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Postby MozyBonz » Wed Mar 26, 2008 9:10 pm

CompManCB wrote:There is so much offered at Burning Man. What seem to be unparalleled experiences. And as such, I am excited for what's in store, even if it does impact the environment to an extent. I think all of you recognize this, but the intrinsic value of the Burning Man experience is worth such minimal a sacrifice, right?

I'm glad to have found this forum because there is so much more to Burning Man than the "performance" or event, per se. Here is where many of the issues surrounding and relating to the event, can be discussed. All of what you say has merit. Also, I don't believe that I'm spouting lies simply because I've never been to this event (though I know many who have). I'd like to believe that I'm an educated individual; in no way am I saying anything new. It appears that everyone here knows how to recycle.

Dork, I refer you to the following reputable link in response to your retort: http://www.sierraclub.org/wildlands/black_rock.asp. Also, you're right; it's all about the motive. Every action we make has a motive. The motive here is money. Related to that, and to theCryptofishist's comments, check this article out: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... JRFGB6.DTL

Let me just say that I can appreciate people who are passionate about their role in the Burning Man community and also in the larger global arena. People who are aware of their responsibility to society and to the environment are, in my mind, ideal burners.

I don't know what to expect at Burning Man, but that's part of the fun. Meeting all of you there would be a treat because you could teach me a thing or two. I guess, ultimately I'm playing the devil's advocate here. I don't think anyone who has responded to this form, other than our dear wonderhope, would openly admit here that what they are doing by purchasing a ticket and participating in this event, is contributing to a problem that we now face and will continue to deal with for the unforeseeable future.

motskyroonmatick, I can't wait to tell you about my experience. It's going to fantastic!


HUH?
To all the newbies its a fucking camping trip. Larry is just a guy in a fucking hat. When you get there you're either going to get it or you're not. Get over it!

no wait burning sucks don't go...stay at home. you wont like it.

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Postby CompManCB » Wed Mar 26, 2008 9:19 pm

Haha...good shot Mozy. You're not getting rid of any of us pot smoking newbs.

You get out of it what you put into it. Same with a camping trip. Having high hopes for personal growth is a person choice.

Don't let your wisdom tread on those of a younger generation, shaman. You need to be a teacher, not a trasher.

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Postby MozyBonz » Wed Mar 26, 2008 9:39 pm

silly newbie wrote:You're not getting rid of any of us


but you see this may really be the desired effect that I am after.

never can tell with me.

I may show you whats in my right hand but want you to take what I wont show you in my left hand.

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burning sucks don't go...stay at home. you wont like it.


By the way I wasn't kidding about bloody Jesus. be prepared for Burning man to be nothing like you have read about it. no one here can explain it to you
and some that have gone never get it.

So I really mean this survival is your number one priority every thing else is just sprinkles on top "have fun see ya there.


no wait burning sucks don't go...stay at home. you wont like it. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Postby Dork » Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:14 pm

CompManCB wrote:Dork, I refer you to the following reputable link in response to your retort: http://www.sierraclub.org/wildlands/black_rock.asp.

In case it wasn't clear, the event takes place on the playa and there's little impact from the event on the trails, springs, etc, which are what that letter talks about. Burners have been active in helping restore the springs, which the letter advocates. The surrounding hills have an ecosystem, but that's not where we camp. The playa itself is about as lifeless as it gets.

That money article has nothing to do with what we're talking about. I'm not going to try to follow your attempts to change the subject.

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Postby CompManCB » Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:44 pm

It's all good!

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Re: stop burning man

Postby thirt33n » Thu Mar 27, 2008 12:13 am

Eric wrote:
wonderhope wrote:Please stop your event. I will do everything in my power to see that it is stopped!!!!!


Good luck with that windmill, Quixote.



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Postby thirt33n » Thu Mar 27, 2008 12:17 am

theCryptofishist wrote:I don't think the event is particularly green either, but I'm not sure that it's any less green than other vacations.




...YEAH! NASCAR isn't green!

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Postby gyre » Thu Mar 27, 2008 12:51 am

Successful race engines are on the efficient side actually and cleaner than you would think.
Efficiency is power.
Autobahn studies show that at high speeds, one type of pollution goes up but the other comes down.
Pollution per mile is pretty consistent at 70 or 150.
Heavily loaded engines are more efficient than under light load.

A Formula One engine is probably cleaner than a street car.

Energy and other logistics all track back to population, the real issue.
Everything else is misdirected.
"Everything is more wonderful when you do it with a car, don't you think?"
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Postby Kinetik V » Thu Mar 27, 2008 6:49 am

thirt33n wrote:
...YEAH! NASCAR isn't green!

word, fish


That's not to say they're not trying to make positive changes. This year saw the changeover from leaded to unleaded fuel....here's a NY Times article on the subject.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/20/sport ... ascar.html

I'm so tempted to launch into a long missive on this because it's a subject I've studied since I was barely a teenager...let's just say that racing has helped bring innovative new ideas back to the production line for manufacturers over the years and leave it at that. It's actually greener under the surface than it appears. Too often though people view NASCAR through glasses tinted with stereotypes or glazed by media spin and they never dig deeper to find out what's really going on. It's a damn shame too.
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Postby thirt33n » Thu Mar 27, 2008 8:30 am

....and the rednecks in y'all come out!

i love it.
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Postby Simon of the Playa » Thu Mar 27, 2008 9:08 am

The Burning Man 500...

an extremely low-speed art car race.

now that's american.
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Postby gyre » Thu Mar 27, 2008 9:36 am

thirt33n wrote:....and the rednecks in y'all come out!

i love it.

