Indeed I am a virgin, I've been searching all over the boards but I have one question to clear up:
I've gotten the vibe that, since it is a communal festival, that if you need help, you kind Burners would help, but it's highly reccomended, which I agree with, that you save your own butt. So, my question is, I'm going to be backpacking with a friend, from Reno up to the event. I can bring everything necessary to survive, yet a gallon of water is approx. 8 pounds, and I can't imagine carrying 80 pounds plus my pack weight.
Is there water for sale at the event? Is it common for Burners to sell among themselves? I know a gift system is in place, and that commerce is for the birds, but this is the variable my backpacking trip depends on. Can I buy 20 gallons of water from someone at the event? Otherwise I suppose I'll drive, which I'd rather not do. Any comments would be helpful and appreciated.
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To put it simply, no. You can not buy water at the event and you must bring everything you need for the event and don't depend on others, except for ice and coffee.
Now, with that out of the way, you might be able to find someone to bring you water to the event. If you have a friend driving to the event, then get them to haul you out some. However, Burningman LLC does not sell water there.
Now, with that out of the way, you might be able to find someone to bring you water to the event. If you have a friend driving to the event, then get them to haul you out some. However, Burningman LLC does not sell water there.
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If you are a virgin, then I'd drive my first time out. I don't care *how* good a survivalist you are, people die out there really fast in that desert. We cart folks out of there on helecopters from getting dehydrated all the time.
If you've lived in Reno for a while (and have lived in the Nevada Outback at all) you know how hazardous the environment is. You want to hike 100 miles in and out (without water) plus spend a week out there? Yiii!!
No one sells stuff out there, with the exception of 2 things (and this by BMOrg) - Ice and Caffenated Beverages. There is NO "underground sales economy" at BRC. None, nein, nichts, nyet, nada.
Also remember - what you pack in you pack out - including trash.
Finally - if in the opinion you are not equipped to spend the week there, the org has the right to turn you around at the gate and send you away. Doesn't happen often, but it does happen. They are not babysitters (no offense) and they will not take responsibility for someone's (pardon my saying it this way) stupidity for not being prepared.
There is a way - it's even somewhere on theis board (I posted it last year) - and it's not hard to figure out. But that's up to you - and to explan to the gate people when they see you show up sans H2O...
Do yourself a favor. Drive up. Bring your water (and everything else). And enjoy the trip. DOn't make the first trip to the playa your last...
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If you've lived in Reno for a while (and have lived in the Nevada Outback at all) you know how hazardous the environment is. You want to hike 100 miles in and out (without water) plus spend a week out there? Yiii!!
No one sells stuff out there, with the exception of 2 things (and this by BMOrg) - Ice and Caffenated Beverages. There is NO "underground sales economy" at BRC. None, nein, nichts, nyet, nada.
Also remember - what you pack in you pack out - including trash.
Finally - if in the opinion you are not equipped to spend the week there, the org has the right to turn you around at the gate and send you away. Doesn't happen often, but it does happen. They are not babysitters (no offense) and they will not take responsibility for someone's (pardon my saying it this way) stupidity for not being prepared.
There is a way - it's even somewhere on theis board (I posted it last year) - and it's not hard to figure out. But that's up to you - and to explan to the gate people when they see you show up sans H2O...
Do yourself a favor. Drive up. Bring your water (and everything else). And enjoy the trip. DOn't make the first trip to the playa your last...
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Hmmm... I’m guessing that you are bringing shelter and enough food to cover yourself for both the trek up there and back and the week of the event. And that you are able to pack the water you need while in transit.
As Cagedkitty pointed out ,you could by ice and melt it down into your water, but you’d better plan on packing enough for your first day there also, since it’ll take the ice a while to melt down and you need lots of water on an ongoing basis. 2 gallons/person/day and that ain’t no joke.
Otherwise, it’s an ambitious plan... use caution and common sense. Think really hard about this before attempting it, because once your out there in the desert, you’re there. And you will receive kindness from strangers.. But if you come in expecting it you’ll be sorely disappointed. I'm not meaning that you are... just felt it needed saying.
Another option is to arrange to have your water/food/etc, brought in by someone else... via barter of work or whatever.
As Cagedkitty pointed out ,you could by ice and melt it down into your water, but you’d better plan on packing enough for your first day there also, since it’ll take the ice a while to melt down and you need lots of water on an ongoing basis. 2 gallons/person/day and that ain’t no joke.
Otherwise, it’s an ambitious plan... use caution and common sense. Think really hard about this before attempting it, because once your out there in the desert, you’re there. And you will receive kindness from strangers.. But if you come in expecting it you’ll be sorely disappointed. I'm not meaning that you are... just felt it needed saying.
Another option is to arrange to have your water/food/etc, brought in by someone else... via barter of work or whatever.
