UTAH rave Busted by SWAT team...video included

MoisturePup · Post by **MoisturePup** » Wed Aug 24, 2005 6:20 pm

ZaphodBurner wrote:What you need to do is allow yourself to give up the party for a bit and do some surveillance work.

You say this happens everywhere? Fine. That's like seeing people are abducted by aliens everywhere. What we want is proof, not black helicopter stories. You wanna beat big brother, you gotta be big brother. Start watching.

The enviromentalists in the Pacific Northwest, during the timber salvage rider, were infiltrated by timber industry operatives and hired goons (turns out I used to play paintball with one of 'em), undercover police, etc. My participation in protecting the environment was helping identify these people, secretly, so they could be spotted at future events, and having the equipment ready in case something went down.

I'll spare you dozens of stories, but ultimately it took Republican-looking shorthairs like me sitting around with scanners, radios, video and still cameras, etc. You get -enough- evidence and learn to avoid using words like "nazi" and "warzone" and you'll get people's attention through hard proof.

Get yourself an X-10 wireless camera(s), a remote recorder well away from the potential raid-zone, and some microphones. If the police show up, start recording.

It may take hours of recording and lots of raids to get what you want, but it only took one guy's camera to blow the Rodney King story wide open.

At Warner Creek the environmentalists had a secret tree stand with a video camera and a zipline running down into a valley. When the police showed up, the camera started, the tape was put in a bag and shot down teh zipline over everybody's heads, and retrieved later. The police arrested a local news photographer, opened his camera and exposed the film and that action turned the scrutiny back on the police. Too bad somebody didn't have video of what went down though, huh?

...'cause the folks who should have been up in the tree stand were hanging out at the anarchist warehouse in Eugene or smoking cigarettes with their friends down on the road. As a result, the longest-running blockade of a federal road since the Civil War went down in a matter of minutes, 'cause the folks who were hanging out there consuming the donated food failed to get good video. (Mostly. There's some very dramatic video out there.)

Good luck.
-c

Thank you for this excellent response! These are some really good ideas, and I hope that somebody takes you up on it.

MoisturePup · Post by **MoisturePup** » Wed Aug 24, 2005 6:46 pm

Something that I found very incriminating is the press release from the Utah County Sheriff's department. Here is the very first paragraph:

During the summer of 2005 the Utah County Sheriff's Office has seen an increase in the number of large Rave parties that have occurred within Utah County. Approximately four weeks ago the Sheriff's Office became aware of another possible Rave party that was to occur somewhere in Utah County on August 20, 2005. --Source: http://www.co.utah.ut.us/News/NewsDetails.asp?ID=17759

It would seem from the first paragraph alone that the fact that it was a "Rave" party was reason enough to bust it. Raves are a form of self expression and therefore protected under the first amendment. Had this been a secret symphony event do you think that the same thing would have happened?

Next quote...

From several previous experiences with Rave parties of this size, a large amount of drug use and underage consumption of alcohol occur. In addition reports of sexual assaults, overdoses, firearm violations, vehicle burglaries, and numerous individuals drive from the party under the influence of alcohol and or drugs.

Utah County Sheriff's Office Detectives interviewed several females that had attended a prior rave party in the Utah county area in the past month that had been sexual assaulted. These females stated that the combination of drugs and alcohol made them fear for their safety due to the groping and sexual assaults that occurred during the Rave party. In the last year alone one near fatal shooting was investigated by Utah County Sheriff's Office at a similar party.

What we have here is the sheriff saying that previous unrelated Rave events provided justification for busting the people at this event. Which, and I may be wrong here, is bullshit.

Let's try some other test cases here involving prior conduct:

People have died on freeways in car crashes. Nobody should be allowed to drive on freeways.

People have been known to do drugs and die in hospitals. Nobody should be allowed to go to a hospital.

Teenagers have been known to do drugs. Nobody should be allowed to be a teenager.

