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Post by can't sit still » Sun Dec 27, 2009 1:16 pm

Deb, let me add to your summary. The banks have NO capital. Since it's in the banker's favor to treat debt as if it were wealth, we've flat run out of wealth. Americans have $5 trillion in savings,,, if I remember correctly. Japan is coasting along just by GOV using private savings. I suspect that American GOV won't be able to do that. The banks are hoarding every penny. They know a deadbeat when they see one. They aren't likely to buy GOV debt either.
Let me quote SIR Greenspan " we're headed for complete financial chaos". Is that clear enough? I'm not being sarcastic. It's just that people, in general, are oblivious.
NOBODY has the money to keep America going. There is always the possibility of pulling a rabbit out of a hat. Celente said that if America were to utilize ZPE, they could survive. The existing power structure isn't likely to let go of their hold.

The big problem is momentum. The economy is so big that it's very hard to change direction. You're probably aware that the National Guard put up advertisements looking for people to staff the internment camps. What does that imply to you?

if GOV lied about $ 509 billion in bond sales,,,, the FED is only going to buy $200 Billion,,, the FED is going to cut off currency "printing" on, of all dates, April fools day. This tells you that there is way less in the treasury that reported. It also tells you that, after the first quarter, the treasury will have almost no money to operate.

It's far too late in the game for GOV to save itself by raising taxes. Reportedly, GOV has $ 50 trillion in the CAFR accounts. I doubt that GOV can or will liquidate.
Money is a claim on labor and materials. If nobody is working or producing, what is the value of those claims? Hyperinflation is when you have way too many claims for the amount of labor and materials. You can accomplish hyperinflation by increasing the number of claims or by reducing the amount of labor and materials.

The US is doing both.
GOV is so busy destroying wealth to prosecute wars that, all it has left is debt.

Imagine if a farmer has a big property producing food products. He sells lots of food and buys a gold bar. He stores the gold bar in his attic.
Now, imagine that same farmer produces the same products and uses the money to buy more farm land. This is a weak analogy for bonds. The wealth is withdrawn from the producing economy. Since banks only create the principle, not the interest, the economy is forced to grow just to service the debt.
The gold bar and the bonds have no intrinsic value. They can only be used as a claim against future production. The PTB are siting on $ quadrillions "worth" of debt instruments that only have value if there is production. In America's case domesticproduction. What value are our bonds?

The banks withdrew the money out of the economy to keep us from getting too comfortable,,, and stop producing. This was OK with the PTB because it tended to limit the birth rate. This artificial poverty is the reason that the US doesn't have 500 million people. Malthus was/is right. He was just wrong on his timing. Peak food producing resources HAS to appear some day.

The US was/is no longer competitive. The FED tried lots of subterfuges to draw in foreign money. It worked for a while. The foreign money has stopped flowing. The banks try to rescue the banks first. With so much blood [wealth] lost, there is no way to revive the corpse. Transfusions of toxic debt just can't re-animate the economy.

The banks will sacrifice the dollar rather than sacrifice themselves. The banksters hope to come out on the other side with control of a huge part of the economy. If the economy collapses and we all slip towards a global mean wage, their bonds won't be worth much.
Shoot, I'm no economist :?
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Post by Deb Prothero » Sun Dec 27, 2009 1:26 pm

Since I am fortunate and don't live in the US but rather am Canadian, how do you think that the collapse of the US economy is going to affect other countries.

