Scientology

erri2000 · Post by **erri2000** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 11:00 am

Religion fucks up the whole works. Always trying to figure out the obvious and then make it magical to answer questions. Always trying to figure out something that you will never know the answer to?

My belief is: (doesn't have to be yours)

No â€œReligionâ€

Simon of the Playa · Post by **Simon of the Playa** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 11:33 am

wait a second, what the fuck?

i was promised a CULT, and either i get a CULT or i want a refund and all my playa schwag gifties back RIGHT NOW!

god, i feel so DIRTY, and USED.....

oh, by the way Kinetic, the whole non-governmental interference thing is horse-pucky.

the playa is a annual giant petri dish that the powers that be allow to culture and grow so that the best and the brightest can experiment with new technology and PharmaPhun(tm)....dont fucking kid yourself....

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"we are no longer watching, we are now participating"

and that Hat is on Salary....

oneeyeddick · Post by **oneeyeddick** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 12:33 pm

[quote="erri2000"]

No â€œReligionâ€

Donna Matrix · Post by **Donna Matrix** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 12:49 pm

Religion has been defined as: The duty one owes to one creator.

What does correct have to do with it?

Simon of the Playa · Post by **Simon of the Playa** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 1:44 pm

"Religion has been defined as: The duty one owes to one creator.

What does correct have to do with it?"....

you're right.....correct don mean chit to u....speeling fr xmple

First of all, Ma Donna, the grammar needs a bit o' sprucin'...

i believe you meant ONES creator, because , like there are like a GAZILLION gods in Hindu...

or are you making the ASSumption that there is only one god....

me personally, i think tom Waits is god....now wait, a Demi-god, so, um

Micheal Jordon....a basketball god...

there is the goddess of the Hunt and Animalz, Artemis

Noam Chomsky, eh....he doesnt believe in himself...

so who did the creatin' agin?

i thinks its was Betti Crocka, The GODdess o' de Kithin.

ps.....Dr. No is Ron Paul?.....the dude from the 007 film? yur chittin me....REELY?

i gotta goggle thet.

mereth · Post by **mereth** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 2:12 pm

**Sigh...** You didn't scare me off - I've been busy. Ok, this typing might take a while to answer all the objections, questions, etc, but I hope it will be worth it to all of you.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/rel_defn.htm

has the best essay on addressing the definition of religion (from my very brief search) so that it can be all-emcompassing. The part I'd like to highlight is their finalized broad definition of religion way at the bottom of the page. (But please, everyone, read the rest of the essay as well):

"Our compromise definition:
"This website's essays use a very broad definition of religion:

"Religion is any specific system of belief about deity, often involving rituals, a code of ethics, a philosophy of life, and a worldview."

"(A worldview is a set of basic, foundational beliefs concerning deity, humanity and the rest of the universe.) Thus we would consider Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Native American Spirituality, Wicca, and other Neopagan traditions to be religions. We also include Agnosticism, Atheism, Humanism, Ethical Culture etc. as religions, because they also contain a "belief about deity." Their belief is that they do not know whether a deity exists, or they have no knowledge of God, or they sincerely believe that God does not exist. "

Therefore, pretty much everyone on earth has a religion by that definition, which is a pretty basic idea that I would subscribe to. Even if you're an atheist who believes that God doesn't exist and that we are a one-lifetime animal/body put here through evolution and chance - that is still a system of belief. So, all of you that say: religion is for suckers? Please think about that again. I'm sure you have some point of view on the idea of a deity, yes? Even if that idea is that you don't know....

Donna Matrix · Post by **Donna Matrix** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 2:23 pm

Exactly....

It all depends on how one defines it.

As my x-hubby used to say... most people define their religion to suit their lifestyle.

Amen.

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 2:26 pm

FYI, I'm really enjoying the new Dawkins.

mereth · Post by **mereth** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 2:27 pm

Yaaayyy!!! We finally fucking agree on something!!!!! With no argument even!!

