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Post by Toolmaker » Wed May 06, 2009 1:05 pm

Oldguy wrote:I still get 53 mpg on my old '91 Geo Metro beater. Why doesn't GM retool a closed plant to remake them? The small frame would be ideal for an electric model too. I'm still waiting for Detroit to get a clue.
Probably because they bought Daewoo.. the Daewoo Lanos is now the Chevy Aveo.

We got one because 1 I'm a GM guy and 2 I didn't know it was Korean until after the purchase. The Honda Fit came out a year later and I wish we would have waited. I like Honda better than Daewoo.

At 40K miles the 2005 Aveo is doing good, stop n go gets us about 22MPG with 28MPG on the highway. So far nothing has gone to hell but I'm not diggin the way some of the stuff is made. But the wife wanted a clown car so she gets what she wants for putting up with me all these years.

I have 2 trucks.. one full size chevy and one s10.. both with the non vortec 4.3 v6. I get about 16-18MPG city with both. Using high quality plugs and top grade gas is what makes this possible. I've considered trying to make a retrofit for the TBI along the lines of vapor injection but am afraid I might blow myself up. Since I'm not educated enough I stick with diesel conversions to veg oil. I've done a few for others and hope to have all our vehicles replaced with diesels so I can have more fuel options. The bus I had was sold to pay bills so maybe the next one I get we will get to keep. I am also keeping an eye on the auctions for a diesel truck so I can get rid of gas engines. The full size chevy is due to be a mutant so I am not really into gettin rid of it. It is my first p/u and I don't have the heart to dump it.

A really big way to be more fuel friendly is to take a bicycle and add a small motor. I've managed to convince a few neighbors and friends to go this route and have a small BMX with a chainsaw ghetto style motor mount myself. The ones I make for others use the retail kits and are chain drive. My BMX has the chainsaw sans chain sitting ontop of the wheel. If I ever get around to it I'll make a nicer one for myself using a trike. That way shopping could be done at 150+MPG.

Powered bikes are way better than cars and you save loads by not having to have insurance. This may not be for all since weather can impede the amount you get to use it but even if you only use it 1/4 of the year you are saving thousands of dollars.
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Post by unjonharley » Wed May 06, 2009 1:16 pm

A lot of things that are old should be new again..

I would have to steal two qurts of gas to get ten miles home from over the ridge..Still had a pint left.. That's with a couple of hills that you had to shift down on. In my first Model A.. Holding on for dear life to keep it in the wheel ruts @ 65 MPH on a dirt road. It had the power, speed and gas mileage.

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Post by can't sit still » Sun May 24, 2009 8:22 pm

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Post by can't sit still » Sun May 24, 2009 8:56 pm

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Post by BAS » Sun May 24, 2009 10:31 pm

Not too sure about the wood burner-- if they can reduce the size of the converter so it doesn't fill up a truck bed it might be workable.

I remember how my slot cars always seemed to shoot off the track... :wink: The electric toothbrush I own which uses that recharge system seems to work pretty good, though.
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Post by ygmir » Sat May 30, 2009 6:53 am

yeah, producer gas is sort of a "last resort", but, workable on a small scale.........not to efficient, though........

seems methane would be a good alternative, since, it can be made separately from the vehicle, and, passively.
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Post by can't sit still » Sat May 30, 2009 11:30 am

Producer gas works on a large scale too. Seattle never demo'd their old producer gas plant. Trucks can be built without wasting the whole bed;
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Post by can't sit still » Fri Jun 05, 2009 7:10 am

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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Sat Jun 06, 2009 8:28 pm

Gas back to $70 a barrel.

Now about that anti oil speculation legislation

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Post by can't sit still » Sun Jun 07, 2009 6:56 am

Zeus, we all know what you mean. Oil at $ 70. A standard 42 gallon barrel of gasoline would cost $ 120 a barrel at 3 bucks a gallon. Gas at $70 would be $ 1.67 a gallon.
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Post by wkorthof » Tue Jun 09, 2009 10:23 am

I also drive one of those plug-in cars.

Sourcing electricity for our vehicles isn't the problem... it's the oil.
Battery electric cars have a key advantage: efficiency.

The upstream losses producing gasoline are large enough that we'd be better off not messing with the oil in the first place.

Extracting and refining oil into gasoline (or diesel)... or wasting perfectly edible food crops on ethanol or biodiesel takes massive (and increasing) quantities of other forms of energy. The _electricity_ used in California refineries would be enough to power electric cars for everyone in the state. Why bother with oil? Just use the electricity directly for cars!

The massive amounts of natural gas used to extract oil of tar sands would be better used in existing power plants---electric cars can travel as many miles without bothering with the tar sands.

