San Fran Tiger Snacks

Post by **mdmf007** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 6:44 pm

So I know the official story, and was wondering if any of our friends in the bay area heard different - were the kids that were attacked teasing the animal or what?

Zoo says yes, kids attorney says no.

hmmmmmmm

oneeyeddick · Post by **oneeyeddick** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 9:04 pm

When I read "San Fran Tiger snacks " and turned the page, the first thing that caught my eye was you, with your finger in your nose again.

The one/two punch got me in the funny plexis, thankyou 007.

Post by **Eric** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 9:09 pm

Lets see:
The "kids" are, I believe, 19 & 23... not so much "kids" in my book.
They won't allow the police to examine their cell phones.
They won't allow the police to examine their car.
They're being non-cooperative.
They don't call the parents of their friend who died at all (and don't see them until the funeral)
They hire a sleazy high-profile attorney.

Doesn't sound too above board to me.

However, the people who run the zoo are no angels, so I wouldn't clear them of fault (hello- changing the stated height of the wall 3 times in 2 days? It's 20 feet, oops, 16 feet, oh, never mind it's only 12.....)

Regardless of how stupid the 3 peoples actions were or weren't, the zoo was responsible for an environment were at least the basic safety procedures are followed, and they failed on that point.

ibdave · Post by **ibdave** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 9:44 pm

If it walks like a Duck, Quacks like a Duck it must be a Duck.. Yes???

erri2000 · Post by **erri2000** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 9:48 pm

FYI How to talk to children about the tiger attack.

An event such as the fatal Christmas Day tiger mauling at the San Francisco Zoo can be traumatic for a child

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... JU4SVN.DTL

Don't people tell their children not to climb on the fences at the zoo? Snark!

Toolmaker · Post by **Toolmaker** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 10:20 pm

I hear the tiger said "They're grrrreat!" when asked how they taste.

spectabillis · Post by **spectabillis** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 10:34 pm

TOOLMAKER FOR THE WIN!

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 10:49 pm

The ironic part is, the kids, (yes I'll call them kids.) that are left alive have some record with the police.

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 12:40 am

Any updates on the status of hte empty booze bottle in the car? And on the existence of the fourth man?

I bet this trial gets a following.

mojo · Post by **mojo** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 10:47 am

This is all about the civil suits that will be filed against the zoo. Anybody want to wager on the settlement amounts?

The information being leaked about the tiger being taunted, booze bottles, etc is what the zoo will use to try to mitigate their damages. Plainly, even if you are inebriated and obnoxious, you don't go to a zoo with any expectation that the animals could get out and eat you.

At least the tiger had a last meal.

Post by **Eric** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 7:42 pm

theCryptofishist wrote:And on the existence of the fourth man?

I just want to know more about the second tiger hiding behind the grassy knoll....

Toolmaker · Post by **Toolmaker** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 8:30 pm

Eric wrote:
theCryptofishist wrote:And on the existence of the fourth man?
I just want to know more about the second tiger hiding behind the grassy knoll....

he likes to watch. what else is there to know?

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 9:18 am

Recently a snow leopard tried to escape. The word's out! Jailbreak!

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 10:59 am

That's exactly what I thought, UD.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 10:23 am

Article:'How long does it take?' tiger victim pleaded as he wai:/c/a/2008/01/15/BA19UFMKS.DTL
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'How long does it take?' tiger victim pleaded as he waited for help

Jaxon Van Derbeken, Chronicle Staff Writer

Tuesday, January 15, 2008
Kulbir Dhaliwal leaves the burial of his friend Carlos So...

(01-15) 15:11 PST SAN FRANCISCO -- In a frantic call to 911, Kulbir Dhaliwal repeatedly pleaded for police and medical crews to help his brother after a tiger attack at the San Francisco Zoo, saying the situation was "life and death" and asking that a helicopter be brought in to rescue him.

"How long does it take?" Dhaliwal, 23, said to the 911 dispatcher after the escaped tiger attacked his 19-year-old brother, Paul, on Christmas Day, and killed their friend Carlos Sousa Jr., 17.

