilish/ pranks... if that happened, they'd be really upset.... their wealthy, distorted view of BM would be totally shattered... wowee, what a shame that would be... they'd be forced to accept that they aren't particularly welcome... hoo boy... a real shame....

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Re: Plug n plays running amuk

Post by lucky420 » Wed Sep 19, 2018 2:33 pm

That shit has actually happened ^^
Oh my god, it's HUGE!

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Re: Plug n plays running amuk

Post by danibel » Wed Sep 19, 2018 3:44 pm

Monday or Tuesday morning after the burn, I was enjoying a cup of coffee with death B4 decaf and a nice older man walked up and asked if we still had coffee. Yes. He got himself a cup and found a seat. He told us he was with Ethenos and had been having a marvelous burn. He told me about the talks they hosted and how great his campmates were. I didn't pry, but just listened. When he finished his coffee he said he should get back to camp to help pack. That was my only interaction with Ethenos the whole burn. I don't even know where their camp is, but I am assuming it was close to 4 and C.
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Re: Plug n plays running amuk

Post by some seeing eye » Sat Sep 22, 2018 8:08 pm

AntiM wrote:
Tue Sep 18, 2018 8:54 am
some seeing eye wrote:
Tue Sep 18, 2018 7:10 am
PnP causes misplaced belly buttons?

The selfie generation has been going on since Myspace angles. Digital cameras continued what started with film camera portraits of burners at the burn with the artwork in the background. One of the most interesting aspects of the burn is its open source fast fashion, evolved by images. Today people relate their experiences to food, museums, sports events, just about every thing they do through social media photographs. On facebook it's customary for friends to complement each other's photographs of themselves, taken by themselves or another photographer. I don't think the trend is going to reverse. Personally I would prioritize the temple burn being silent over prohibiting it as a selfie background. I'd end large scale sound vehicles so people could have conversations. None of that is going to happen.
I see you lack the context. This is a Victoria's Secret Angel, a model who is a brand herself. On Reddit it is reported that people were mourning were moved aside so she could have her shoot uninterrupted. She credits her fucking stylist! This is not some random chick with an Instagram selfie, this is a professional model who utilized a sacred space for her professional shoot. She is not people, she is a commodity. THAT is my objection.
I agree! Imagine a quadrant chart with the vertical axis representing the degree of commodification low to high and the horizontal axis representing participant wealth from high to low. That model and her #modelcrew represent the high commodification by wealthy participants quadrant. Given their reported income, they would be staying at a PnP camp with copious outside services. Those camps get special acculturation treatment by the BORG. So the responsibility for their behavior resides 100% with the BORG.

They can make their own Instagram post IMO that's weak while the PnP run amok. Would the BORG cancel placement for PnP camps with bad #instamodel behavior?

Personally I have zero problem with low income individuals and microbusinesses/craft hobbyists connecting their brand with the event. I don't think it is possible to prevent individuals from connecting their personal brand with the event.

I do think it would be great to create a new anonymity movement among burners, where the connection between their burner identity and real identity is known to only a few of their friends. But with facial recognition it is hard to keep them separated in the long term. All the personal data collected for online advertising already knows who the burners are.
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Re: Plug n plays running amuk

Post by AntiM » Sun Sep 23, 2018 4:35 am

I just got a taste of backlash from the stylist who did the VC model shoots. I posted the decommodification principle on one of her Instagram photos, she lashed back at me. Unfortunately, she did so one the very last photo I took of MyLarry at home before he died. Wow. She outright admits she pays her bills this way, and if I am reading her comment right, gets a free ride to the burn. No way this will ever endear plug n plays and commerce on the playa to me.



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Re: Plug n plays running amuk

Post by Traveller in Time » Sun Sep 23, 2018 4:38 am

Auch :(
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Re: Plug n plays running amuk

Post by AntiM » Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:02 am

Yeah, if you go to her Insta, she tells me the principles are just guidelines for the regionals, Burning Man has evolved, and she is above them.

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Re: Plug n plays running amuk

Post by wraith » Wed Oct 03, 2018 2:35 am

Simon of the Playa wrote:
Tue Nov 04, 2014 8:17 am
don't give up...

don't ever give up.

what IS encouraging and gives me hope is the dialogue and conversation that is going on, and you know what?