Or should I be drinking Chevron's propaganda cool-aid like everyone else?
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Post by Oldguy » Tue Jun 09, 2009 9:34 pm

From Fox:
FOX Car Report

Coda

So here's an idea: Take an existing car, re-engineer it with a large lithium-ion battery pack, rebrand it, and sell it in the US as the first all-electric car of its kind.

Aha, you say! The 2009 Tesla Roadster!

Errrrr ... well ... no. It's the Coda, a new four-door, five-passenger electric sedan expected to go on sale in autumn 2010, a couple of months ahead of the 2011 Chevrolet Volt extended-range electric vehicle.

Coda is the new brand that will sell the highway-capable vehicle developed and engineered by Miles Electric Vehicles of Santa Monica, California. And, it may become the first NHTSA-certified vehicle built in China to be sold in the US.

Just as Tesla did with its Roadster, which was substantially based on the Lotus Elise, Coda searched for an existing sedan platform that could be "Federalized," or pass all applicable US crash standards

They found it in the Hafei Saibao 3—a four-door sedan built in Harbin, China, that sells for $12,000 with a gasoline engine.

Based on Mitsubishi components, and styled and certified by Italian design and engineering firm Pininfarina, Coda's version of the sedan swaps out the engine and transmission for a 37 kilowatt-hour ithium-ion battery pack from another state-owned company, Tianjin Lishen.

The Coda will have a range of 90 to 120 miles, depending on usage. The company quotes a top speed above 80 miles per hour, and 0-60 times of 8.5 seconds. A full recharge will take six hours using 220-Volt power, the same kind used by electric stoves and clothes driers.

Tesla certainly won't consider the Coda any kind of competition for the stylish, sporty 2012 Tesla Model S sedan it hopes to build starting in 2012.

But the Coda raises an interesting question: Is it possible to build a brand by buying other peoples' vehicles and powertrains and marketing them with a twist?
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Post by BAS » Tue Jun 09, 2009 10:56 pm

Hmm. I think that the Coda sounds like it has a good shot at success.

As far as biodiesel goes, the way I would want to make it is with waste vegetable oil. I'm fairly certain I am not depriving anyone of eating THAT stuff! :P (Hmm, when we had that big waste cooking oil spill, I learned that Transportation isn't using Food Service's waste oil to make their biodiesel. So who in the heck is taking it away, and is the University paying someone to dispose of it, or getting paid...? I would not be at all surprised to find it is the least cost effective answer. Now, if that is the case, how resistant to change would they be?)
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Post by can't sit still » Tue Jun 16, 2009 5:50 pm

Another electric; http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/new ... eiled.html
Another water powered;

Hey, I just copy-and-paste. Dunno why it spaces out :D
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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Tue Jun 16, 2009 5:58 pm

can't sit still wrote: Another water powered;
http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=CrxfMz2eDME
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Post by Dork » Sat Jul 04, 2009 3:13 pm

I'm getting 40mpg in my new (to me) beater:

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I wish more cars like this were available in the US. It gets up to speed just fine and has plenty of room inside for 2 adults and 2 kids, 4 adults if 2 of them don't mind being a little squished. Ford makes an even smaller and very popular little car, but only for overseas markets.

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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Thu Jul 09, 2009 9:22 pm

Oil price plummet after Obama administration announces end to speculative non-commercial trading of energy futures. 4/5ths of all trades this year were non-commercial spec trades causing oil to rise $40 to over $70.

this leak has made the specs to unload oil before their prices collapsed.

expect another decrease of $15 or more in the price of oil and stable rates instead of the current volitile fluxuations.

This should also slow the price increase of fuel efficient vehicles.

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Post by can't sit still » Mon Jul 13, 2009 5:26 pm

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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Mon Jul 13, 2009 7:10 pm

Sounds like a major improvement, but I wonder what is the expected life and cost of the laser. it does seem to reduce carbons from a cold engine. Wonder if it can also improve starting in a diesel engine.

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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Mon Jul 13, 2009 9:21 pm

Exxon invests heavily in cellulosic ethanol.

