Theme vs. Commerce

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Theme vs. Commerce

Post by spectabillis » Thu Mar 29, 2007 9:41 pm

Once again around the endless commerce debate.. this time its associated with the 'green' theme and this recent news release.
Environmental Solutions To Be On Display at Burning Man 2007 Invitation to showcase emerging technologies

This summer, Burning Man will hold its twenty-second annual event in the vast and remote Black Rock Desert of Nevada. Forty thousand participants from around the world, including more than 100 journalists, will attend this celebration of creativity. The year's theme, "The Green Man", explores the human relationship to nature, in particular our collective response to global warming, and sets the stage for an unprecedented informational exchange.

In recognition of this unique opportunity, Burning Man is inviting artists, inventors, developers, and scientists to showcase their emerging environmental technologies at this year's eight day event, August 27th - September 3rd.

At the center of Black Rock City, home to Burning Man, will be the Green Man Pavilion, 30,000 square feet of shaded exhibition space for the display of interactive, artistic, scientific and educational models, a "World's Fair" of cutting edge technologies. Our goal is to create a space where breakthrough ideas and proven technologies addressing environmental issues such as energy production, solid waste management, and remediation of toxic substances, can be displayed and interacted with, against the backdrop of the world's largest participant-created event. In fact, we believe this exposition may well be the only place in the world where such a wide range of technologies and solutions will be on display in an interactive environment.

Burning Man has long been recognized as a nexus of ideas, information, and culture, a physical collection of human nodes for interactivity and information exchange. It is a place where artists, innovators, early adopters, CEOs, and the media share ideas and network like nowhere else on Earth.

In addition to directly reaching participants and through extensive media coverage, Burning Man will be opened to the world through a unique collaboration with Google, in a virtual 3D version of event called "Burning Man Earth", which will allow a global audience to experience the Green Man pavilion.

We're already received considerable interest for participation from alternative energy manufacturers. In fact, at the conclusion of the festival, the solar power system that will be used to create the energy for the Green Man Pavilion will be redeployed as part of a larger solar project to generate carbon-free energy in the local town of Gerlach. Our long-term goal: make Gerlach the first town on the planet that creates more green energy than it uses.

what i am curious about, what does 'showcase' mean? are businesses going to be allowed to present thier products? if so, and this is only an if because i dont know, but do you think that should be allowed?

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Post by robotland » Thu Mar 29, 2007 9:54 pm

It SHOULD be allowed...If all participating exhibitors provide golf pencils, magnets, balloons, auto trash bags OR rulers which clearly provide their contact information. And the event should be moved from the base of The Man to The Black Rock City Fairgrounds.
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Post by Bob » Thu Mar 29, 2007 10:13 pm

As in any organization I think the degree of editorial control is inversely proportional to the perceived do-good-ocracy of the concept.
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Post by spectabillis » Thu Mar 29, 2007 10:29 pm

i could have asked actiongrl for clarification, but more curious to what others think right now. i am also wondering about the ratio of editorial packaging to contents, it may not even be an issue.

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Post by mdmf007 » Thu Mar 29, 2007 11:21 pm

who cant use a new "GE WIND POWER" mouse pad?
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Post by MikeVDS » Fri Mar 30, 2007 12:19 am

I'm all about the environment but it's a bit suspect that it's the theme just when it's the new fad thing to do. Plus it draws out all those people who are fad environmentalists with their holier-than-thou attitudes. I don't quite understand the psychology of fads, but even one like environmentalism make a lot of people really wealthy. The reason I can say with close to certainty that this is just a fad is because of all the junk science going around. A movement would educate, this fad seems to use fear and passiveness to promote itself.

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Post by Toolmaker » Fri Mar 30, 2007 5:36 am

Either there is something missing or they modified their original article. I remember reading that there was to be NO advertising of any sort. All the projects were supposed to be nekid and unmarked. This pavilion was intended to be solely for green tech to be exhibited. If they're going to be giving away shit like at trade shows fuck the pencils and rulers.. I want tshirts to deface!

