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Re: DPW pulls a knife on a virgin?

Postby Rice » Thu Sep 07, 2017 3:06 pm

ANON1234 wrote:This is a long thread so I did not read it all.

I just did my first burn and everyone I met except for one was friendly.
Me and a few virgin friends went to the blackhole not knowing what the bar was.
As we went to enter a 20 somthing year old who said he worked at the gate told us to get lost and that we were not welcome.
He was very aggressive/drunk and insulted my Australian friends accent.
After talking to more experienced burners I heard many similar stories.

Having only burned once, I love burning man and the people I met with the exception of DPW staff.
From now on I will avoid DPW staff like racists cops... they both seem to feel that they are better than the group they are not a part of and abuse their authority.
I'm thankful for what DPW staff does.. but I wish they would give a shit about the 10 principles..

If someone who manages DPW staff reads this, I think it would be useful to spend sometime talking to the staff of the 10 principles.


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Re: DPW pulls a knife on a virgin?

Postby Admiral Fukkit » Thu Sep 07, 2017 3:46 pm

Oh yeah right, the ghetto is DPW's place.
But same overall deal.

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Re: DPW pulls a knife on a virgin?

Postby BBadger » Thu Sep 07, 2017 6:26 pm

Yeah, you picked the wrong bar to wander into. So what? It doesn't matter it was DPW's or whomevers. Nobody in any bar or camp, say maybe the coffee bar in Center Camp (and maybe not even that), has any obligation to welcome anyone into their midsts, let alone serve them.

So move along hippie. There were probably over 9000 other bars you could've just wandered off to visit after your sensibilities were offended and gotten on with your burn. Deal with it.
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Re: DPW pulls a knife on a virgin?

Postby Chairman Meow » Sun Sep 10, 2017 11:17 pm

ANON1234 wrote:This is a long thread so I did not read it all.

I just did my first burn and everyone I met except for one was friendly.
Me and a few virgin friends went to the blackhole not knowing what the bar was.
As we went to enter a 20 somthing year old who said he worked at the gate told us to get lost and that we were not welcome.
He was very aggressive/drunk and insulted my Australian friends accent.
After talking to more experienced burners I heard many similar stories.

Having only burned once, I love burning man and the people I met with the exception of DPW staff.
From now on I will avoid DPW staff like racists cops... they both seem to feel that they are better than the group they are not a part of and abuse their authority.
I'm thankful for what DPW staff does.. but I wish they would give a shit about the 10 principles..

If someone who manages DPW staff reads this, I think it would be useful to spend sometime talking to the staff of the 10 principles.


DPW works hard, as do gate/perimeter people, but unfortunately many of them do feel it entitles them to be jerks. DPW tends to be associated with the worst of the stories. I think they revel in being jerks. I'm sorry that happened to you, and I'm also sorry for the lack of understanding you're getting from other posters on this board. It is NOT right, it is NOT fair, but know that it's also not representative of the kind of people you meet on the playa. Over my 7 burns, I can count the number of even mildly negative interactions I've had on one hand. It's been an incredibly welcoming place in my experience, and generally leaves me trying to be a better person to my fellow humans when I return to the default world. But then I also minimize my interactions with DPW... I think you have the right idea looking at them the same way you look at racist cops. You can't change them, but fortunately you generally don't have to interact with them.

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Re: DPW pulls a knife on a virgin?

Postby Admiral Fukkit » Mon Sep 11, 2017 5:24 am

There's zero lack of understanding from other posters.
You and the OP lack understanding about how this works.
DPW isn't soft and sensitive. They're tough and they get shit done mostly as volunteers. They don't owe you shit.

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Re: DPW pulls a knife on a virgin?

Postby unjonharley » Mon Sep 11, 2017 7:23 am

Those nasty DPW people working their ass off to build Black Rock City .. Just so we can come and play and destroy as much of their work as possible in a week.. Then their nasty asses spend a month cleaning up after Burners trash ..
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Re: DPW pulls a knife on a virgin?

