Apollonaris Zeus Endorses Barack Obama as President!

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[Kinetik V]

Wow...line after line of raw email addresses. Like that's going to make anyone scoop 'em up and send email blitzes.

I hate being critical but that was a total waste of bandwidth.

Back on track former President Jimmy Carter came out today with an unofficial endorsement of Obama. Yawn.

I don't see why people are falling for an inexperienced Illinois senator that has little political experience, that bought his house at $300K below market value (per the Chicago Sun-Times ongoing investigation into corrupt Chicago politics) and basically is winning people over on his oratory skills but with nothing of substance.

On second thought...Obama is the perfect candidate for today's America...the place where TMZ.com thrives, where mentally ill celebrities have their every move recorded, hashed, rehashed, then packaged for special celebrity reports full of sound bites and clips that get turned into pseudo news. Never mind the fact that he doesn't have a lick of foreign policy experience. Never mind that he hasn't been in office long enough to have the contacts needed to build a strong cabinet to support him. No...he rolls into a a state and changes the dynamics just by opening his mouth and speaking about change. The guy hasn't even served long enough in office to even have his own opinions on what needs to be changed at a deep level...superficial change and Obama-ism's is all he can produce. And despite his best efforts to silence the press he's living in a house that was bought in a sweetheart deal. He's corrupt. He's tied to Chicago's political corruption. Do we really want to give Chicago's political cronies and old school nutjobs direct access to the White House?

My vote is still with Hillary but if she doesn't win the nomination, John McCain will gain another supporter. I will not vote for Obama...he's just not ready to carry the yoke of world leadership that comes with being the President of the United States. Come back in 2016 after Hillary's had her two terms and he's expunged the filth of that Chicago corruption he's linked to and things may be different.

[Ugly Dougly]

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That is all I got.

WHY???

[thisisthatwhichis]

I haven't fallen off of the cliff yet, for Obama, as AZ has.... especially after watching "the other Mitt" (not the Mitt of Apokiliptika! ), no longer leading the pack of R's ........
But how can you say Hillary isn't more corrupt than OB?.... She's definetely got a laundry list..........

[Kinetik V]

Hillary's not perfect...but in my mind when I take everything into consideration...and yes that includes the good, bad, the ugly, and even the unspeakable (http://www.realchange.org/clinton.htm) ((Yes, the site refences Bill but there's enough mud splatters to implicate her)), I still feel she's the best candidate on the Democratic ticket.

And as for the other Mitt...and not the Apok ones, he's the governor that is trying to clean up the biggest road project boondoggle in American civil engineering history, the Big Dig in Boston and his efforts are not producing the best of results. (http://www.boston.com/news/specials/big_dig_problems/) He's not the leader I want in office as our Interstate highways continue to crumble and need repairs.

I did like his idea of charging more for companies that want to plaster their logos on those blue info signs...which by the way are getting out of hand. Gas stations, food, camping are ok places to list on the state installed, state owned info signs. But pharmacies? Missouri has such blue info signs for Walgreens and CVS now. I think it's over the top. I'll shut up and give the soapbox now.

[thisisthatwhichis]

Just realized, (after they made the point on the news... Doh!. ... guess I'm gender/color blind)... that the Dem ticket, for the first time in history, for a party, is a woman or a black....

HOW F*CKING COOL IS THAT!

[Apollonaris Zeus]

I don't see why people are falling for an inexperienced Illinois senator that has little political experience, that bought his house at $300K below market value

KinV I thought you to be a smart person. If you could buy a spec home that was being discounted for dumping in a depressed market, wouldn’t you buy one. Is my friend that sold his Chicago spec home below market value because he couldn’t sell it corrupt! Someone buys something that seemed to be a good deal and all of a sudden they are corrupt? Read this article by the Washington post not a local paper that has some political association to the real corrupt politicians in Chicago!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 29_pf.html

I once thought much of McCain but he's a Sell Out!!! Remember his visit to Iraq. He said that Iraq was a much safer place all while he stood in a market dress head to toe in a bullet proof suit as hundreds of soldiers stood on roof tops, humvees and helicopters. That blew it on him for me! It was all exposed as a sham! He’s a sell out that will Not Change a Thing. Hillary sold her soul in an insider trading deal as Bill’s Whitewater much like Bush’s Harkin insider trading!

You shouldn’t spread rumors of untruth like those that said Obama was a Muslim!

Read the above article- nothing done was unlawful!

By the way, Did you vote for Bush once or twice? Oh year, you didn't vote for him at all! Good Man!