Funny.
You have a picture with fire and you bring up rednecks?
Rednecks love fire.

Nascar is dull to watch, but it is more difficult to drive than it appears.
The cars are far more sophisticated than they appear as well.
I love to watch Pro-Rally and unlimited road racing myself.
My car is built for road racing.


Racing is life.
Everything else is waiting.
"Everything is more wonderful when you do it with a car, don't you think?"

-girl by the fire, watching a tree moved by car bumper in the bonfire



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Postby theCryptofishist » Thu Mar 27, 2008 6:10 pm

I'm guessing speed week is NOT LNT, however. And those race cars are moved from track to track on trailers, are they not.

Well, thank you for the info on NASCAR, however. (Can I at least get a little credit for going "oh, yeah, I see that"?)

And I read that article in the print edition. Once again, scratch the surface and you're looking at really lazy reporting.
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Postby gyre » Thu Mar 27, 2008 7:53 pm

"Everything is more wonderful when you do it with a car, don't you think?"

-girl by the fire, watching a tree moved by car bumper in the bonfire



It would be a shame if I had to resort to self-deception to preserve my faith in objective reality.

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It's Westinghouse Time!

Postby gyre » Sat Mar 29, 2008 9:24 pm

I think the question of how green burning man is, is summed up by the idea that we could heat up a million poptarts with the energy consumed.
I do like the idea of plugging directly into the grid somehow appealing.
Dr Megavolt maybe?
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Postby theCryptofishist » Sat Mar 29, 2008 10:34 pm

Okay, the demolition and rebuild of a good sized office building is going to consume more energy and release more than that. And how many demolitions are there every day in this country?
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Postby Captain Goddammit » Sun Mar 30, 2008 10:25 am

gyre wrote: we could heat up a million poptarts with the energy consumed.


Shit, you had to put it that way, huh...
Pop-Tarts are one of nature's perfect foods. Especially UN-frosted strawberry... toasted... with a little butter on them... Maybe we SHOULD stop BurningMan!
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Postby mdmf007 » Sun Mar 30, 2008 10:41 am

I like pop tarts.

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Postby ragabashpup » Sun Mar 30, 2008 11:21 am

must bring pop tarts to the playa...yummm pop tarts

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Postby Simon of the Playa » Sun Mar 30, 2008 11:56 am

how about strawberry top parts?

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Postby thirt33n » Sun Mar 30, 2008 1:45 pm

man, BRC Redneck Art Car Drag Race?

I think it'd attract a crowd....

must have mullet and cold cold beer




...oh oh, big thoughts are brewing. *note to self* 2008 on a shoestring or not at all
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Postby Captain Goddammit » Sun Mar 30, 2008 3:40 pm

thirt33n wrote:man, BRC Redneck Art Car Drag Race?

I think it'd attract a crowd....



Oh shit, definitely don't start that! But if you do I'm definitely building a new race, uh, I mean art car!
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Postby Ugly Dougly » Mon Mar 31, 2008 12:09 pm

Burningman is Sept 6 this year, with free beer and girls gone wild. See ya there dude!

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end burning man

Postby killburningman » Wed Apr 02, 2008 2:44 pm

I absolutely agree that this event is twisted. This is filth disguised under the art umbrella. Most of the activities are illegal and illicit. I will also do what I can to close this down.

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Postby gyre » Wed Apr 02, 2008 2:59 pm

Illegal AND illicit?
Enlighten us.

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Postby AntiM » Wed Apr 02, 2008 3:10 pm

Huh, I've never done anything illegal out there. Illict? Perhaps, but certainly not unlawful. Boring, fat, non-smoking, non-drug using, non-naked, monogamous, voter-veteran-home owner-homemaker. Heck, I don't even litter. Oh wait, most of us don't.

Welcome to the eplaya. Be prepared to explain your views logically and in detail.

And here I thought this thread would just die. Sheesh.
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Postby Ugly Dougly » Wed Apr 02, 2008 3:17 pm

It's supposed to be

Stop the burning, man!

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Postby gyre » Wed Apr 02, 2008 3:52 pm

illicit
Not sanctioned by custom or law; unlawful.

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Re: end burning man

Postby theCryptofishist » Wed Apr 02, 2008 4:47 pm

killburningman wrote:I absolutely agree that this event is twisted. This is filth disguised under the art umbrella. Most of the activities are illegal and illicit. I will also do what I can to close this down.
Many have tried. Sooner or later they all give up.
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Postby MozyBonz » Wed Apr 02, 2008 4:52 pm

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