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Re: Plug n plays running amuk

Post by unjonharley » Fri Sep 19, 2014 10:31 am

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Re: Plug n plays running amuk

Post by kiboy » Fri Sep 19, 2014 10:49 am

Well I wouldn't go so far as to say never. That would go against the advice my grandma gave me about never saying never. :P

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Re: Plug n plays running amuk

Post by pink » Fri Sep 19, 2014 5:16 pm

I got an email from placement saying so many camps had requested the 7:30 area & asked for people to voluntarily ask to be placed elsewhere.

We were tossing people out of our private area when they just wanted to wander in/walk through, etc. I worry about thieves mostly, but also think it's just kinda rude to think anyone wants to just wander through the living area. We have had all of our hitachis stolen.
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Re: Plug n plays running amuk

Post by graidawg » Fri Sep 19, 2014 5:36 pm

pink wrote:I got an email from placement saying so many camps had requested the 7:30 area & asked for people to voluntarily ask to be placed elsewhere.

We were tossing people out of our private area when they just wanted to wander in/walk through, etc. I worry about thieves mostly, but also think it's just kinda rude to think anyone wants to just wander through the living area. We have had all of our hitachis stolen.
you had hitachis? damn they is expensive.
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Re: Plug n plays running amuk

Post by Elderberry » Fri Sep 19, 2014 5:46 pm

What's a hitachi?
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Re: Plug n plays running amuk

Post by pink » Fri Sep 19, 2014 6:07 pm

A very powerful vibrator. The last one went missing from our 'pony' Sunday night. Apparently it was there at 5:30 am, & gone by 10:00 am when I went looking for it :shock:
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Re: Plug n plays running amuk

Post by lucky420 » Fri Sep 19, 2014 6:15 pm

pink wrote:A very powerful vibrator. The last one went missing from our 'pony' Sunday night. Apparently it was there at 5:30 am, & gone by 10:00 am when I went looking for it :shock:

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Re: Plug n plays running amuk

Post by theCryptofishist » Fri Sep 19, 2014 6:46 pm

Yeah, Scott knew how to drive a Hitachi, and went and bought another when the first one wore out.

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Re: Plug n plays running amuk

Post by pink » Fri Sep 19, 2014 6:49 pm

What I get for not being radically self reliant & bringing my own....
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Post by theCryptofishist » Fri Sep 19, 2014 6:51 pm

I suppose. Still a crappy thing to do. One thief or four?
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Re: Plug n plays running amuk

Post by some seeing eye » Fri Sep 19, 2014 6:51 pm

Camp Gypsy Moonshine joins camp sherpasherpa in the 2014 camp hall of sfhame.
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Are there others?

BTW Hitachi has taken their name off that machine, but are still making it! http://www.engadget.com/2014/08/27/hist ... agic-wand/
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Re: Plug n plays running amuk

Post by Bless » Fri Sep 19, 2014 7:06 pm

some seeing eye wrote:BTW Hitachi has taken their name off that machine, but are still making it! http://www.engadget.com/2014/08/27/hist ... agic-wand/
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Re: Plug n plays running amuk

Post by pink » Fri Sep 19, 2014 10:15 pm

Basshenge is getting crap on Facebook for similar stuff; not delivering what was promised. 2nd year in a row.
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Re: Plug n plays running amuk

Post by groovejedi » Sat Sep 20, 2014 12:30 am

I can't help but just laugh at the hypocrisy and radical self-importance displayed throughout most of this thread. The folks behind Burning Man and on the board of directors are making a killing off of every single burner and yet nobody seems to have a problem with any of that. But as soon as some "rich folks" come in with a plug and play camp, all hell breaks loose.

They profit millions, and each year they jack up ticket prices and find new streams of revenue ($150 scarves, car passes, etc). They are bullies who will do anything to protect their corporate brand but most burners worship them and their 10 commandments and bow down to the flaming corporate logo/idol every year without a care in the world or even a thought of the symbolism.

They capitalize the profits and socialize the costs on the backs of hard working volunteers. Artists take on all of the risk, liability, insurance etc. with very little help from BMorg who then owns EVERYTHING. They choose who gets special preference and who doesn't based on nothing but a popularity contest which wreaks of ego and special interest. Free labor doesn't seem to bother the same people who bitch and complain about minimum wage laws and Walmart not paying their employees a "living wage".

I'm not a huge fan of the plug and play camps but hell, AT LEAST THEY PAY THEIR WORKERS, unlike the BMorg who profits off of free labor while burners cry about exploitation in China and call Sherpas who signed up for the event "slaves". Give me a break. Slaves don't have a choice. Slaves don't earn wages. Slaves don't have the freedom to leave. I don't like the plug and play concept either, but for crying out loud, why is nobody pointing the finger at the fat cats doing the same and worse that are sitting at the top of all of this?

Let's get real, this is big business. Just take a look at the people on the board and where they come from. We are talking about execs at large corporations. If you have a problem with rich plug and play camps, fine. But please check your hypocrisy at the gate and stop giving a pass to the BMorg.