Muslims have been known to fly planes into buildings. Muslims should not be allowed to board airplanes.

dragonfly Jafe · Post by **dragonfly Jafe** » Wed Aug 24, 2005 9:12 pm

Except for a few cases, there is no call to action here, just an attempt to create an atmosphere of Fear. Kind of like pissing your bed - not too effective in the long run, but it gives you a short term warm feeling.

jennifer6 · Post by **jennifer6** » Wed Aug 24, 2005 9:40 pm

[quote="MoisturePup"]Something that I found very incriminating is the press release from the Utah County Sheriff's department. Here is the very first paragraph:

[quote]During the summer of 2005 the Utah County Sheriff's Office has seen an increase in the number of large Rave parties that have occurred within Utah County. Approximately four weeks ago the Sheriff's Office became aware of another possible Rave party that was to occur somewhere in Utah County on August 20, 2005. --Source: [url]http://www.co.utah.ut.us/News/NewsDetails.asp?ID=17759[/url] [/quote]

It would seem from the first paragraph alone that the fact that it was a "Rave" party was reason enough to bust it. Raves are a form of self expression and therefore protected under the first amendment. Had this been a secret symphony event do you think that the same thing would have happened?

Next quote...
[quote]From several previous experiences with Rave parties of this size, a large amount of drug use and underage consumption of alcohol occur. In addition reports of sexual assaults, overdoses, firearm violations, vehicle burglaries, and numerous individuals drive from the party under the influence of alcohol and or drugs.

Utah County Sheriff's Office Detectives interviewed several females that had attended a prior rave party in the Utah county area in the past month that had been sexual assaulted. These females stated that the combination of drugs and alcohol made them fear for their safety due to the groping and sexual assaults that occurred during the Rave party. In the last year alone one near fatal shooting was investigated by Utah County Sheriff's Office at a similar party.[/quote]

What we have here is the sheriff saying that previous unrelated Rave events provided justification for busting the people at this event. Which, and I may be wrong here, is bullshit.

Let's try some other test cases here involving prior conduct:

People have died on freeways in car crashes. Nobody should be allowed to drive on freeways.

People have been known to do drugs and die in hospitals. Nobody should be allowed to go to a hospital.

Teenagers have been known to do drugs. Nobody should be allowed to be a teenager.

Muslims have been known to fly planes into buildings. Muslims should not be allowed to board airplanes.[/quote]

What you qouted was the Sheriff's probable cause. Seems like they had there ducks in a row.

MoisturePup · Post by **MoisturePup** » Wed Aug 24, 2005 11:39 pm

jennifer6 wrote:
What you qouted was the Sheriff's probable cause. Seems like they had there ducks in a row.

Previous unrelated events can't be used as probable cause. If that were the case the police could raid every house with a family of four in a neighborhood simply because they were all families of four, just like the crystal meth manufacturing house that blew up two blocks over.

dj_john69 · Post by **dj_john69** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 3:02 am

Check out this website, interesting reading about the party that got busted by those nazi pigs in UTAH.

http://www.music-versus-guns.org/

joel the ornery · Post by **joel the ornery** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 6:51 am

better yet, check out this website.

ACLU Know Your Rights: What to do if You're Stopped by the Police

Think carefully about your words, movement, body language, and emotions.

Don't get into an argument with the police.

Remember, anything you say or do can be used against you.

Keep your hands where the police can see them.

Don't run. Don't touch any police officer.

Don't resist even if you believe you are innocent.

Don't complain on the scene or tell the police they're wrong or that you're going to file a complaint.

Do not make any statements regarding the incident. Ask for a lawyer immediately upon your arrest.

Remember officers' badge & patrol car numbers.

Write down everything you remember ASAP.

Try to find witnesses & their names & phone numbers.

If you are injured, take photographs of the injuries as soon as possible, but make sure you seek medical attention first.

If you feel your rights have been violated, file a written complaint with police department's internal affairs division or civilian complaint board.

KEEP THIS CARD HANDY!
IF YOU HAVE A POLICE ENCOUNTER, YOU CAN PROTECT YOURSELF.