I believe I discussed this topic about three years ago after my last visit to BM. now it seems that they have biogenetically advanced lipid production in algae.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/14/busin ... ozlsslnDLQ

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Post by can't sit still » Mon Jul 20, 2009 9:03 pm

Mercedes may build an electric;
SLS AMG "electric drive" is powered by four in-wheel electric motors providing 526 horsepower and maximum torque of 649 lb-ft. A liquid-cooled 48 kWh, 400-volt lithium-ion battery provides the juice. Mercedes-Benz
http://www.popsci.com/cars/article/2009 ... sports-car
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Post by Monkeypoo » Mon Jul 20, 2009 10:20 pm

My fucking car LATELY was my beautiful MICARGI $200 bicycle. Well, OK, it was my Sammi's, but she gave it to me. It was VERY fuel efficient, until some fuckwad asswipe hit me enroute 1/4 mile from home and threw me slam dunk into the fucking pavement. Ya know what, y'all? Now I'm fucking PISSED. I've been thru the shock, thru the crying, and thru the pain and disbelief. Now I'm fucking ANGRY. I wanna DO something. Now I just wanna become some kind of a bicycle advocate, and rebel and hurt people who drive cars, talking in their fucking cell phones, not paying attention to bicyclists. I am ANGRY. I am not gonna apologize. I AM PISSED.

edit part: I mean it! I am FUCKING PISSED now. I can't believe how pissed I am. With as much pain I have been in, I took a fucking walk outside my condo-plex today. Slowly, mind ya. I walked out onto Sunrise Blvd, I walked 1/4 mile to the store and back (limping). I saw the accident scene. Then I looked back at the drivers. Out of 12 fucking cars I looked at, 8 were talking on their fucking cell phones not paying attention. The guy who hit me did not see me. He didn't look both ways. He was too busy talking on his fucking cell phone. *breathe, Poo, breathe* I am serious. Bicycle riders have rights. People in cars need to pay better attention.





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Post by can't sit still » Sun Aug 16, 2009 6:49 am

http://energy-for-future.blogspot.com/
"They claim that their electric cars can be charged fully within ten minutes."
"lithium iron-phosphate batteries."
"This car will require a 350 kW of power to attain that ten minute charge time"
That will be a good trick; to charge batts at 350 KW for 10 minutes and NOT have them heat up.
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Post by trenton » Sun Aug 16, 2009 7:22 am

I have to have a large truck for my trade, that gets about 12mpg. My wife has a car that gets about 27mpg. I do keep them tuned and good tires ect, I dont like to spend so much on fuel because I have to pass the cost on to my customers. Chevy now makes a Hybred that would nearly triple my milage however the 40k pls price tag cannot justify the fuel savings . The price added to my customers bill would put me out of work. With the economy slow, labor prices have droped to just above what I was making 20 yrs ago , Its a double eged sword. However when I get too old to install any more I will down-size considerably. I do miss my chevy S-10 that I had before , It was much more fun to drive and alot better on fuel.

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Post by can't sit still » Sun Aug 16, 2009 7:44 am

Trenton, I stop by all the time. Rotten Robbies in Santa Nella is my first fuel stop on the way to Oregon. What do you install? I've got an old Dodge Diesel that hauls a lot of weight and still gets great mileage; 20 mpg @ 70 mph with a modified pump [came that way] The stock ones get about 26 empty and are pretty cheap now.
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Post by can't sit still » Wed Sep 16, 2009 7:03 pm

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Post by can't sit still » Thu Sep 17, 2009 4:50 pm

Ed Steer of our Gold & Silver Daily sent along the following that suggests otherwise…

A clunker that travels 12,000 miles a year at 15 mpg uses 800 gallons of gas a year.

A vehicle that travels 12,000 miles a year at 25 mpg uses 480 gallons a year.

So, the average Cash for Clunkers transaction will reduce U.S. gasoline consumption by 320 gallons per year.

They claim 700,000 vehicles so that's 224 million gallons saved per year.

That equates to a bit over 5 million barrels of oil.

5 million barrels is about 5 hours worth of U.S. consumption.

More importantly, 5 million barrels of oil at $70 per barrel cost about $350 million dollars.

So, the government paid $3 billion of our tax dollars to save $350 million.

The government spent $8.57 for every dollar saved.
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Post by gyre » Thu Sep 17, 2009 5:06 pm

You expected more from a program that destroyed working vehicles?

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Post by can't sit still » Sat Sep 19, 2009 7:56 pm

Now that the world understands that oil is abiotic, there are a whole lot of new places to look for it. Apparently, oil rises up from deeper in the mantle. It was recently discovered that old oil reservoirs are refilling. Also, oil is now found deep below igneous strata where it was believed not to exist when Hubbert made his calculations. The US spent years looking for oil in Viet-Nam. They never found any except for good deposits off the coast. By looking with different criteria, there have been discoveries in the White Tiger field in viet-Nam. Seems that there is lots of oil.
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Post by can't sit still » Thu Oct 01, 2009 7:36 am

There's supposedly a new turbo system. They claim to get 40 mpg on a 775 HP. Vette.

http://neohydrotechnology.com/reports/NHYT.ppt
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