Pay Money, Get Fed, Have Zero Commuity or Self Sufficieny!

MRGUMBY · Post by **MRGUMBY** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 11:09 am

What if the meat scraps get threatened?

(They are starting to turn me on and I might want to make them my victim...)

Igneouss · Post by **Igneouss** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 11:13 am

I'll call BS on the cost issue.
The one theme camp I am familiar iwth provides a lot more service in terms of food and infrastructure for a lot less money than what was described at the top of this thread.

I am very suspicious of 'costs' that lack any sort of verifiable backup. I am doubly suspicious when the only response is 'how could anyone question US?'.

'no profit' is a slippery subject. Does the fee simply cover my food? Does it also cover the organizer's food? Does it cover transportation? Does it cover the organizer's ticket? Am I paying for someone's car and fuel to get to BM? Just about anything might end up under the 'no profit' label.

Or more likely, is this quasi religous organization using funds derived from BM to pay for other 'charitable' work off playa? Hence being 'no profit'?

In any case $200+ is way high for raw/vegan meals.

C.f.M. · Post by **C.f.M.** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 11:36 am

"In any case $200+ is way high for raw/vegan meals."

Dunno, I think raw/vegan meals would be much more costly (based on personal experience). Plus, the added effort of keeping a lot of fruits and vegetables fresh.

Unless they just plan on eating a lot of granola.

alt12 · Post by **alt12** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 11:43 am

yes, that is called an "economy"....you know where people who like to be fireman protect us from fires and people who like to farm do the farming and then we trade these goods and services using an exchange medium called "money" its fascinating! Itsn't it great that we can all do what we LOVE and exchange it for good and services with other people who do what they LOVE.....We all get to create our own sacred offering and exchange it for money and then exchange that for others' sacred offerings. I do it every day here in San Francisco.... its wonderful....

veleda wrote:Dear all;

They love to cook..That is their sacred offering to the world. I don't like to cook. I like to make art. Arenâ€™t people supposed to do what they love on the playa? This is what I hear.

At the end of last year, they had such a great time with feed the artists (which they are doing that again this year, because they LOVE to cook and liked cooking for people outside of camp as well as it helped them feel like a part of the larger burner community) they figured it would be fun to expand the kitchen and do even more of what they love. The idea was recognizing that some people are artists or performers and want to focus all their energy on doing just that.. and it was seen at least by KC as a way to make an offering to the burner community to allow more people to spend time doing what they love while they do what they love. We have friends doing everything from rangering to fire conclave to black rock radio that for whatever reason are not camping in our village..but still want to be part of our community. Hell we have a group in our village that wants to do a satellite camp somewhere else that is quiet. The intent was NEVER TO MAKE A PROFIT. No this is not commercialism.

W

j_cavera · Post by **j_cavera** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 12:18 pm

> Joking about meat scraps? Poor taste, but obviously a joke.

Meat scraps? Poor taste? Depends on how you cook 'em, I guess...

- Jim

Bold · Post by **Bold** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 1:44 pm

I would never actually throw meat scraps at anyone. Especially since no meat escapes our camp unconsumed.

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 1:55 pm

That's something that the Aesthetic Meat Foundation would do.

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 2:39 pm

I think the information or lack of it is the reason for any negative reaction.
There is no reason for threats however any of this is seen.
The question of costs/ price is a fair one and you can expect anyone to ask it.

Someone at Entheon told me they were paying $500 for tent camping space and participation, which supports the entire setup.
I can't recall if that included food, but they told me the food was very good.
At the high end of Entheon, fees and perks were higher.

Of course, at the high end, they flash freeze you for rest periods to stop aging.
That's what all the reefer trucks are for.

joel the ornery · Post by **joel the ornery** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 2:47 pm

two words keep me from eating other people's food.

food poisoning.

Token · Post by **Token** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 3:01 pm

This is just a clash of two cults.

The krishna cult somehow devised a divine blessing out of running a catering business for BM.

Larry's cult devised some nonsense about decomodification, community effort and immediacy.

We all seem to be going to Larry's party, not the golden temple.

Cults are fun.

fciron · Post by **fciron** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 3:53 pm

How is buying groceries (with money) more self-sufficient than paying someone to set me up with food. As long as I have made arrangements to feed myself it is no one else's business.

That said, if any of the rumored millionaires should stumble upon this thread please contact me about getting your own totally awesome camp, art, and or art car with gourmet catered meals and air conditioning built by a pack of paid flunkies. It's too late for 2009, but 2010 is available.

I'm sorry, I meant to say that if anyone wants to 'sponsor' some awesome stuff we will let you camp with us.

alt12 · Post by **alt12** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 5:11 pm

oooh, how much for an art-car? I'm good for it....

fciron wrote:How is buying groceries (with money) more self-sufficient than paying someone to set me up with food. As long as I have made arrangements to feed myself it is no one else's business.

That said, if any of the rumored millionaires should stumble upon this thread please contact me about getting your own totally awesome camp, art, and or art car with gourmet catered meals and air conditioning built by a pack of paid flunkies. It's too late for 2009, but 2010 is available.

I'm sorry, I meant to say that if anyone wants to 'sponsor' some awesome stuff we will let you camp with us.

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 7:31 pm

Did we ever resolve the red on the moop map issue?

fciron · Post by **fciron** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 8:12 pm

alt12 wrote:oooh, how much for an art-car? I'm good for it....

I am only half joking. Do you have an idea or do you want a complete proposal?

Hell, I ought to work up a proposal just so I know how much I need to do it for myself. If you're even half serious we could probably come up with something for 2010.

ibdave · Post by **ibdave** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 8:49 pm

theCryptofishist wrote:Did we ever resolve the red on the moop map issue?