Post by **AntiM** » Fri Aug 26, 2005 5:34 am

The "No fun for You" progrom expands in Utah:

http://kutv.com/utahwire/UT--RecitalBus ... _news_html

atossab · Post by **atossab** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 9:06 pm

Haven't been on this board for almost a year. Now I remember why. I hope your dumb asses are not busted at the burn with swat teams in camo carrying ak-s falling in from helicopters when your out there dancing. Hope your girlfriend isn't kicked in the stomach by 5 grown cops. Hope all your damn high horse emotions about its not as bad as Iraq don't come bacl to haunt you. Who the hell cares if its not a war zone like Iraq? Should people be kicked and punched and have guns held to their faces at a gathering because the promoter fucked up? You don't give a shit about the people in the war zone in Iraq, and you don't give a shit about your fellow Americans, and you just found a place to show off or vent about your war experiences. Why dont YOU call your fucking congressman and bring the troops home, so they dont have to sew eyes to cheeks. While you are at it, ask them to make sure they don't end up homeless and insane on the streeets with reduced benefits. Then, call your fucking senator and ask that they send money to New Orleans, where they've all been hungry and thirsty for five days now and the presidents on TV saying, " the country is with you" as trucks drive right past these poor poor people. No matter. You will deal with the aftermath of our tyrannical misleading bullshit government spending soon enough.

Have a great fucking burn, I'm sure those terrorized children from Utah wish they could be there, NOT.

Rob the Wop · Post by **Rob the Wop** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 10:20 pm

Prozac can help you.

joel the ornery · Post by **joel the ornery** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 3:25 am

Rob the Wop wrote:Prozac can help you.

ya think?

sounded pretty hopeless to me.

Rian Jackson · Post by **Rian Jackson** » Fri Sep 09, 2005 2:18 pm

If you wanted to know what it feels like to be in a war zone you should have been there.

Yeah I would still compare it to a war zone. The tactics used were virtually exactly the same as would be used in a real war zone.

Hey Jordan! For the record, this is actually a little insulting. Hell, it gets my teeth bared and my war stories are positively mellow!

Maybe if you want people to take you seriously you should draw accurate comparisons - and this is coming from someone who takes a pretty hard line with a lot of cop activity.

Sheesh, it just gets me thinking of my friend's story about the soldier who fired round the corner. The little kid next to my friend had his arm blown off at point blank range by the soldier's M16. The kid picked the arm up off the ground and ran because if he didn't he'd have been arrested for being there. Oh, and in case it wasn't clear, that's not in Utah.

sake1 · Post by **sake1** » Fri Sep 16, 2005 2:35 pm

the guy that threw the party was actually at burning man! I met him his name is jeremy and he run a comp. called drumlojik....really cool cat too

Jordan 10-E · Post by **Jordan 10-E** » Fri Sep 16, 2005 10:43 pm

Rian Jackson wrote:
If you wanted to know what it feels like to be in a war zone you should have been there.

Yeah I would still compare it to a war zone. The tactics used were virtually exactly the same as would be used in a real war zone.

Hey Jordan! For the record, this is actually a little insulting. Hell, it gets my teeth bared and my war stories are positively mellow!

Maybe if you want people to take you seriously you should draw accurate comparisons - and this is coming from someone who takes a pretty hard line with a lot of cop activity.

Sheesh, it just gets me thinking of my friend's story about the soldier who fired round the corner. The little kid next to my friend had his arm blown off at point blank range by the soldier's M16. The kid picked the arm up off the ground and ran because if he didn't he'd have been arrested for being there. Oh, and in case it wasn't clear, that's not in Utah.

I am sorry you are bothered by my comparisons. Would you care to give me a list of things I COULD compare it to? Sorry it sure seemed like a "war zone" to me. I guess no one got any body parts blown up or anything like that, but I sure felt under attack like I haven't experienced before. Maybe it was the guns, body armor, roving helicopter, yelling masked camoed men. Maybe it was the running and yelling and kicking and hitting and barking dogs and bright lights of the patty wagon that made me feel like I was in a war zone. Maybe it was the intense fear that anything you might do might be conceived as a reason to get pinned to the ground and handcuffed with one of the 10 or so zipties each officer had hanging around their neck. Having so many zipties I guess they were ready for arresting the masses.

So again, to anyone that knows someone that has been in a real war zone I apologize for whatever they have been through or seen. Those are horrors I would never wish on anyone. So I will rephrase what I have said. "It was as near to my perception of a 'war a zone' that I have ever been and the closest I ever hope to be." If this still bothers you and diverts your focus from what a shitty overboard situation it really was then there is not much I can do about that. Your concerns, as valid as they are, won't make me perceive the way I felt in the moment any different. I know I was not the only person that felt in such a way. If you have a problem with me feeling like it was a war zone then you might want to tell the entire Utah County police force to try different tactics next time.