The BMORG DOES LISTEN


just look at last year, they heard when we cried out about early sound camp line ups.

keep crying out, let your voice be heard, i'm sure there is at least ONE HORTON on the board who wants to protect our precious flower.

but don't give up.

thats not what this is about.

on election day it seems fitting that we, the community, let the powers that be know how we feel.

and, i still have faith, i know, that may seem strange, but, i've seen the Man burn through many rainstorms, i can only hope that he continues to do so.

it's really up to the BMORG now, ember is in their court.
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Re: Plug n plays running amuk

Post by Simon of the Playa » Wed Oct 03, 2018 1:10 pm

yes.


and i made this point the other day to a friend.


there will always be that small portion of diplos that are gonna diplo, models that are gonna model, and one percenters that are gonna one percent.

the borg cannot change this, but they can assimilate them, and who knows, maybe one day paris hilton will be laying fence.

we are invading defaultia, not the other way around.

if the borg has to respond to all the ills of the day then yes indeed, we are fucked.

im afraid not even danger ranger can stop The Dark Looming Shadow of Fascism.

yet.
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Re: Plug n plays running amuk

Post by Bless » Wed Oct 03, 2018 1:16 pm

Simon of the Playa wrote:
Wed Oct 03, 2018 1:10 pm
we are invading defaultia, not the other way around.
THIS
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Re: Plug n plays running amuk

Post by maladroit » Thu Oct 11, 2018 8:00 am

Simon of the Playa wrote:
Wed Oct 03, 2018 1:10 pm
there will always be that small portion of diplos that are gonna diplo, models that are gonna model, and one percenters that are gonna one percent.

the borg cannot change this, but they can assimilate them, and who knows, maybe one day paris hilton will be laying fence.
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Re: Plug n plays running amuk

Post by Burning Compass » Wed Oct 17, 2018 9:15 pm

Bless wrote:
Wed Oct 03, 2018 1:16 pm
Simon of the Playa wrote:
Wed Oct 03, 2018 1:10 pm
we are invading defaultia, not the other way around.
THIS
This will continue as the effect of the Burn starts to burn the world. I didn't read the whole thread but it seems to me like the solution is simple here when discussion decommodification of Turn-key camps. We take the time to show them how it's done. You can do that all sorts of loving ways, and some that may not be as loving.

- If you see anything that isn't decommodified walk up to that person and ask them about it. Maybe they didn't even realize it or didn't really understand the principal.

- Kinda moopy but you could carry stickers or a roll of tape with you and cover items that aren't decommodified.

- If you are in a not so warm mood, or you think someone is just being a dick, go and tell them how you really feel about it. Make the situation uncomfortable for them. Personally, would only use this as a last resort for a situation where positive reinforcement didn't work.

- For the militant pranksters, you could always walk around with a bullhorn and shame them. Not my style on this issue although I think it needs to be used for MOOP at Midburn, along with positive reinforcement. But that's another subject

If we all get creative and make an effort as a group, I'm not sure we need the BORG to make any drastic changes. We can just as easily effect change by being the change we want to see at the burn and spreading the understanding to those who are struggling.

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Re: Plug n plays running amuk

Post by Burning Compass » Wed Oct 17, 2018 9:20 pm

Burning Compass wrote:
Wed Oct 17, 2018 9:15 pm
Bless wrote:
Wed Oct 03, 2018 1:16 pm
Simon of the Playa wrote:
Wed Oct 03, 2018 1:10 pm
we are invading defaultia, not the other way around.
THIS
This will continue as the effect of the Burn starts to burn the world. I didn't read the whole thread, the amount of ire for turnkeys on here is a bit too much for me and I'm a tent camper so far. However, it seems to me like the solution here may be simple here when discussing decommodification at Turn-key camps. All we have to do is take the time to show them how it's done. I believe (broad strokes) that if all these problems are with just turn key camps, there must be something about their nature that brings burners who struggle in different areas than the rest of us. We can help them with that in all sorts of loving ways, and some that may not be as loving.

- If you see anything that isn't decommodified walk up to that person and ask them about it. Maybe they didn't even realize it or didn't really understand the principal.

- Kinda moopy but you could carry stickers or a roll of tape with you and cover items that aren't decommodified.

- If you are in a not so warm mood, or you think someone is just being a dick, go and tell them how you really feel about it. Make the situation uncomfortable for them. Personally, would only use this as a last resort for a situation where positive reinforcement didn't work.

- For the militant pranksters, you could always walk around with a bullhorn and shame them. Not my style on this issue although I think it needs to be used for MOOP at Midburn, along with positive reinforcement. But that's another subject

If we all get creative and make an effort as a group, I'm not sure we need the BORG to make any drastic changes. We can just as easily effect change by being the change we want to see at the burn and spreading the understanding to those who are struggling.

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