Postby vargaso » Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:03 am

Yeah I agree the OP is making too much of this relatively minor interaction. That said, I avoid DPW like the plague. Most entitled bunch out there. Yeah yeah, you VOLUNTEERED to help build out BRC and it gets hot out there. So fucking what? Go tell it to a full-time roofer and see what that gets you.

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Re: DPW pulls a knife on a virgin?

Postby Admiral Fukkit » Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:18 am

Well, the real real truth is if most of them HAD jobs they wouldn't be able to spend a month or three out there in the desert volunteering at a festival. But that's their business.
They do it and they don't have to welcome starry eyed virgin love puppies into their hangout.

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Re: DPW pulls a knife on a virgin?

Postby spacetime » Mon Sep 11, 2017 3:20 pm

The Black Hole is the GP&E (Gate Perimeter and Exodus) Bar - Not DPW

Given this, the least you could have done was complain about gate road while you were there.

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Re: DPW pulls a knife on a virgin?

Postby Chairman Meow » Mon Sep 11, 2017 11:47 pm

Admiral Fukkit wrote:There's zero lack of understanding from other posters.
You and the OP lack understanding about how this works.
DPW isn't soft and sensitive. They're tough and they get shit done mostly as volunteers. They don't owe you shit.


With all due respect, I understand very well "how this works." Hence I steer clear of those assholes. I just don't agree that volunteering entitles you to be an asshole. Unfortunately the OP probably didn't understand that there are people on the playa who revel in being assholes. It's not something that a newbie would be expected to know in a festival that prides itself on "radical inclusion." Nowhere in the survival guide does it tell you, "btw, steer clear of DPW, 'cause they're assholes." But I think the OP has understood those guys very well after his first interaction.

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Re: DPW pulls a knife on a virgin?

Postby Admiral Fukkit » Tue Sep 12, 2017 4:50 am

You don't know how things work.
Radical Self Reliance has become almost a rarity, I'd be curious to know if your friends actually showed up prepared literally as if no one else would be there. I do.
Right at the beginning of Larry's so-called Ten Principles it's stated that they aren't "rules". The DPW was there long before he wrote that junk. Hell so was I.
The whole event wasn't Larry Harvey's idea and he didn't create it. He was merely invited to burn his wooden man there at Cacophony Society's desert party.
Somewhere along the line, people got the idea this was some hippy love-fest.
DPW is famous for their Mad Max ways and catch phrase "fuck yer burn". They sometimes place their own "art piece" right on the inner playa that's nothing but a huge pile of junk that looks as shitty as possible just because they can.
Try this: next time go barging into First Camp any time you want. I mean, of course you'll be radically included anywhere, right?
Radical Inclusion does NOT mean there are no private areas in BRC. Most camps have a public area and a private area. You don't get to just make yourself at home anyplace in BRC.
That bar was somewhat private.

Try using "Freedom Of Speech" to tell a Judge to fuck himself in court.
That stupid Principle only meant your friend was welcome to be an attendee. Not that they can just go into anywhere they want.

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Re: DPW pulls a knife on a virgin?

Postby Chairman Meow » Tue Sep 12, 2017 8:21 am

Admiral Fukkit wrote:You don't know how things work.
Radical Self Reliance has become almost a rarity, I'd be curious to know if your friends actually showed up prepared literally as if no one else would be there. I do. ...


First of all, they're not my friends. I don't know the OP or his friends. I just happen to agree that it's a shitty thing that happened.

Secondly, I do arrive prepared as if no one will be there, even though our camp provides infrastructure. Well, actually that's not true. I arrive prepared as if there will be other people who did not prepare with adequate food, water, and bike tools. Because we can, because gifting, and because I guess I'm just not that jaded about the whole thing.

As a side note, a lot more camps provide infrastructure like food, water, and showers these days, which makes it easier to come unprepared. I'm kind of ambivalent about that, but it's not that much different than radical self reliance. I guess it's sort of a radical community reliance where you're pooling your resources and organizing things in advance so that your group doesn't wind up with tons of rebar but no bacon.

