an american animal on the hunt

Simon of the Playa · Post by **Simon of the Playa** » Sat Nov 22, 2008 5:27 pm

DANDY!

Captain Goddammit · Post by **Captain Goddammit** » Sat Nov 22, 2008 7:24 pm

AnAmericanAnimal wrote:I apologize to those who have put some thought into your comments, I just get immensely annoyed by those who donâ€™t actually say anything constructive because if you really do have a complaint fucking articulate it in a way that I can do something about it or fuck off. Youâ€™re a waist of life and you are sucking more of it out of those who mite have a chance of cultivating some for themselves. Thats not fair I guess because your always hopefully contributing life to something even if its in your lack of it.

You haven't said much yourself except to quote others. The only time you offer up your own material, it's golden nuggets of vitriol like that one.

AnAmericanAnimal · Post by **AnAmericanAnimal** » Sat Nov 22, 2008 7:45 pm

"I was thinking about aesthetics and that I had never thought about the fact that it is not just talking about the visual pleasure(beauty) of something but also its smell, texture, and even our hearing. From here I was led to the realization that animals with no reflective capabilities would only have an aesthetic taste (like one would have good taste in art) while the human animal has an inner taste, an expressive taste, and what would seem to be an infinite possibility of tastes even though we work from the same aesthetic base as other animals. This may be why some people are so dull, lack depth, and why looking hard within ones self and exploring all sides of sensation(life) both pain and pleasure and both inner sensations(infinite) and outer sensations(also infinite) would make one interesting and the only way to develop a style to ones character."

there was one thing I most definitely said which is just one of many things I have said that is my own on here thus far, have even specifically asked people what they have meant by things and so on. So blow it out your ass there mr. goddammit:)

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Sat Nov 22, 2008 7:56 pm

He should strive to be the ship of quiet peace in the tumult that you are, Captain, an island of calm that quiets the roughest seas.

Perhaps you have some insight of the writings of Ð“ÐµÐ¾Ñ€Ð³Ð¸Ð¹ Ð˜Ð²Ð°Ð½Ð¾Ð²Ð¸Ñ‡ Ð“ÑŽÑ€Ð´Ð¶Ð¸ÐµÐ²? (Gurdjiev)
Once I get beyond Meetings With Remarkable Men, I lose any underlying meaning.

Or I could just consider the ruminations of Oswald Osbourne...

littleflower · Post by **littleflower** » Sat Nov 22, 2008 7:58 pm

AnAmericanAnimal wrote: I was led to the realization that animals with no reflective capabilities would only have an aesthetic taste (like one would have good taste in art) while the human animal has an inner taste, an expressive taste, and what would seem to be an infinite possibility of tastes even though we work from the same aesthetic base as other animals.

there are a few people around here who would suggest that good taste in art is reflective as well as (or even more than) aesthetic.

i must add that i have never seen a non-human animal that seemed even remotely interested in art ....

are you for real? methinks you must be simon's sock or something.

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Sat Nov 22, 2008 8:14 pm

littleflower · Post by **littleflower** » Sat Nov 22, 2008 8:36 pm

are we bored this evening, yg?

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Sat Nov 22, 2008 8:38 pm

knocking........

AnAmericanAnimal · Post by **AnAmericanAnimal** » Sat Nov 22, 2008 8:59 pm

When I said "(like one would have a taste in art)" it was to clarify that I didn't mean taste as in to taste food:) not that animals have a taste in art like human beings. All I was saying is animals have no reflective taste only a base level aesthetic taste. I put that in there because I have had a lot of people make the mistake of thinking I meant like one would taste food.
I was simply trying to say that animals critique their environment on purely an aesthetic level not a reflective.
In other words you are spot on with your critique (even though it was a critiquing of something I wasn't saying or at least wasn't trying to say) so I will have to think of how to rephrase that so people don't make that mistake. Any suggestions are more than welcome:)

AnAmericanAnimal · Post by **AnAmericanAnimal** » Sat Nov 22, 2008 9:00 pm

What is this sock business by the way?

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Sat Nov 22, 2008 9:07 pm

AnAmericanAnimal wrote:What is this sock business by the way?

he asks coyley............

AnAmericanAnimal · Post by **AnAmericanAnimal** » Sat Nov 22, 2008 9:24 pm

Iâ€™ve never herd of Gurdjiev but he sounds interesting and I will have to write it down and pick up some of his stuff. For those who are not familiar here is a little Wikipedia excerpt for yah to get an idea of the man. I can say without having read him that the frame work of his idea of the mind body relationship is very very similar to Nietzsche and probably surprisingly to some of you, Marx.
Ooo I have not got a chance to actually read some of Theodor Adornoâ€™s works only some essays and articles but he has some amazing ideas on what the capitalist system does to people and how it is used as a tool for power and it is also built out of a similar structure that Gurdjiev puts forth. Also a nice flip side of the argument he presents come from Walter Benjamin. Both have some beautiful critiques of art and it's meaning in to days society.

The main idea is there is no separation between mind and body nor materialism and idealism.

Now for the meat and potatoes and for you to make up your own damn mind on what this means:)

â€œIn his early lectures G.I. Gurdjieff described his approach to self-development as a Fourth Way.[1] In contrast to the three eastern teachings that emphasize the development of the body, mind, or the emotions separately, Gurdjieff's exercises worked on all three at the same time to promote comprehensive and balanced inner development.