How fucking awesome is that!?

*high five and hug to Donna*

Donna Matrix · Post by **Donna Matrix** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 2:31 pm

Ah... common ground... nice to be there.

mereth · Post by **mereth** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 2:35 pm

I just wish I could take a picture of this wonderful place called Common Ground and make postcards (the kind that have a cheesy "Wish you were here!") and send them out to the world. Way prettier than anything on Earth. That'd be nice.

erri2000 · Post by **erri2000** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 2:41 pm

mereth wrote:Therefore, pretty much everyone on earth has a religion by that definition

I adjust my statement

"Organized Religion" fucks everything up.

erri2000 · Post by **erri2000** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 2:42 pm

Donna Matrix wrote:... most people define their religion to suit their lifestyle.

Selfish people do.

mereth · Post by **mereth** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 2:45 pm

erri2000 wrote:
mereth wrote:Therefore, pretty much everyone on earth has a religion by that definition
I adjust my statement

"Organized Religion" fucks everything up.

Are you including Atheists in that bunch?

There's a highway cleanup sign near where I live that says that the local Atheist's group handles that section of freeway.

I would call that "organized".

erri2000 · Post by **erri2000** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 2:48 pm

mereth wrote:Are you including Atheists in that bunch?

I don't believe in Atheists.

Donna Matrix · Post by **Donna Matrix** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 2:51 pm

I don't believe in Atheists.

LOL

Dork · Post by **Dork** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 2:52 pm

mereth wrote:"Religion is any specific system of belief about deity, often involving rituals, a code of ethics, a philosophy of life, and a worldview."

My belief system does not allow me to accept that definition of religion. But I have used the same logic against people trying to claim their "spirituality" was nothing at all like religion. Luckily my belief system does not have a prohibition against hipocracy, as long as it is acknowledged openly.

erri2000 · Post by **erri2000** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 3:04 pm

Dork wrote:
mereth wrote:Luckily my belief system does not have a prohibition against hipocracy, as long as it is acknowledged openly.

I find myself breaking personal rules all the time. Like I tell people that smoking will kill you but I still smoke.

Are you talking about hippocracy like that?

Simon of the Playa · Post by **Simon of the Playa** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 5:10 pm

SANTA RULES!

Simon of the Playa · Post by **Simon of the Playa** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 5:12 pm

oops, sorry, freudian slip....my bad..

satan rules....

dana · Post by **dana** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 5:26 pm

from xenu.com:

"The results of applying their crackpot psychotherapy (called "auditing") is to weaken the mind. The mind goes from a rational state to an irrational one as the delusional contents of the subconscious mind are brought to the surface and are assumed to be valid. It also makes a person more susceptible to suggestion since it submerges the critical thinking faculties of the mind into a partial subconscious state. It results in a permanent light hypnotic trance and so from thenceforth that person can be more easily controlled."

The writer sounds like a bit of a crackpot himself if they find this to be convincing. The subconscious isn't "delusional". It may show itself in metaphor and symbolic lanquage.
And what the fuck is a "permanent light hypnotic trance"??!!!

I wonder if they consider themself to be oh so logical and scientific in their attack? More likely this person is some kind of fundamentalist.

"Its not our dogma, so it must be evil!!"

(In case you're wondering, I'm not a scientologist.)

Apollonaris Zeus · Post by **Apollonaris Zeus** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 5:28 pm

So am I being Delusional to think that the subconscience mind is delusional then that's delusional is it not, then, I rest my case your honor!

If all life was reincarnation, where the fuck are they all coming from?

Eeh?

Now you're all in trouble! Come On just souls inhabiting earthlings coming from where, can't be hell nor can it be heaven. Right!

"Standing at the first steps of a spiral staircase that disapparing out of sight!"

"You got to get in to get out!"- Carpet Crawlers by peter gabriel

And I own no doody to any of my Gods or Yours!