Burn, have a good time. Enjoy yourself and bring your positive energy to the playa. Respect the principles but don't take them so damn seriously like they were written by Jesus Christ himself. If plug and play bothers you, ignore it. If it bothers you THAT much that you CAN'T ignore it ... then you really should start with the BMorg, they are the ultimate rich corporation here. The entire burner community will be much better off when we all wake up and realize that these people DO NOT GIVE A DAMN ABOUT ANY OF US.

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Re: Plug n plays running amuk

Post by kiboy » Sat Sep 20, 2014 1:09 am

Nice rant!!! I really enjoy such outbursts. It's very healthy imo. However I'd like to point out just a couple of things. Within this thread and others on the subject I think some folk have mentioned the fact that the "folks behind Burning Man" have become fat cats from Burning Man. So lets not assume that nobody else shares your insight there. Also, I know a guy personally who comes in to work as an electrician for the set up and he does get paid for his work along with a ticket and a great camp to be part of. So there's that too. For the rest it's a labor of love. I hope to volunteer this year and I know it's going to be gifted to the Man but not just Larry and the BOD will benefit. I hope to benefit everyone including myself. Just to make sure this all doesn't go down as black and white here.

I agree with a lot of what you say however. Maybe most of it. The first thing I noticed on reading the profiles of the BOD is that they were all very successful business people. There was plenty of red fags (oops typo that's "red flags") for me seeing how they were making those bucks in the world. And what was glaringly absent was a little guy or three to represent that level of the economic spectrum. The BOD I belonged to had an employee position on the Board to insure there was a voice for the guy on the ground so to speak. That's how I got on the BOD. I was that guy. I was able to exert some influence there. Yeah, I'm concerned there are only wealthy people on the BM BOD. I really don't know what can be done about that or if anything should.

Not everyone is concerned about the "rich" getting their P&Ps but rather how it's done and if they are actually theme camps and getting theme camp privileges are they actually being theme camps along with other possibly valid concerns.

I appreciate your input. I' think that if this and other discussions are heard by those running the show it may give them pause to evaluate the role P&Ps are playing and if that if there are abuses there they should be fixed and made right. That's the most one can hope for I think and that would make this bru ha ha of value to future Burns.

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Re: Plug n plays running amuk

Post by geospyder » Sat Sep 20, 2014 8:21 am

Warning warning - repeat post :-)

Rambling...

Some people change their own oil and get great satisfaction that they did it themselves.

Some people change their own oil because they can't afford to pay to have it changed.

Some people pay to have their oil changed strictly for convenience.

Some people pay to have their oil changed because they have no idea nor inclination on how to do it themselves.

How the oil is changed doesn't make the person good or bad.

Now if you drain the oil on the street and leave the empty cans there as you drive away - that is another story.

End of rambling...
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Re: Plug n plays running amuk

Post by Just_Joe » Sat Sep 20, 2014 9:03 am

There will be an oil shortage next year. Should the oil go first to people with connections?

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Re: Plug n plays running amuk

Post by kiboy » Sat Sep 20, 2014 9:39 am

Only if I'm connected.

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Re: Plug n plays running amuk

Post by Lonesomebri » Sat Sep 20, 2014 9:06 pm

geospyder wrote:...How the oil is changed doesn't make the person good or bad.
Now if you drain the oil on the street and leave the empty cans there as you drive away - that is another story.
End of rambling...
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Re: Plug n plays running amuk

Post by Simon of the Playa » Mon Oct 20, 2014 8:30 am

Roberto Dobbisano wrote:Profit? Ick! Prophetic...


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Post by Simon of the Playa » Tue Oct 21, 2014 7:45 am



nice bar...


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Post by Roberto Dobbisano » Tue Oct 21, 2014 7:52 am

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you know....this video is making more and more sense...


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Re: Plug n plays running amuk

Post by forty_eight » Tue Oct 21, 2014 11:34 am

Paid staff still rankles me.

Participants gift their work. Staff is paid for their work.

You can map out principle exceptions if that's your thing, but it seems problematic.

And totally lame.

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Re: Plug n plays running amuk

Post by Jackass » Tue Oct 21, 2014 12:29 pm

forty_eight wrote:
You can map out principle exceptions if that's your thing, but it seems problematic.

And totally lame.
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Re: Plug n plays running amuk

Post by TomServo » Wed Oct 22, 2014 2:03 am

forty_eight wrote:Paid staff still rankles me.

Participants gift their work. Staff is paid for their work.

You can map out principle exceptions if that's your thing, but it seems problematic.

And totally lame.
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Post by Simon of the Playa » Wed Oct 22, 2014 5:33 am

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Re: Plug n plays running amuk

Post by Simon of the Playa » Thu Oct 30, 2014 6:05 am

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Re: Plug n plays running amuk

Post by Finnegan » Thu Oct 30, 2014 11:50 pm

The comments section is essentially 100% unanimous. I can't wait for tomorrow's non-response.
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