Criticism of Gurdjieff's system largely focuses on his insistence that people are "asleep" in a state closely resembling "hypnotic sleep." Gurdjieff said, even specifically at times, that a pious, good, and moral man was no more "spiritually developed" than any other person; they are all equally "asleep."
The primary criticism of Gurdjieff's work is that it attaches no value to almost everything that comprises the life of an average man. According to Gurdjieff, everything an "average man" possesses, accomplishes, does, and feels is completely accidental and without any initiative.
In his most elaborate writing, Beelzebub's Tales to His Grandson (see bibliography), Gurdjieff records his reverence for the founders of the mainstream religions of East and West and his contempt by and large for what successive generations of believers have made of those religious teachings. His ironical discussions of "orthodoxhydooraki" and "heterodoxhydooraki"--orthodox fools and heterodox fools, from a Russian word -- position him as a critic of religious distortion and, in turn, as a target for criticism from some within those traditions. Gurdjieff has been interpreted by some to have had a total disregard for the value of mainstream religion, philanthropic work, and the value of doing right or wrong in general. â€œ

I think I will like this man very much.

ibdave · Post by **ibdave** » Sat Nov 22, 2008 10:22 pm

AnAmericanAnimal wrote:What is this sock business by the way?

Are you sure you not "REX"?? the spelling errors are about right, but Rex said original things.

Rex is from way back...way way back

Post by **Elderberry** » Sat Nov 22, 2008 11:00 pm

Who gives a rat's ass. This shit is boring, boring, boring. It's like all the pointless diacussions in a 101 class in college. Might not be bad if we were all on shrums or something, at least I wouldn't care that it was boring.

JK

AnAmericanAnimal · Post by **AnAmericanAnimal** » Sat Nov 22, 2008 11:08 pm

(in ridiculously snobbish voice) yes ibdave I'm sure you hear people talk about aesthetics in that way all the time (insert sarcasm)

ZenDragon · Post by **ZenDragon** » Sun Nov 23, 2008 7:09 am

At moments like these I like to refer to the age old adage, which remains true still. I even have an image to illustrate the point, as insensitive as it might be.

Captain Goddammit · Post by **Captain Goddammit** » Sun Nov 23, 2008 9:42 am

So Mr. American Animal... you're gonna show up at the Meet-n-Greet? I can't wait.

Simon of the Playa · Post by **Simon of the Playa** » Sun Nov 23, 2008 9:49 am

i certainly dont wear socks with holes in them...

and i can speel, two.

no, guessing by his syntax and vocabulary, we actually have a BRITISH animal here, or a wanna be anglo-phile who perhaps watches a mite too much Masterpiece theatre on PBS.

whatever the case may be, sock or no sock, puppet or master, it's increasingly clear that it's all Yadda Yadda Yadda.

i thought it was lurker, but he's actually morphed into Arminius.

Cant you people just be yourselves? I am Simon, of the PLAYA and i will always be Simon of the Playa, i dont need no stinkin' socks for MY Gucci's.

Now lets Burn some Philosophy Books.

Post by **Elderberry** » Sun Nov 23, 2008 9:49 am

Captain Goddammit wrote:So Mr. American Animal... you're gonna show up at the Meet-n-Greet? I can't wait.

The Meet-n-Greet??? Don't you have to actually "go" to BM to attend? LOL

JK

Post by **Elderberry** » Sun Nov 23, 2008 9:51 am

ZenDragon wrote:At moments like these I like to refer to the age old adage, which remains true still. I even have an image to illustrate the point, as insensitive as it might be.

I love that photo and the quote. PC or not. Someone used it on me right here on eplaya! It's funny and so true.

JK

Simon of the Playa · Post by **Simon of the Playa** » Sun Nov 23, 2008 9:53 am

if this douchebag promises to show up to the meet and greet, i will camp at doc pyros just so i dont miss it.

like the night i waited outside in the freezing rain for my front row Beyonce Tickets.

some things are worth the wait.

Sensei · Post by **Sensei** » Sun Nov 23, 2008 12:44 pm

I think you guys are just jealous 'cause he called me a "mother fucker" first. Which naturally got me to thinkin' (a step down from 'philosophisin')...

So, um, University of Phoenix... Did your mother ever live in Seattle? In the early eighties? Did she ever attend a Ted Nugent concert at Hec Ed Pavillion dressed as Jane (ya' know, like Tarzan and Jane)? Did she somehow/someway make it backstage for that concert? If the answers to these questions are affirmative, then...

SON!!!!

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Sun Nov 23, 2008 12:58 pm

People used to mistake me for Ted Nugent all the time.
Probably the hair.

AnAmericanAnimal · Post by **AnAmericanAnimal** » Sun Nov 23, 2008 1:42 pm

to sensei

Dady!? \o/

AnAmericanAnimal · Post by **AnAmericanAnimal** » Sun Nov 23, 2008 1:44 pm

To all

I'm sure you are all a much more lovable group o fuckers on the playa, there tends to be a lack of warmth in cyber space.

Sensei · Post by **Sensei** » Sun Nov 23, 2008 2:03 pm

AnAmericanAnimal wrote:I'm sure you are all a much more lovable group o fuckers on the playa, there tends to be a lack of warmth in cyber space.

Bingo! I knew you could do it. I'm so proud right this minute...

Son!

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Sun Nov 23, 2008 2:14 pm

Sensei wrote:
AnAmericanAnimal wrote:I'm sure you are all a much more lovable group o fuckers on the playa, there tends to be a lack of warmth in cyber space.
Bingo! I knew you could do it. I'm so proud right this minute...

Son!

congrats Sensei.....

he's a bright boy, no wonder you call him Sun..........

fciron · Post by **fciron** » Sun Nov 23, 2008 3:56 pm

gyre wrote:People used to mistake me for Ted Nugent all the time.
Probably the hair.

...and the guns?

Simon of the Playa · Post by **Simon of the Playa** » Sun Nov 23, 2008 4:29 pm

ted's an avid bow hunter.

AnAmericanAnimal · Post by **AnAmericanAnimal** » Sun Nov 23, 2008 10:36 pm

And lets not foreget, a tad crazy.