Seriously tho, I love the whole hippe thing as much as the next guy/gal but it is Burningman not Rainbow. I think this whole green thing has gotten a little out of wack. There is no way the world is going to change. Americans certainly aren't going to change their lifestyles. I always felt Burningman was to be kept separate from the rest of the world, this pavilion is another way of merging the two together like the SpikeTV show. I hate to say it but it looks as if the ORG has lost its original intent somewhere along the way. This probably happened somewhere between 2000 and 10000 participants. But this event is still PARTICIPANT CONTROLLED! Just like those opposed to the coffee sales.. BOYCOTT BOYCOTT BOYCOTT! If all else fails.. SABOTAGE THE MEDIA COVERAGE BY ROCKIN OUT WITH A COCK OUT!
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Post by Teo del Fuego » Fri Mar 30, 2007 9:28 am

Toolmaker wrote:I think this whole green thing has gotten a little out of wack.
Word! Both the Theme and the Man base proposal are teetering on the abyss of kitsch. This could qualify as the world's largest 4-H gathering.
Toolmaker wrote:There is no way the world is going to change. Americans certainly aren't going to change their lifestyles.
Not so sure.

Im torn. I do beleive that humans are contributing significantly to global warming and that corrective action must be taken now. I also think Burning Man emissions are not even a drop in the bucket--more like a single molecule in the bucket. Greenhouse education at Burning Man is somewhat preaching to the choir. I think the vast majority of Burners get it.

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Post by theCryptofishist » Fri Mar 30, 2007 9:29 am

the green fairy is the theme I'm putting forth as an alternative.

Or even green monkeys.

Not easy being green is good too.

Do I hear "Green With Envy" I bet you could go places with that.

I suppose that education is good. Heck, I might even want to do Bioneers one year. But this is suppose to be "spring break" not a school field trip.

(hehe, I can't believe i just said that.!)
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Post by spectabillis » Fri Mar 30, 2007 11:12 am

after going over actiongrl's comments elsewhere i think its important to clarify a couple of things. aparantly there is no corporate branding allowed and there are no plans for them to distribute "handouts or business cards." so it sounds like its an open intivation to contribute without the intention or benefit of commerce.

also, one thing i appreciate is no one is flying off the handle over it. of course its always important for people to discuss things, and its definately a struggle to keep a strong level of influence on the side of the community as a sort of check to the org. at least its not confrontational.

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Post by BAS » Fri Mar 30, 2007 11:44 am

after going over actiongrl's comments elsewhere i think its important to clarify a couple of things. aparantly there is no corporate branding allowed and there are no plans for them to distribute "handouts or business cards." so it sounds like its an open intivation to contribute without the intention or benefit of commerce.
Well, that's a relief. Darn, now I should log off and really work on getting employed so I can afford to go! :?


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Post by robotland » Fri Mar 30, 2007 6:05 pm

If the alt-energy demos could be presented in the form of artworks, that would not only satisfy but IMPRESS many...I myself was impressed last year by the beautiful solar-powered light array. (off 9 o'clock a ways- I forget the name, but DAMN it was beautiful! Had a bank of PV panels about the size of a school bus.)
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Post by spectabillis » Fri Mar 30, 2007 9:03 pm

now there's an idea.

solar panels, drawing methane off shit and sewage, nuclear cooling towers, trains of black sooty coal crawling thier way into am indistrial manufacturing complex... definately be a challenge past just providing something green to capitalize on.

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Post by Bob » Fri Mar 30, 2007 11:45 pm

So you people are going to have a technology fair but not tell people where to buy it?

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Post by gyre » Sat Mar 31, 2007 6:25 am

Maybe the belgians will bring a noname fusion reactor.
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Post by Bob » Sat Mar 31, 2007 6:55 am

Amazing desert structures & stuff: http://sites.google.com/site/potatotrap/

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Post by spectabillis » Sat Mar 31, 2007 6:00 pm

Bob wrote:So you people are going to have a technology fair...
technology fair? art fair, camping trip, spring break for the thirtysomethings, bmf rave in a desert... cant keep up with all these labels.

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Post by BAS » Sat Mar 31, 2007 8:59 pm

Maybe the phrase should be: "I'm going to go and see a big thing in the desert!"?!

(Or isn't that the sort of image people want to project? :P )

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Post by gyre » Sat Mar 31, 2007 9:15 pm

I tell people I'm going to the desert.

That is enough for most people to assume insanity.
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Post by LeChatNoir » Sat Mar 31, 2007 9:24 pm

I find that works for me too, gyre If they ask more I'll continue to give little bitty bits of info. Som eget all the way up to really hearing about it. but most people shut off quickly and walk away with their already made notions of me.
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Post by gyre » Sat Mar 31, 2007 9:53 pm

If someone asks, I'll say I always go to the desert.
If they are curious, I'll tell them it's an arts festival.
Most people have a sort of mystical assumption about art.
A few people really want to know.

I'm not sure you're a good example, Le Chat.
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but you don't want to hear from any 'weird' people!
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