AIIZ

[Kinetik V]

Obama is not a Muslim...I've got that email in my inbox and I replied with the following link:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp

As for Obama's home in Chicagoland, when I apply critical thinking skills / question the source / look for hidden biases to the Chicago Sun-Times's investigation I find myself believing the reporting to be reasonably accurate...enough so that it makes me question if the guy's "clean".

And yes I voted for Shrub..once. We all make mistakes. The question is do we learn from them?

[Jus Say Ventura]

Hulk Hogan and me endorse Obama because "Obama doesn't judge people based upon "the way people dress"!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/3 ... 84036.html

Don't be Mat Drool! Vote Obama


AZ

[Kinetik V]

Tough call.... and yes I read that linked article. Part of me feels that everyone should have a shot at redemption as we all make mistakes...and I've made some doozies that are well documented. I'm standing in a glass house so I shouldn't be throwing rocks. But...the fact remains that regardless of if he knew Rezko was a slimeball, he should have done his research and known what that property should have sold for. In short, he knew he was getting a sweetheart deal and he took it anyway. If I was in the same situation and especially with plans to run for a high office...the last thing I'd want is a taint like this...hell any kind of blemish on the record.

It's also one thing when it's an average Joe, it's another when we're talking about the POTUS and all the power and perversions that come with the office. I'm sorry but the house is just one of a list of things that makes me think he's not the right person for the job at this time.

If Obama made a $300K contribution to ANY Chicagoland charity to give back the questionable gains, that would make things right. But I doubt that will ever happen...but it would sure be a great thing if it did.

One other side note...since Chicago is still West of Washington, will they just update the sign from Crawford, TX and replace it with Chicago, Illinois if Obama gets lucky enough to win the election?

[Apollonaris Zeus]

[quote="Kinetic V. But...the fact remains that regardless of if he knew Rezko was a slimeball, he should have done his research and known what that property should have sold for. In short, he knew he was getting a sweetheart deal and he took it anyway.
[/quote]

It is not known who sold the home to Obama, nor is the current value of the property listed. I’m sure its less then the market value of 2005! Rezko only sold him 1/6th of the adjacent land for 1/6th of the value. Nothing but good negotiations there.

Did you hear about the woman sueing her home broker that she bought her home from because it is now worth 100k less then when she bought it.

Give the kid a first chance KV! He’s bright and talented. You can’t be wrong in voting for a kid twice wrong the first time!

AIIZ

[Kinetik V]

I can't help but like the one - two combo that a Hillary presidency that taps into Bill's experience would offer, especially considering the foreign policy challenges that America is facing. I see war with China over Taiwan as inevitable, the question of how bad we get our asses handed to us will depend on how well the POTUS can work the diplomatic angles and keep the conflict on one side of the Pacific. I also worry about the Russian military resurgence...while our peaceniks are keeping the US from modernizing it's nuclear stockpile Putin is moving funds around and new ICBM's are being designed and flight tested (sans warheads). I also see a confrontation with Iran coming...they are just too meddlesome to keep ignoring and too stupid to keep from making a fuckup...say one speedboat gets a little too close to a warship, we fire, they retaliate...and here we go. In these situations I want the best leadership team available in the White House to run the show. (And having one that doesn't spend so much time on vacation like Shrub does at the Western White House I referenced earlier would be nice). I can't help but feel that Hillary would offer that..and being a woman, she wouldn't have testesterone influencing the decisions.

In short..I don't give a flying fuck about skin color, religious background, gender, or political affiliation...it's all about who can do the job the best. I did make a comment..actually I posted an email I sent to Nancy Pelosi about the stimulus package where I threated to jump parties. But I can't do it. I just feel too strongly about her candidacy to make the jump.

[Toolmaker]

Just realized, (after they made the point on the news... Doh!. ... guess I'm gender/color blind)... that the Dem ticket, for the first time in history, for a party, is a woman or a black....

HOW F*CKING COOL IS THAT!

Pretty darn cool. Does this mean the majority is going to vote Republican?

On a racial side note.. a black pal from Philly told me he's not supporting Obama because he feels that he would never get into office because of his skin color. I chided him citing black politicians that got high up and Condoleeza gettin such a high position. After hanging up the phone it hit me that maybe alot of folks out there still put alot of faith in race.. maybe the Republicans could get in again just because of the mindset of the majority of America. I hope we could be past all that but with Hillary gettin so many votes I gotta wonder if race really is an issue still. Maybe I should have voted for Edwards.. oh well hindsight 20/20 and all that.