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Post by can't sit still » Sun Dec 27, 2009 3:54 pm

The collapse will be tough on economies that have few resources. Canada has lots of resources. Canada produces 140% of it's food needs. Canada has lots of water and energy.
In general, a country's fortunes will depend on what percentage of it's population are producers and what percentage are non-producers. Pensioners and people on the dole expect GOV or some other group to support them.
The mature economies wrote pensions based on a continuance of high-wage producers paying into the pension funds. The unfunded liabilities in the US are reported to be $ 110 trillion. Great Britain already has DIY euthanasia clinics. Granny will have to choose between freezing and starving,,,,, and, checking out.
The corporatocracy doesn't want any non-producers hanging on wasting resources. The countries that have a strong tradition of taking care of the elderly at home will have less "legacy" costs.
The problem, in general, is that private banks went bust. The banks told the GOV "give us all your money" The people have no money. If the people toss out the banks and use debt-free money, they can pull their domestic economy out of the dumps fairly well. If they continue to live and struggle under the thumb of the bankers, it will be decades before they have a viable economy.
Any given country's future will depend on releasing the death-grip of the parasites.
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Post by Sail Man » Tue Dec 29, 2009 2:34 pm

This is a charming bit of reading...

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Post by Deb Prothero » Tue Dec 29, 2009 5:58 pm

Is this FEMA activity of developing detention camps really happening?

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Post by can't sit still » Tue Dec 29, 2009 8:49 pm

Rreportedly, KBR got the contract. http://www.kbr.com/news/2006/govnews_060124.aspx
But, there still seems to be some doubt;

Then, there's the recent camp idea for 6 camps,, I think;
http://www.infowars.com/new-legislation ... mps-in-us/
Beck talked about FEMA camps. http://www.sunlituplands.org/2009/03/ob ... camps.html
The 800 camps idea does not seem unfounded. Chances are, they exist. I suspect that most of the emigrees to these camps will go voluntarily. There ARE a lot of hungry people. There are a lot of people who believe that GOV is the ultimate security blanket.

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,"

The Illuminaughty would like to eliminate a lot of "useless eaters" Imagine a few million people in camps with nothing to do. Now, imagine the Superdome during Katrina. I just don't see how they can keep order in the camps. Also, I suspect that you would NOT be allowed to leave unless you could prove that employment was waiting for you.
There are a lot of possibilities but i wouldn't trust GOV with their track record of disorganization.
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Post by can't sit still » Wed Dec 30, 2009 7:40 am

Here's one more report from one more optimist; "It’s not 5 years out anymore in my calculations, we have roughly two more years left."
http://financialsense.com/fsu/editorial ... /1229.html
YOU have to read the info. YOU have to decide just how much of it is true and likely. YOU have to practice radical preparedness. I will bring stuff to your attention. I try not to post stuff that is obviously out of the realm of possibility. YOUR future is YOUR responsibility. Don't count on GOV
If you watched the short vid from the Oregon senator, he was VERY emphatic that any plan should include ALL 3 branches of GOV. Apparently, he feels that congress is going to get left out in the cold. What does that imply for private individuals?
From a historical point of view, it would be nothing new for the military and executive branch to circle the wagons,,, exclude the populace,, and let the whole show burn to the ground.

Our unfunded liabilities are reportedly $ 110 trillion. A large chunk of that is for GOV employee pensions. I imagine that the corporatocracy will cut off pensions very early in the game. UGLY. Once again, history does NOT favor us.
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Post by can't sit still » Sat Jan 09, 2010 5:54 pm

One must remember that US treasury bonds only have value if America remains productive and can reimburse investors. NBC reports that the FED bought 80% of bonds last year;
http://www.newworldorderreport.com/Arti ... -2009.aspx
OK, so the FED bought bonds with free money,, that they printed. Now, the FED says that they won't print any more money to buy bonds after march. If the FED won't even risk free money, what does they imply to other investors?

One also has to keep in mind that bankers are mesmerized by greed and are corrupt. They're corrupt because they expect to make tons of money without any work. This attitude is a guarantee that they will eventually destroy any system. The average life of a fiat currency is 30--40 years. The US dollar is 39 years old. Currencies are destroyed by politicians, not economies. Usually by over-issue or war. We've done both.