Jordan 10-E · Post by **Jordan 10-E** » Fri Sep 16, 2005 10:48 pm

sake1 wrote:the guy that threw the party was actually at burning man! I met him his name is jeremy and he run a comp. called drumlojik....really cool cat too

Hey that's cool you met him. Jeremy is my bro and was actually part of our theme camp, Euphoria Playaground. My generator that ran the smaller second stage at Versus II was actually the same one that powered our theme camp at Burning Man.

alienfry · Post by **alienfry** » Sun Sep 18, 2005 11:46 pm

[quote]I can honestly say I have attended more Utah raves than any other person (I guarantee it is true). [/quote]

do you want a cookie?

if you're looking to throw an event with more than a few hundred people, i really have little sympathy for you if you don't get permits or pay for a venue. i know lots of small crews who throw parties and they make sure there's a solid cashflow to secure their fun. paid for a space and acquired all the right permits? chances are you'll be OK. knowingly promoting an event that will have a lot of illicit activity? you know you're running the risk of your hardwork going down the drain in a bust.

look i'm all about freedom and doing what you want as long as you aren't hurting anyone, but in the time i've been around the block large underground events attract a number of dumb kids and druggies and GETTING BUSTED IS THE RISK YOU TAKE then. also, those big parties usually leave sites with lots of moop. LNT takes a backseat to drug consumption at most of the larger events i've attended.

keep things small and initmate. bring friends who can party hard and BE RESPONSIBLE. if a cop rolls up and there's only 40 people and nobody is acting like a drugged-up dipshit then you'll be FINE. can't handle that? get the right permits. still not enough? get a lawyler and make a clear effort to build a relationship with local authorities.

Jordan 10-E · Post by **Jordan 10-E** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 8:40 am

Maybe we should have just asked our friends in LA how to do things and all the previous years of struggle to find legal avenues to hold events could have been so easy. I am not sure why we didn't figure things out sooner.

dj big E · Post by **dj big E** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 11:23 am

It's the same racket from coast to coast i use to throw permitted party's in vegas until every month they would shut down a party citing a new permit was needed. which is very funny because when you do an event or something simular there is an office here that prints you out a list of hoops you must jump through. Officials allways pull out a new hoop on event night. Anyways I have yet to see the video does anyone know of a video link that actually works?

sake1 · Post by **sake1** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 3:12 pm

[quote="Jordan 10-E"][quote="sake1"]the guy that threw the party was actually at burning man! I met him his name is jeremy and he run a comp. called drumlojik....really cool cat too[/quote]

Hey that's cool you met him. Jeremy is my bro and was actually part of our theme camp, Euphoria Playaground. My generator that ran the smaller second stage at Versus II was actually the same one that powered our theme camp at Burning Man.[/quote]

RAD! yah I met him sun. mourning I am a dnb emcee actually and we were even gonna play a set things just didn't happen though....I might have even met you...not sure I rolled by sun mourning and got asked if I had a lighter to blaze...things went from there and I stuck around for a couple of hours drinkin....I might acually come down to play a show in UT. for him in oct.....thats cool that was the same generator too lol

Chai Guy · Post by **Chai Guy** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 3:49 pm

Your Military Industrial Complex Tax Dollars at work, beating up kids at a party!

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!

http://media.putfile.com/utah-spanish-f ... -rave-bust

Chai Guy · Post by **Chai Guy** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 3:57 pm

knowingly promoting an event that will have a lot of illicit activity?

Yeah, because there are NO illicit activities going on at Burning Man right? Or Reggae on the River, or Mardis Gras, or Sturgis, or.....

Hahahahahaaahahaaa!!!!

Fat SAM · Post by **Fat SAM** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 4:33 pm

Or a Jimmy Buffet concert, or a nightclub, or a casino...

dj big E · Post by **dj big E** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 2:13 pm

Glad i don't live in utah. And i am glad the officers that would shutdown are events were at least civil.The newspaper says emt's provided aid to one girl on extasy and released her. If i was frying or X-ing or both lol I would have probly needed crisis counseling. I have purposely stayed out of utah as much as possible because i have heard of other gustapo behavior by there police.