[cowboyangel]

I can't help but like the one - two combo that a Hillary presidency that taps into Bill's experience would offer, especially considering the foreign policy challenges that America is facing. I see war with China over Taiwan as inevitable, the question of how bad we get our asses handed to us will depend on how well the POTUS can work the diplomatic angles and keep the conflict on one side of the Pacific. I also worry about the Russian military resurgence...while our peaceniks are keeping the US from modernizing it's nuclear stockpile Putin is moving funds around and new ICBM's are being designed and flight tested (sans warheads). I also see a confrontation with Iran coming...they are just too meddlesome to keep ignoring and too stupid to keep from making a fuckup...say one speedboat gets a little too close to a warship, we fire, they retaliate...and here we go. In these situations I want the best leadership team available in the White House to run the show. (And having one that doesn't spend so much time on vacation like Shrub does at the Western White House I referenced earlier would be nice). I can't help but feel that Hillary would offer that..and being a woman, she wouldn't have testesterone influencing the decisions.

In short..I don't give a flying fuck about skin color, religious background, gender, or political affiliation...it's all about who can do the job the best. I did make a comment..actually I posted an email I sent to Nancy Pelosi about the stimulus package where I threated to jump parties. But I can't do it. I just feel too strongly about her candidacy to make the jump.

Dear Kinetic, I am not a big fan of Christopher Hitchens (Support for the Iraq invasion to name a big one) but on the Clintons, he's dead on. Consider this article from Slate:

The Case Against Hillary ClintonWhy on earth would we choose to put the Clinton family drama at the center of our politics again?
By Christopher Hitchens
Posted Monday, Jan. 14, 2008, at 12:15 PM ET

Also in Slate, John Dickerson details the "distractions" the Clinton team is creating for itself, and Timothy Noah argues that she's not the experience candidate.
Hillary Clinton. Click image to expand.Hillary Clinton

Seeing the name Hillary in a headline last week—a headline about a life that had involved real achievement—I felt a mouse stirring in the attic of my memory. Eventually, I was able to recall how the two Hillarys had once been mentionable in the same breath. On a first-lady goodwill tour of Asia in April 1995—the kind of banal trip that she now claims as part of her foreign-policy "experience"—Mrs. Clinton had been in Nepal and been briefly introduced to the late Sir Edmund Hillary, conqueror of Mount Everest. Ever ready to milk the moment, she announced that her mother had actually named her for this famous and intrepid explorer. The claim "worked" well enough to be repeated at other stops and even showed up in Bill Clinton's memoirs almost a decade later, as one more instance of the gutsy tradition that undergirds the junior senator from New York.

Sen. Clinton was born in 1947, and Sir Edmund Hillary and his partner Tenzing Norgay did not ascend Mount Everest until 1953, so the story was self-evidently untrue and eventually yielded to fact-checking. Indeed, a spokeswoman for Sen. Clinton named Jennifer Hanley phrased it like this in a statement in October 2006, conceding that the tale was untrue but nonetheless charming: "It was a sweet family story her mother shared to inspire greatness in her daughter, to great results I might add."

Perfect. It worked, in other words, having been coined long after Sir Edmund became a bankable celebrity, but now its usefulness is exhausted and its untruth can safely be blamed on Mummy. Yet isn't it all—all of it, every single episode and detail of the Clinton saga—exactly like that? And isn't some of it a little bit more serious? For Sen. Clinton, something is true if it validates the myth of her striving and her "greatness" (her overweening ambition in other words) and only ceases to be true when it no longer serves that limitless purpose. And we are all supposed to applaud the skill and the bare-faced bravado with which this is done. In the New Hampshire primary in 1992, she knowingly lied about her husband's uncontainable sex life and put him eternally in her debt. This is now thought of, and referred to in print, purely as a smart move on her part. In the Iowa caucuses of 2008, he returns the favor by telling a huge lie about his own record on the war in Iraq, falsely asserting that he was opposed to the intervention from the very start. This is thought of, and referred to in print, as purely a tactical mistake on his part: trying too hard to help the spouse. The happy couple has now united on an equally mendacious account of what they thought about Iraq and when they thought it. What would it take to break this cheap little spell and make us wake up and inquire what on earth we are doing when we make the Clinton family drama—yet again—a central part of our own politics?
Click Here!

