Dont visit the Springs in 2003 - Complete BULLSHIT

[boarhead]

We DID visit the springs on our way out via Jungo Road as a matter of fact and guess what we saw: Tanker trucks filling up with spring water.

Guess where all those trucking spraying water on the playa (offering Playa Showers) got their water?? Damn right, the SPRINGS!

"Dont go to the springs" was the cry not because of the "fragil ecosystem" but because the organizers didn't want folks to see the complete RAPING of the spot being done by the organizers themselves.

I think there is no doubt that the thousands of gallons pumped out of the springs during 2003 was WAY worse for the spot than the few dozen or so swimmers BM03 would have brought out there.

[bushonk]

prove it. prove it. prove it.

oh wait, you can't.

Even if you saw the tanker trucks filling up there, prove that the organizers had anything to do with it.

Take this to the stopbm thread, troll

[Badger]

<yawn>

More roadside sniping form the clueless knuckle-draggers who brought us ALLANON3 and his distorted referencing of half-truths and falsehoods for fact.

[boarhead]

True, I have no proof, but I also don't have any reason to lie...

We left the morning after the Man burned about noon and headed out Jungo road past the springs about 1:00ish if I remember right and there was TWO trucks there at that time.

BTW, I LOVED my Burningman experiance and can't wait for the regional burn this coming Memorial day here in Texas.

If you want to find out yourself, just ask the organizers where they got the water... they might actually tell the truth.

[Badger]

True, I have no proof, but I also don't have any reason to lie...

Thus, what I say is true.

Gotta fucking LOVE the logic boarhead.

Do you practice stupididty for a living? A hobby? The almost elementary 'elegence' of your argument suggests a post-doc.

[boarhead]

Stupidity? Instead of attempting to verbally attack me for offering information why don't you show some intelligence yourself and find out where that water came from.

Whether you (or anyone else) believes me or not makes no difference to me. I posted exactly what I saw, do with that information as you see fit.

Personally, I love the fact that you don't even question where the water came from. You think Ozarka donated it? Gerlach okayed those trucks to take it from their hydrants? Hauled all the way from the nearest lake?

Nope, the nearest source was the springs and it was FREE...

[III]

[this is all my current understanding - i may be out of date]

there are a number of springs at the site called frog pond. it is private land, and it and its water rights are currently leased by brcllc. the dpw engaged in some dredging and clearing at the site to provide access to cold water artesian wells which previously just ran off into the brush. these cold springs (which are near, but separate from the hot spring at that site) are the source for most of the water used for dust abatement at burning man.

i'm not sure i understand the complaint - would you care to restate it?

[Badger]

Personally, I love the fact that you don't even question where the water came from. You think Ozarka donated it? Gerlach okayed those trucks to take it from their hydrants? Hauled all the way from the nearest lake?

I know where the water comes from. I know how the water got there. I know where the water is going. In fact I know a lot more about water on the playa than you'd probably think.

I know because I started asking questions and seeking the answers a long time ago. I know more now than I did then because I haven't stopped asking the questions.

Oh, and I also know a bit about the situation you distorted. I know because I checked. I know because there was never any secret or attempt to hide the fact that a water source for dust abatement was necessary.

Instead of attempting to verbally attack me for offering information

The stament was one based more apparent fact than a verbal attack (see below).

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Pronunciation: 'stü-p&d, 'styü-
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Etymology: Middle French stupide, from Latin stupidus, from
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1 a : slow of mind : OBTUSE b : given to unintelligent decisions
or acts : acting in an unintelligent or careless manner c : lacking
intelligence or reason : BRUTISH
2 : dulled in feeling or sensation : TORPID <still stupid from the
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3 : marked by or resulting from unreasoned thinking or acting :
SENSELESS

Your thinking in the original post is unreasoned. BY YOUR OWN ADMISSION when you wrote:

True, I have no proof, but I also don't have any reason to lie...

you exhibited unreasoned thinking because you made a statement of fact about something you observed. Not knowing the basis (or background) of what you saw you make a fantastical leap and assigned cause to an action which you can show know proof.

I stand by my declaration. You showed a bucket load of stupidity in your irresponsible posting. It was stupid.

BTW, be grateful I bridled myself from throwing in the word 'ass.'[/quote]

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[KellY]

Ditto what Trey said. There is a new cold-water well/trench that was dug recently, which I am pretty damn sure the event uses for water for the roads (it's also nice to swim in ). As for damaging the ecosystem, the only difference I see is that there's a whole lot of new plant life around the trench area now that the water has been brought to the surface.

So yes, it is quite likely you saw trucks. Let's not be too hasty to cry "Ecological Destruction!" though, hmmm?

[Guest]

badger reading books and asking questions does not make you an expert on anything. do you have a degree in this field? that's what i thought.

closed minded people think they know everything yet they know so little. someday they learn that the hard way.

[stuart]

do you have a degree in this field? that's what i thought.

is this what makes one an expert? Funny, I know many folks with communications degrees who seem anything but experts in communication. Same goes for any other number of fields.