AIIZ

Apollonaris Zeus · Post by **Apollonaris Zeus** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 10:11 pm

too many people to account for Reincarnation. Too many people thinking that they are cleopatra or King Arthur. there is only one of them as there is only one of you.

You just get in and you just get out. You move to the next step slowly to to the where the chamber is said to be- Mt Olympus.

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See you carpet crawlers next year only because you can't go back to last one. that is impossible, you can only go on to the next one.

Carpet Crawlers we are!

There is lambs wool under my naked feet
The wool is soft and warm
Gives off some kind of heat
A salamander scurries into fame to be destroyed
Imaginary creatures are trapped in birth on celluloid
The fleas cling to the golden fleece
Hoping they'll find peace
Each thought and gesture are caught in celluloid
There's no hiding in my memory
There's no room to avoid

The crawlers cover the floor in the red ochre corridor
For my second sight of people, they've more lifeblood than before
They're moving in time to a heavy wooden door
Where the needle's eye is winking, closing on the poor

The carpet crawlers heed their callers
We've got to get in to get out
We've got to get in to get out
We've got to get in to get out

There's only one direction in the faces that I see
Its upward to the ceiling, where the chamber's said to be
Like the forest fight for sunlight, that takes root in every tree
They are pulled up by the magnet, believing they are free

The carpet crawlers heed their callers
We've got to get in to get out
We've got to get in to get out
We've got to get in to get out

Mild-mannered supermen are held in kryptonite
And the wise and foolish virgins giggle with their bodies glowing bright
Through the door a harvest feast is lit by candlelight
Its the bottom of a staircase that spirals out of sight

The carpet crawlers heed their callers
We've got to get in to get out
We've got to get in to get out

The carpet crawlers heed their callers
We've got to get in to get out
We've got to get in to get out
...To get out

We got to get in to get out
We got to get in (get out to get in)
Got to, got to...
Got to get in to get out
(Got to get in to get out)
We got to get in to get out
(Got to get in to get out)
We got to get in to get out
We got to get in to get out
Get in to get out
Got to get in (get out) to get out
Got to get in to get out
Get out, get out, get out...

Have a Happy New Year

AIIZ

likwid · Post by **likwid** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 4:09 am

[quote="mereth"]I just wish I could take a picture of this wonderful place called Common Ground and make postcards (the kind that have a cheesy "Wish you were here!") and send them out to the world. Way prettier than anything on Earth. That'd be nice. 8)[/quote]

I'm pretty certain you should created an idea for a gift at BM2008.

Donna Matrix · Post by **Donna Matrix** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 8:48 am

Postcards for BM2008... now all we need is some addresses to send them to.....um,....

mereth · Post by **mereth** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 10:08 am

I dunno, postcards at BM might get a little MOOPy... Anyone else like that idea for a gift?

oneeyeddick · Post by **oneeyeddick** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 10:28 am

One of our camp members made hundreds of
postcards to give as gifts a few years ago.
They were a huge success.
Postcards are a GREAT idea.

erri2000 · Post by **erri2000** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 10:44 am

Donna Matrix wrote:Postcards for BM2008... now all we need is some addresses to send them to.....um,....

The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington, DC 20500

Kremlin, Sobornaya Ploshad
Moscow, Russia

Doughty Street Chambers
10-11 Doughty Street
London WC1N 2PL

Here are some to start.

mereth · Post by **mereth** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 10:48 am

OK. So here's what I'd like to make up:

A postcard with a glossy satellite photo of Earth with the words "Common Ground" in Bold below. Then above the photo in a nice scroll work the phrase, "Wish you were here!".

Have the address side made to be pre-addressed to "Everyone" and have the address be "From:" (blank) so that they can be re-gifted as needed.

Howzat sound?

erri2000 · Post by **erri2000** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 11:11 am

mereth wrote:A postcard with a glossy satellite photo of Earth with the words "Common Ground" in Bold below. Then above the photo in a nice scroll work the phrase, "Wish you were here!".

I took some liberties...

This is my analogy.