The banks eliminated Glass-Stegall turning a blind eye to the almost-guaranteed crash that it would cause. The banks are now running the show. The bankers all worshiped at the altar of greed, ignoring the altar of sustainability. Once again, the bankers must steal to survive. Once again, the bankers have deluded themselves into believing that they have things under control.
The next target of the bankers is your 401K. They're going to force you to buy treasuries with your savings. How very nice of them;
http://market-ticker.denninger.net/arch ... oming.html

This is a great post by FOFOA;
http://fofoa.blogspot.com/2010/01/i-can ... oming.html
There is a video imbeded that has Bernanke insisting that the FED would NOT monetize the debt. After monetizing a $ couple trillion, they say that they won't monehttp://market-ticker.denninger.net/archives/1830-401kIRA-Screw-Job-Coming.htmltize any more. We'll see. The important fact is that they have lost control. Beck makes great points.

This article talks about adaptive cycles;
http://theautomaticearth.blogspot.com/2 ... ycles.html
About 1/4 of the way down is a graph of " Diminishing Marginal Productivity of Debt in the US Economy "
It's very important in that it shows that credit is NOT helping the economy.
There are several quotes from Tainter, who wrote, " The Collapse of Complex Societies" ;
"Tainter observes that the peer polity nature of the modern world creates a more apt comparison with the rapid collapse of the ancient Maya than with the slow decline of Rome. To use Holling's terminology, we have seen a panarchy of nested cycles synchronize, with the effect of artificially extending the growth phase for all simultaneously. The evidence for this is abundantly available in terms of the many limits to growth we are approaching or have reached, most notably the high EROEI energy required to maintain complexity. The significant risk is therefore of deep collapse ovehttp://market-ticker.denninger.net/archives/1830-401kIRA-Screw-Job-Coming.htmlr a relatively short period of time"

Another graph, 1/3 down shows "household borrowing"
It's truly the end of an era. GOV is trying to borrow $trillions to make up the difference. Borrowing is the creation of DEBT, NOT wealth.
The FED was responsible for the purchasing of 80% of treasury debt in 2009. GOV needs to sell $ 2100 billion of debt in 2010. The FED says that they won't buy more than $ 200 billion. They won't print money after march to buy debt.

The post by FOFOA seems to call for a debt funding crisis after march. The guy shows such analytical brilliance that I don't see any avenue to argue with his conclusions.
Foreign central banks have all pulled back from buying US debt. I don't see US bond auctions going on for much longer. We will reach a point where it is advantageous to "short" the dollar. That will start a bloodbath and a rush to the exits.
The banks will close [Argentina style] and withdrawals will be severely limited when they re-open.
GOV/ banks are running out of money. They are going to take your money. The 401Ks will do for a while. Then, they will run 17% of the GNP through their greedy little fingers in the form of health insurance. After that is washed away, they expect to get $ 5 trillion or so from carbon taxes.
No Vaseline in this screw job :evil:
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Post by can't sit still » Wed Jan 13, 2010 8:54 pm

I'm trying to keep the info on this thread kinda academic rather than just speculative. I found a very good paper from Vicky Davis. She shows pretty good proof that the multinationals considered the US to be over the hill, non-competitive and heavily burdened with social costs. GOV knew that it was destroying the economy but it had a half-assed plan to [hopefully] save things.
http://www.channelingreality.com/Econom ... on_ome.htm

"One of the root causes of our economic problems began with efficiency: "
"When the government, technology and financial services industry leaders decided to globalize our economy in the early 1990’s by connecting it via the Internet, they knew that our domestic economy was going to be crippled. I’m not sure they realized that it was going to be fatal"
"The government would shift it’s focus to small businesses – funding startups on the theory that the Internet was going to make everybody an entrepreneur. "
"Never mind that the plans were delusional, the game plan was facilitated by government and the government statistical reports were rigged to “hide the declineâ€
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Post by can't sit still » Fri Jan 15, 2010 7:23 pm

Well, it's time for an update. The pace of disintegration is accelerating. Kunstler says that the economy has "6 months to live". But since he's promoting his new book, one has to allow for a bit of exaggeration? doom? He has always made his centerpiece "peak oil"
http://www.24hgold.com/english/news-gol ... d+Kunstler
The latest from Bill Bonner is claiming/speculating that Saudi Arabian oil production will crash very soon. Jim Willies speculates that Saudi will crash this year,,, who knows.
Bloomberg, et al claim that Japan will blow,,, same for Great Britain.