However, seems like reading books and asking questions is a pretty good start down the path of expertdom

btw

expert : having, involving, or displaying special skill or knowledge derived from training or experience.

don't see nothin bout college specifically up there

[DVD Burner]

Allanon03 is Badgers sock. seriously.

as Allanon03 he is being facetious. Not even good at being a sock.

I did a better job.

[Badger]

badger reading books and asking questions does not make you an expert on anything. do you have a degree in this field? that's what i thought.

As a matter of fact, I do.

My undergraduate degree is in Environmental Science with emphasis on damaged and disturbed ecosystems (University of Virginia - 1982 and University of Edinburgh).

Past undergrad employment includes U.S. Forestry Service, Bureau of Land Management and the U.S. Department of Interior, as well as logistics technician for the Cousteau Society during their 1980-1982 Amazon River Expedition.

Any other questions? That's what I thought.

[Badger]

Quote:

Allanon03 is Badgers sock. seriously.

as Allanon03 he is being facetious. Not even good at being a sock.

I'd ask you to prove that. In the mean time I'll draw the admin's attention to this post which I consider accusatory and without merit.

[Guest]

i guess those colleges failed to teach civility and critial thinking. open mindedeness was overlooked too. your last post reminds me of a 5 year old running to mommy to whine. if a topic gets hot you find ways to use the tos to stop it. the admins should be smart enough to keep hands off petty spats and let it go.

[Alpha]

i guess those colleges failed to teach civility and critial thinking. open mindedeness was overlooked too. your last post reminds me of a 5 year old running to mommy to whine. if a topic gets hot you find ways to use the tos to stop it. the admins should be smart enough to keep hands off petty spats and let it go.

Oh get off it already. You implied that he lacked the educational credentials to make a claim about how the land is used, and he put you in your place. I'm perfectly willing to hear debate over whether or not BM is abusing its priveleges on BLM land but you keep changing the subject whenever someone beats you at your own game.

[Bob]

I too have a diploma or two.

Pardon me while I whip the big one out.

[admin]

the admins should be smart enough to keep hands off petty spats and let it go.

Petty spats, yes. Pathological tendencies to continually make false accusations and harass other eplaya memebers, no.

Citing Section 7. e of the TOS, I have deactivated Allanon03. If anyone has an issue with this, feel free to dicuss it with me in the Case Studies thread under Eplaya feedback, where I will post this action in a moment.

~technopatra~

[stuart]

I feel all warm and fuzzy inside

<really>

[Bob]

I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.

[crickets]

[PurpleKoosh]

I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.

Sure it wasn't just heartburn?

[stuart]

is that a hardware wars reference?

[PurpleKoosh]

is that a hardware wars reference?

*hands the man a cigar*

[allanon2]

thanks DVD burner for agreign which 2 other people.

Allanon03 is Badgers sock. seriously.

as Allanon03 he is being facetious. Not even good at being a sock.

I did a better job.

[allanon2]

thnaks fo rdoingwhat is right.
takes a while. but thanks for being a good admin and standignup for your rules and regulations. wish it occured when badger and his sock threaetned and blackmail me. well tried.
but thanks

rex scates

the admins should be smart enough to keep hands off petty spats and let it go.

Petty spats, yes. Pathological tendencies to continually make false accusations and harass other eplaya memebers, no.

Citing Section 7. e of the TOS, I have deactivated Allanon03. If anyone has an issue with this, feel free to dicuss it with me in the Case Studies thread under Eplaya feedback, where I will post this action in a moment.

~technopatra~

[allanon2]

I have pictures of north tree fire protection tryign to take water out of trego.

we all know they take water out of frog pond.

if nto these two what other ones?
ttyl
rex

We DID visit the springs on our way out via Jungo Road as a matter of fact and guess what we saw: Tanker trucks filling up with spring water.

Guess where all those trucking spraying water on the playa (offering Playa Showers) got their water?? Damn right, the SPRINGS!

"Dont go to the springs" was the cry not because of the "fragil ecosystem" but because the organizers didn't want folks to see the complete RAPING of the spot being done by the organizers themselves.

I think there is no doubt that the thousands of gallons pumped out of the springs during 2003 was WAY worse for the spot than the few dozen or so swimmers BM03 would have brought out there.

[allanon2]

I have pictures of north tree fire protection tryign to take water out of trego.

we all know they take water out of frog pond.

if nto these two what other ones?
ttyl
rex

We DID visit the springs on our way out via Jungo Road as a matter of fact and guess what we saw: Tanker trucks filling up with spring water.

Guess where all those trucking spraying water on the playa (offering Playa Showers) got their water?? Damn right, the SPRINGS!

"Dont go to the springs" was the cry not because of the "fragil ecosystem" but because the organizers didn't want folks to see the complete RAPING of the spot being done by the organizers themselves.

I think there is no doubt that the thousands of gallons pumped out of the springs during 2003 was WAY worse for the spot than the few dozen or so swimmers BM03 would have brought out there.

[theCryptofishist]

agreign

Does anyone else find the use of this term insluting?