Chai Guy · Post by **Chai Guy** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 2:27 pm

I find it interesting that the original local news footage was pulled from their site. The original news coverage was supportive of the police, subsequent news coverage was much more cautious as public opinion began to sway agains the police.

alienfry · Post by **alienfry** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 8:59 pm

[quote]Yeah, because there are NO illicit activities going on at Burning Man right? Or Reggae on the River, or Mardis Gras, or Sturgis, or.....

Hahahahahaaahahaaa!!!![/quote]

don't get me wrong i agree. and it may not be fair, but if you are going to have a shin-dig that's got stuff happening you should either have the money and alllll the tons of permits and shit lined-up so not to be fucked with OR be discrete about the whole thing.

consider what would they think if they rolled up? is there trash everywhere? are people puddled, acting like e-tards, unable to respond if someone asked them a question? can these people hold their own and clean up after themselves and act like nice, grown-up people if a ranger did actually stop by?

oi. i type these things as i plan my own event this fall.

then again, we'll be small, smart, in an area where our presence wont jeopordize the environment, everyone knows and respects LNT way of thinking, we party responsibly and discretely, there's no minors, we all know who each other is. i'm not worried.

for anonymous, irresponsible pleasures buy a $40 ticket to some massive.

MoisturePup · Post by **MoisturePup** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 3:58 pm

It appears that they did not violate the county ordinace they were accussed of violating. There is an ordinance which does require a permit for events of 250 persons or more, but only if that event is intended to go over 12 hours in length.

Here is a copy of the ordinance:
---
n Section 13-4-2-1:

Required.

No person shall permit, maintain, promote, conduct,
advertise, act as entrepreneur, undertake, organize,
manage, or sell or give tickets to an actual or
reasonably anticipated assembly of two hundred fifty
(250) or more people which continues or can
reasonably be expected to continue for twelve (12) or
more consecutive hours, whether on public or private
property unless a license to hold the assembly has
first been issued by the County Commissioners. (Ord.
No. 1971-4, Section 2, 7-7-71)

---

Now here's where the language is in the ordinance shows that the police action was COMPLETELY unwaranted:

... to an actual or reasonably anticipated assembly of two hundred fifty
(250) or more people +++which continues or can reasonably be expected to continue for twelve (12) or more consecutive hours, ... +++

The "which" in that statement means that the "continues or can reasonably be expected to continue for twelve or more consecutive hours" is a requirement for the 250 persons permit to be neccessary. Since the event did not extend over 12 hours, and the DJ schedule was less than 12 hours there was no expectation of going over 12 hours.

Check out the official statement fromt he promoters:

http://www.utrave.org/showthread.php?t= ... ge=2&pp=10

Rian Jackson · Post by **Rian Jackson** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 8:18 pm

Sure jordan. If you want to visit a war zone I'll invite you along next time I go. Though I gotta say, I was more concerned about dying than arrest on various occasions.

Like I said, I'm not condoning the activity, but hyperbole rarely makes you more convincing.

Sorry you went through that. Sounds like it was pretty shitty.

geekster · Post by **geekster** » Sun Sep 25, 2005 11:46 am

I find it interesting that the original local news footage was pulled from their site. The original news coverage was supportive of the police, subsequent news coverage was much more cautious as public opinion began to sway agains the police.

A newspaper or TV channel are not charities or "public service" organizations, they are businesses. Their job is to make money. They make money by selling advertizing. They sell advertizing at higher rates by having more eyeballs than their competitor. If they were supportive of the police and their competition was not and the competition started getting more eyeballs for their coverage (the stuff that attracts the eyeballs so that the advertizing can be shown to them), then they might well change the slant of their coverage in order to simply be more popular. In many cases it doesn't have a thing in the world to do with what is correct or real objective reporting, it is a matter of attracting viewers to show ads to. There are few news outlets in this country that aren't worried about "popularity". Few will take an unpopular approach to something that may in fact be correct if they have competition taking the more lucrative approach.

UTAH rave Busted by SWAT team...video included

Read this and take postive action to protect your rights.

Holy Shit

sounds familiar

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