"Man, it does not take this long to get an ambulance out here," Kulbir Dhaliwal said in a cell phone call he placed to 911 after the tiger got loose sometime before 5:04 p.m. He suggested that he had already spent 10 minutes during an earlier call waiting for help, but there is no record of any other call.

Dhaliwal's call ended after nearly seven minutes at 5:23 p.m., about the time the tiger attacked him as he tried to help his brother at the zoo's Terrace Cafe. The San Jose residents had fled there after the animal got out of its outdoor grotto. By that time, paramedics still had not reached the brothers, and Sousa was mortally wounded.

Tapes of some of the calls placed to 911 after the Siberian tiger got loose were released this morning.

The 911 dispatcher repeatedly ordered Kulbir Dhaliwal to calm down and tried to explain that paramedics were being kept outside the zoo because of fears the tiger might attack them. She also gave him instructions on how to control bleeding, but specific references to bleeding were deleted from the tapes that San Francisco officials released today.

In his 5:16 p.m. call to 911, Dhaliwal did not make reference to the attack on Sousa. However, he and his brother had apparently mentioned a third person injured to zoo officials, according to other 911 recordings.

The 911 dispatcher appeared to think the brothers were inside a zoo building at the time, an apparent miscommunication, but was aware that a tiger was on the loose and had attacked someone.

Dhaliwal's cell phone call came 12 minutes after a zoo security official made the initial report to 911, a call that was also recorded in tapes released today.

In that first call, zoo radio transmissions were recorded. About 5:06 p.m., operations manager Deb Howe said two people at the Terrace Cafe "are screaming about an animal that has attacked them, but there's no animal out. He's talking about a third person, and I don't see a third person."

A zoo security officer told the dispatcher, "He's saying he was bitten by an animal, but there is no animal escaped - he could just be crazy."

Howe told zoo official Alan Feinberg that a lion might have gotten out, and Feinberg replied, "That's virtually impossible. ... I can't imagine how he could possibly have gotten attacked by a lion."

Four minutes later, at 5:10 p.m., Howe realized what had happened and ordered an emergency lockdown. "I've got a tiger out. Code one," she said.

"What?!" a startled Feinberg replied.

Howe then apparently left the brothers. Dhaliwal, who was defenseless at the Terrace Cafe when he made his 5:16 p.m. call, repeatedly told the 911 dispatcher that the situation was urgent.

"Can you check up on them and see where they at?" he asked at one point.

The dispatcher responded that "they are on scene right now, but they have to stage until they are given permission to go inside."

A frantic Dhaliwal replied, "It's a matter of life and death! How can they wait for permission to go in?"

"I understand that," replied the dispatcher, "but at the same time, we have to make sure the paramedics don't get chewed out ... because, if the paramedics get hurt, then nobody is going to help you..."

"What do you mean?" Dhaliwal answered. "My brother's going to die out here."

"OK, calm down, all right," the dispatcher replied.

"It's a matter of life and death," Dhaliwal said. "I'm not going to let him die like that."

"I'll stay on the line with you," the dispatcher said. "If the paramedics get hurt they cannot help your brother, so you need to calm down and..."

"Send more paramedics then!" Dhaliwal said.

The dispatcher replied, "You are going to be the best help for your brother right now, so you need to calm down and help him until we can get there, sir, all right? So I'm going to stay on the line with you. "

"Can you fly a helicopter right here? Because I don't see no f- ambulance here," Dhaliwal said.

The dispatcher again told him, "OK, stay calm! You have to stay calm for your brother, all right?"

Police, who had gotten onto the zoo grounds about the time Dhaliwal made his 911 call, found the tiger at the cafe and shot it to death as it was attacking Kulbir. Both brothers were hospitalized for several days with head wounds.

E-mail Jaxon Van Derbeken at [email protected].
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... 9UFMKS.DTL

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 10:27 am

Hey, I wonder how many people are gonna gett sued big time?

mereth · Post by **mereth** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 11:58 am

Oh, I'm sure this is going to get dragged out in the courts for the next 10 years at least...

Box Burner · Post by **Box Burner** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 12:13 pm

DVD Burner wrote:Hey, I wonder how many people are gonna gett sued big time?

How many lawyers are there?

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 3:54 pm