What do you have to forget or overlook in order to desire that this dysfunctional clan once more occupies the White House and is again in a position to rent the Lincoln Bedroom to campaign donors and to employ the Oval Office as a massage parlor? You have to be able to forget, first, what happened to those who complained, or who told the truth, last time. It's often said, by people trying to show how grown-up and unshocked they are, that all Clinton did to get himself impeached was lie about sex. That's not really true. What he actually lied about, in the perjury that also got him disbarred, was the women. And what this involved was a steady campaign of defamation, backed up by private dicks (you should excuse the expression) and salaried government employees, against women who I believe were telling the truth. In my opinion, Gennifer Flowers was telling the truth; so was Monica Lewinsky, and so was Kathleen Willey, and so, lest we forget, was Juanita Broaddrick, the woman who says she was raped by Bill Clinton. (For the full background on this, see the chapter "Is There a Rapist in the Oval Office?" in the paperback version of my book No One Left To Lie To. This essay, I may modestly say, has never been challenged by anybody in the fabled Clinton "rapid response" team.) Yet one constantly reads that both Clintons, including the female who helped intensify the slanders against her mistreated sisters, are excellent on women's "issues."

One also hears a great deal about how this awful joint tenure of the executive mansion was a good thing in that it conferred "experience" on the despised and much-deceived wife. Well, the main "experience" involved the comprehensive fouling-up of the nation's health-care arrangements, so as to make them considerably worse than they had been before and to create an opening for the worst-of-all-worlds option of the so-called HMO, combining as it did the maximum of capitalist gouging with the maximum of socialistic bureaucracy. This abysmal outcome, forgiven for no reason that I can perceive, was the individual responsibility of the woman who now seems to think it entitles her to the presidency. But there was another "experience," this time a collaborative one, that is even more significant.

During the Senate debate on the intervention in Iraq, Sen. Clinton made considerable use of her background and "experience" to argue that, yes, Saddam Hussein was indeed a threat. She did not argue so much from the position adopted by the Bush administration as she emphasized the stand taken, by both her husband and Al Gore, when they were in office, to the effect that another and final confrontation with the Baathist regime was more or less inevitable. Now, it does not especially matter whether you agree or agreed with her about this (as I, for once, do and did). What does matter is that she has since altered her position and attempted, with her husband's help, to make people forget that she ever held it. And this, on a grave matter of national honor and security, merely to influence her short-term standing in the Iowa caucuses. Surely that on its own should be sufficient to disqualify her from consideration? Indifferent to truth, willing to use police-state tactics and vulgar libels against inconvenient witnesses, hopeless on health care, and flippant and fast and loose with national security: The case against Hillary Clinton for president is open-and-shut. Of course, against all these considerations you might prefer the newly fashionable and more media-weighty notion that if you don't show her enough appreciation, and after all she's done for us, she may cry.




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Hillary will bring divisiveness where bipartisan creativity will be needed. She will set the various Gov agencies at odds with her agendas and encourage a rash of non-cooperativeness in same. She is more about ambition than caring as witnessed by her readiness to shed a tear about the toughness of the campaign process upon her but NOT FOR THE THOUSANDS OF DEAD SOLDIERS her immoral support of the Iraq war helped create. She will divide the Nation and remain true to her husband's republican light governance style. Ultimately, she will un-excite a new generation of youthful Americans looking for something different in government, something hopeful, something worthy of being involved in.

[Apollonaris Zeus]

The Professors at Harvard endorses OBAMA!

http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=518130

U.S. Senator Barack Obama may be the youngest major contender vying for the Democratic presidential nomination, but three prominent Harvard faculty members said yesterday that the 45-year old’s life experiences, particularly his time overseas, give him an edge over his older competitors.

“Barack Obama is the only candidate who can give us 21st-century solutions to 21st-century threats,â€

[thisisthatwhichis]

Oh, Crap, CBA...... You always try to ruin things with facts and details.......
Poor Hillary was just a "homemaker", all of those years, don't ya know...... and how does she have time to do her hair?!?....

[thisisthatwhichis]

PS- Exxon posts 44 BILLION dollars profit for 2007 others to claim the same. Do you feel like your republican admin greased your ass to fuck you or did you feel like they raped you dry?

Yea, they better get it while they can...... from what I hear, those paleontoligical sources are peaked.......

[Apollonaris Zeus]

Obama takes on the all-mighty nuclear industry:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/03/us/po ... P36fSKUeCg

The episode that prompted Mr. Obama’s legislation began on Dec. 1, 2005, when Exelon issued a news release saying it had discovered tritium, a radioactive byproduct of nuclear power, in monitoring wells at its Braidwood plant, about 60 miles southwest of Chicago. A few days later, tritium was detected in a drinking water well at a home near the plant, although the levels did not exceed federal safety standards.