As for the rest, we'll just have to agree to disagree. If default world interpersonal dynamics become the norm at Burning Man, then that will be the time to stop going.

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Re: DPW pulls a knife on a virgin?

Postby Elderberry » Tue Sep 12, 2017 8:34 am

Personally, I've not had any bad interactions with any DPW or Gate staff, though one year they pissed me off when they badly damaged a freezer by walking over it to "inspect" one of our trucks. Though that has seemed to be a one-off incident.

This year, I was amazed by how friendly gate actually was--even smiling!
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Re: DPW pulls a knife on a virgin?

Postby unjonharley » Tue Sep 12, 2017 8:48 am

If you flip the DPW off and tell them fuck you .. You have made a friend of them .. A smile at gate, wins over a grumpy face .. It's YOUR attitude that makes the difference .. TTITD is not all about you ..
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Re: DPW pulls a knife on a virgin?

Postby BBadger » Wed Sep 13, 2017 12:09 am

I liked the gate guy I had. He was making jokes and being real nice. Gave him a couple beers before I left.
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Re: DPW pulls a knife on a virgin?

Postby vargaso » Wed Sep 13, 2017 10:52 am

BBadger wrote:I liked the gate guy I had. He was making jokes and being real nice. Gave him a couple beers before I left.


I've had nothing but good interactions with the gate crew. I've had nothing but tiresome interactions with DPW. Not bad, just kind of tiresome in an eyerolling kind of way. "Hey, we can't wait until you leave!" What the?...oh right, it's DPW. Yes yes, fuck yer burn and all, whatevs. That kind of thing. They're like children, really, best seen and not heard. Run along now, little DPW person! Go be radically annoying to someone who cares!

The pile 'o junk art piece is pretty damn funny, though. I'll give them that.

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Re: DPW pulls a knife on a virgin?

Postby A-RockLeFrench » Wed Sep 13, 2017 11:06 am

spacetime wrote:
The Black Hole is the GP&E (Gate Perimeter and Exodus) Bar - Not DPW

Given this, the least you could have done was complain about gate road while you were there.


Hah!

Nowhere in the rules does it say DPW (or anyone) has to be nice to people. Radical inclusion also means you're included in the DPWs radar to be fucked with.

Burning Man is not a rave nor is it a hippy love fest. It's a post apocalyptic festival in a deadly environment.

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Re: DPW pulls a knife on a virgin?

Postby lucky420 » Wed Sep 13, 2017 12:07 pm

It's a weird camping trip in the desert. If we weren't there DPW wouldn't be either...
Oh my god, it's HUGE!

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Re: DPW pulls a knife on a virgin?

Postby spacetime » Thu Sep 14, 2017 5:21 pm

Most folks keep a fragile truce with dpw.

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Re: DPW pulls a knife on a virgin?

Postby maladroit » Fri Sep 15, 2017 10:39 am

My experiences with DPW: two of the nicest kickass people I know work there. And there was one who pestered us multiple times daily a few years back and threatened to bulldoze an art structure into the burn pit if it wasn't done at the stroke of midnight on Sunday.

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Re: DPW pulls a knife on a virgin?

Postby some seeing eye » Fri Sep 15, 2017 10:55 am

Since everyone is an entitled snowflake today, I welcome DPW badassery. In the old days, if they got mad at you, they would use their heavy machinery to flip your car over, pile it on another or move it someplace inaccessible.

Also in the old days, when people brought people and oriented them, that's how you would find out not to mess with DPW. They are keepers of some core event values, though they have toned down the actions they take.

In the new days, the Internet brings people, who are not oriented, and things like DPW culture are not even in the online manual that no one f*cking reads...

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Re: DPW pulls a knife on a virgin?

Postby Token » Fri Sep 15, 2017 11:05 am

FWIW,

If you build big art, get there weeks before gate ...

DPW are some of the finest folks there iz.

It's a merit based culture based on building cred the right way - hard work.


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