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The secret is out. I recommended it to a biker who was coming in who wanted to have a reserve supply (he was traveling bare bones)...
The 5 gallon collapsable containers work, tho they work better if you can make them a "heat sink" - like painting them black, putting a mirrored surface (mylar) under it, etc... You want that to heat up as fast as possible. They alsocan take 2 days to start producing water in any quantity. A new sun shower will work well as well.
What worried me most was the original poster is a virgin burner, and sounded like they were setting themselves up to get themselves in **way** over their head way fast. That scares the hell out of me. That trek to Gerlach from Reno is long and adruous, not counting the lack of facilities or water between the 2. Add to this the logistics of a week of Black Rock City (a challenge in it's own right) and you can see my concern.
That's wy I suggested the person drive there - at least the first time. That way the week is an easy figure for next year - all they need to do then is figure the long, hot, dry-ass hike there and back. Until they've been at BRC it's hard to guess what you'll need or not.
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The 5 gallon collapsable containers work, tho they work better if you can make them a "heat sink" - like painting them black, putting a mirrored surface (mylar) under it, etc... You want that to heat up as fast as possible. They alsocan take 2 days to start producing water in any quantity. A new sun shower will work well as well.
What worried me most was the original poster is a virgin burner, and sounded like they were setting themselves up to get themselves in **way** over their head way fast. That scares the hell out of me. That trek to Gerlach from Reno is long and adruous, not counting the lack of facilities or water between the 2. Add to this the logistics of a week of Black Rock City (a challenge in it's own right) and you can see my concern.
That's wy I suggested the person drive there - at least the first time. That way the week is an easy figure for next year - all they need to do then is figure the long, hot, dry-ass hike there and back. Until they've been at BRC it's hard to guess what you'll need or not.
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Certainly they sell water! They sell it in easy to carry 5 pound blocks for $2. Sheesh.MrMullen wrote: However, Burningman LLC does not sell water there.
If you run short of H2O, hoof it over to Camp Arctica, pony up for a block of ice (cubes melt faster!) toss it in a container in the sun and voila! Perfectly Potable Water.
Or, by Friday, people will be GIVING water away, they'll have brought so much of it. Folks always bring WAY too much water. (Now is when the smart-ass-wise-guy speaks up to say his water ran out on the way home, he had it figured so well...) Even DPW starts refusing water donations after the first exodus day (so donate your water early!!)
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You should go, but drive! Hiking in seems stupid. No offence, I know you have not been before.
I need at least 2 or 3 trunks of clothes and costumes and food (a cooler or two..) and goodies to be comfortable. Not to mention a good, large, shade structure. There is no way I would want to hike in and spend my week living out of a backpack.
I need at least 2 or 3 trunks of clothes and costumes and food (a cooler or two..) and goodies to be comfortable. Not to mention a good, large, shade structure. There is no way I would want to hike in and spend my week living out of a backpack.
It any desert there is no such thing as.....
TOO MUCH WATER!!
Having lived in 3 deserts, here is a consideration: Your body will lose up to 4 gallons a day. This depletes the electrolites of the body causing havoc!
I myself, alone, had my Subaru Legacy jam packed and the roof rack filled with stuff and I brought adequate amounts of everything. I asked everybody who was a highly experienced burner about what exactly I should take and not take. I was told by several Burners to read and then read again several times the page called "Radical Self-Reliance" My cost of all the things I needed totalled out at around $1500. This was excluding the cost of the ticket. Burning Man I believe is a place for contributors not
default world needy people. Certainly, almost all Burners will do what it takes to babysit someone, yet can you think of how much better the event is when people bring gifts and contribute their time to making the event more of a success? Have you asked the question: "What exactly am I going to bring to Burning Man to CONTRIBUTE to the experience?"
Genuinely,
Jedi Dale Of Reno
(Comments, gripes, rants, raves, and cudos are all welcomed!)
Having lived in 3 deserts, here is a consideration: Your body will lose up to 4 gallons a day. This depletes the electrolites of the body causing havoc!
I myself, alone, had my Subaru Legacy jam packed and the roof rack filled with stuff and I brought adequate amounts of everything. I asked everybody who was a highly experienced burner about what exactly I should take and not take. I was told by several Burners to read and then read again several times the page called "Radical Self-Reliance" My cost of all the things I needed totalled out at around $1500. This was excluding the cost of the ticket. Burning Man I believe is a place for contributors not
default world needy people. Certainly, almost all Burners will do what it takes to babysit someone, yet can you think of how much better the event is when people bring gifts and contribute their time to making the event more of a success? Have you asked the question: "What exactly am I going to bring to Burning Man to CONTRIBUTE to the experience?"
Genuinely,
Jedi Dale Of Reno
(Comments, gripes, rants, raves, and cudos are all welcomed!)
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