Fishy, Nope... But this is really not the Entheon Village thread.. I was hoping that someone from the village would like to explain a few things. I have brought this up a few time here and there, but nobody wants to engage..

Beside's the MOOP the land grab was done on such a pre-planned scale that the BMORG just about gave up.. The Placers kept kicking them out all day. The Village stage in other open area and before dark moved in with camp leaders staging and placing cars and camps..

I guess this is thread drift...

alt12 · Post by **alt12** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 9:01 pm

and I'm only half good for it...

fciron wrote:
alt12 wrote:oooh, how much for an art-car? I'm good for it....
I am only half joking. Do you have an idea or do you want a complete proposal?

Hell, I ought to work up a proposal just so I know how much I need to do it for myself. If you're even half serious we could probably come up with something for 2010.

H.G.Crosby · Post by **H.G.Crosby** » Wed Jul 22, 2009 1:25 am

bull-horns....

but thats my answer for just about everything, so who am i to talk, i mean scream.

out krishna the krishnas and cover the airport like flies on shit.

oneeyeddick · Post by **oneeyeddick** » Wed Jul 22, 2009 3:36 pm

SilverOrange wrote:They are not collecting money to feed members of their camp. They are collecting money to feed the general population of black rock city.

Wow, that sounds a lot like "geefting".

How dare they !!!

* hold on a second *

........

........

Aw crap, all this recent talk about not snarking so much has worn on my conscience.

I got nothing.

* hold on a second *

BEETS !!!

I HATE BEETS !!!

I feel better now, carry on with the usual hippy bashing.

Fucking hippes........

SilverOrange · Post by **SilverOrange** » Wed Jul 22, 2009 3:57 pm

oneeyeddick wrote:
SilverOrange wrote:They are not collecting money to feed members of their camp. They are collecting money to feed the general population of black rock city.
Wow, that sounds a lot like "geefting".

How dare they !!!

* hold on a second *

........

........

Aw crap, all this recent talk about not snarking so much has worn on my conscience.

I got nothing.

* hold on a second *

BEETS !!!

I HATE BEETS !!!

I feel better now, carry on with the usual hippy bashing.

Fucking hippes........

Yeah, the only problem though is they only geeft you if you pay them two hundred and some dollars first. Like a line of credit at hippie mcdonalds.

POWERCHAIR · Post by **POWERCHAIR** » Wed Jul 22, 2009 11:49 pm

fciron · Post by **fciron** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 4:37 pm

If we weren't 2,000 miles apart that might do it.

alt12 wrote:and I'm only half good for it...

fciron wrote:
alt12 wrote:oooh, how much for an art-car? I'm good for it....
I am only half joking. Do you have an idea or do you want a complete proposal?

Hell, I ought to work up a proposal just so I know how much I need to do it for myself. If you're even half serious we could probably come up with something for 2010.

Finnegan · Post by **Finnegan** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 2:03 pm

I feel better now, carry on with the usual hippy bashing.

Geeft me, you dirty, steenking heepees!

camp-photon · Post by **camp-photon** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 9:50 pm

Did any of the haters see the kitchen and the food they were serving over at Enthion? It was worth $200.

ibdave · Post by **ibdave** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 10:34 pm

camp-photon wrote:Did any of the haters see the kitchen and the food they were serving over at Enthion? It was worth $200.

Didn't see the Kitchen, but did see a bunch of mOOp..

So camp-photon, you have read my comments and have no comment??
Did you do you mOOp pick up for 2 hours?? Did you encourage your camp-mate to do mOOp patrol?

do tell...

Finnegan · Post by **Finnegan** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 10:42 pm

It was worth $200.

That's a lot of bacon, right there!

Token · Post by **Token** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 11:07 pm

camp-photon wrote:Did any of the haters see the kitchen and the food they were serving over at Enthion? It was worth $200.

Yep. Ate there for the artist dinner before the event opened. It was OK. Nothing special. I could not survive 3 weeks out there on rabbit food.

We ate a lot better at our camp and it was much less than $25/day per person. Didn't stop us from building our project either. It actually was really fun and community building to have everyone in the camp participate.

Heck, we had half the commissary coming over for the ribeye and homebrew.

But then again, tourism seems to be the wave of the future for BM. Doesn't mean we can't go down fighting, screaming and hating.

I kinda like the sound of that.

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Fri Jul 31, 2009 9:59 am

camp-photon wrote:Did any of the haters see the kitchen and the food they were serving over at Enthion? It was worth $200.

Okay. I don't want any of my money going to the Krishnas. If that makes me a "hater" (gawd, I love that term, what does it mean again? "you're mean cause you don't like what I like--and you couldn't have a legitimate beef with anything I do"), then I am a hater.

Finnegan · Post by **Finnegan** » Fri Jul 31, 2009 10:10 am

I hate the hating haters.

And the term "Cult" has lost some of its zing in the last decade or two, but the Krishnas really do qualify. Snappy dressers, though! I know two people who have already forked over (ha!) their cash, so I will definitely be stopping by to check it out.

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Fri Jul 31, 2009 10:42 am

Of course, the Krishnas are also famous for feeding people for a few days, not enough protein, too much starch, softening you up for recruitment. And the burn is a very good place to be short on sleep. It could be a real sweet thing for them, when you think about it.

falk · Post by **falk** » Sat Aug 01, 2009 12:56 am

camp-photon wrote:Did any of the haters see the kitchen and the food they were serving over at Enthion? It was worth $200.

I'm sure it was -- to their customers.

I didn't see the food. I only saw the trash and the hundreds of bikes they parked in front of their neighbors art. And heard their loud sound system all night long.

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