At least as disturbing for local residents was the revelation that Exelon believed the tritium came from millions of gallons of water that had leaked from the plant years earlier but went unreported at the time. Under nuclear commission rules, plants are required to tell state and local authorities only about radioactive discharges that rise to the level of an emergency.

On March 1, Mr. Obama introduced a bill known as the Nuclear Release Notice Act of 2006. It stated flatly that nuclear plants “shall immediatelyâ€

[cowboyangel]

The NY Giants beat the undefeated Patriots...Ya! Obama will triumph over the White House rapist and his Wal-Mart Wife...YA!!!!!!!!~!!

[Kinetik V]

The NY Giants beat the undefeated Patriots...Ya! Obama will triumph over the White House rapist and his Wal-Mart Wife...YA!!!!!!!!~!!

Eli Manning gets his earned ring but Obama's got to run the Super Tuesday gauntlet. It ain't over yet.

[Apollonaris Zeus]

The NY Giants beat the undefeated Patriots...Ya! Obama will triumph over the White House rapist and his Wal-Mart Wife...YA!!!!!!!!~!!

Eli Manning gets his earned ring but Obama's got to run the Super Tuesday gauntlet. It ain't over yet.

It's over!

See the ticket!

Obama Hillary, Hillary Obama!

It doesn't matter! Both will be the ticket! Bow down to the rule!

AIIZ
the Universal beings look down upon us. Some weep, Some cheer! Someday we will join them, but so long the road, so long the pain, but will all be unified maybe not in this life, hopefully in the next but always in death! We are one! we are life! And we are reborn though death!
Look to the spiral! It i is your genes, your solar system and your universe!

You are the spiral and you only go one way! UP!

to through the window, to the place where the gods call, Olympus

They wait for us, they call for us!
Be patient we are the carpet crawlers!

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Jewboy don't give up. Have some hope! Give them all time all the time this universe has to give!

[cowboyangel]

Obama would do much better to pick Edwards than Wal-Mart whore and her lying husband

[Kinetik V]

Obama would do much better to pick Edwards than Wal-Mart whore and her lying husband

Some of us have no real problems with Wal-Mart. And the only perfect person would be the one named Jesus, if you happen to have Judeo-Christian beliefs. As for the rest of us...well let's use that old proverb here: People in glass houses shouldn't throw rocks. We all lie...be it to others or to ourselves. And I dare anyone to step forward and say otherwise..it's all a matter of degrees.

I judge presidents by how my life was during their term and I was better off with Bill in the White House than I was with either Bush, Carter, and even Ford. The bottom line...I want a strong leader in office the next 8 years to counter threat #1: China. Obama is not leadership material of the calibre necessary to handle the job.

[Apollonaris Zeus]

That may be so CowboyAngel but as you know its a numbers game. The top two have the most to give and Edwards has said and may even sacrifised his constintuency for the greater good to the Obama/ Hillary ticket. He have said that he wouldn't agree to a vice pres position. Only Obama has not been corrupted as bill or his wife, but they do have some great ideals for america. Obama has no corruption to hide or to have him bow down to some forces to persuade him to consider doing their evil will or lose his ambition to do so.

AIIZ

[cowboyangel]

When Presidents lie people die....and George's lies surely cost more lives than Bill's....so it matters who lies..presidential deceit is of more consequence than either you or I or a million other Americans. It is not China we have to fear my friend but America itself..specifically the Fed, Wall Street and big money brokers who really run the show. Hillary is in too far up to her ears with this bunch, so far not Obama. Bill begat Nafta which begat the manufacturing decline and job losses to south & over seas cheap labor. Will Hillary be ready to change that? I doubt it. It's policies like NAFTA, bloated war spending and corporate greed (that Wal-Mart epitomizes) that are destroying America - not China. Obama represents more of a chance for bipartisan efforts to rebuild America. Hillary's ambition and clouded past with Bill make it harder for her to accomplish that. She is hated by many Americans, Obama hasn't achieved that level of distinction, nor will he.

[Apollonaris Zeus]

Wow you posted at the same time as I did!

when does or did ever happen!

[Ugly Dougly]

Once you go black you can NEVER go back.

And please don't drink and vote, look what's happened in the last eight years.

[Apollonaris Zeus]

Way to go Barrack!

Breaking down the racial barrier everywhere even in Idaho!


AIIZ

[Apollonaris Zeus]

Hillary in deep shit. where did she make 5 million dollars?

Oh yeah, renting Lincoln's bedroom- extra if you include Bill for the night!

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/07/us/po ... ref=slogin

Barrack getting that White stuff all the way to the white house.

OK I'll shut up now

Good Night, be tight!

AIIZ