Ty Andros has a very good paper talking about the G7. I was going to quote some excerpts but, it wouldn't do justice. The paper has a lot of supporting links. I would suggest reading the WHOLE paper,,,, as if your future depended on it. I would not suggest reading it if you have any trouble sleeping :D :cry:
http://www.traderview.com/tedbits/tedbi ... ookPt1.pdf

The G-7 economies are so dysfunctional that there will be NO recovery from the edge. 0% interest and continual stimulus are keeping the cadaver mobile. The 23% rally in the S&P is matched by a 23 % increase in the price of gold,,,, no gains. The paper mentions the late discovery that public pensions are underfunded by just $ 70 trillion.

Just to be clear about my beliefs and the beliefs of those who have been correct all along in their prognostications;
There will be NO turning,, no recovery,, no last minute save. When the bond markets collapse, the accumulated wealth of the West will evaporate.
You can say that I'm a pessimist. The difference between a pessimist and a realist is dependent on the real-life outcome. We shall see. :cry:
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Post by can't sit still » Sun Jan 17, 2010 5:05 pm

This was written in 1997; "Short term interest rates in the USA will be driven thru the floor much the way they have been in Japan from the early 90s. This will be done to combat a imploding equity market. Long government bonds will almost stop trading"
http://www.usagold.com/goldtrail/archives/another1.html
This is page one of a 5 page collection of posts from "another" Another is some kind of highly informed financier of GOV guy. The posts are from several years ago but, the guy has a fascinating "take" on the relationship between gold and oil.
Among other things, he claims that oil is sold for a currency price and then a gold premium is added on top. After reading his explanations, I believe that the guy is brilliant.

Like many others, his timing is a bit premature. Western GOVs are trying to patch things together as fast as they fall apart. It's possible that "another" is brilliant but, not accurate,, dunno. One can only gather corroborating evidence. It is true that OPEC countries pulled their gold out of London and moved it home. Same with Hong Kong. It's also true that the oil--gold ratio has been extremely stable. If GOV has to fork over a gold premium on top of the cash price for oil, that might explain why GATA claims that there is 11,000 tons too much gold circulating in the world,,,, given the quantity that central banks claim to have on hand.

There was recently a big splash made by a claim that China received tungsten-cored gold bars,,, 400 oz. There is some corroborating evidence of high-level people being quietly removed from the London central bullion bank. It supposedly happened at the same time that the Rockefellers gave up their seat on the London Fix,, after 200 years. The only paper that reported the whole thing was a paper in Pakistan.
http://www.daily.pk/fake-gold-bars-in-b ... nox-14477/

The repeated conclusion is that Saudi Arabia doesn't intend to give up their oil for paper money. IF the US sent tungsten bars to china, what have we sent to OPEC? We probably sent the real gold to OPEC and shafted the people who we don't need. :wink:
If we are indeed out of gold, we may soon be out of oil. It looks like the US will have to default anyway. The papers by Another are a fascinating read.
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Post by can't sit still » Wed Jan 20, 2010 7:29 pm

There is a tug-of-war in the making. This is from Jim Sinclair;
"2. If "BB" Ben Bernanke moves one inch off the "QE to Infinity" track, the Fed will be closed down two days later."
The group of European bankers that own the FED,,, own the Federal Reserve Note. [our money] They don't want to overprint the FRN because it would lose all it's value.
The FED printed enough [virtual] FRNs to buy 80% of U.S. bonds last year. GOV wants the FED to continue to supply them with "free money" forever. The FED told GOV that they will print $200 billion more this quarter and NO more.
GOV wants to destroy the value of the FRN to make it painless to repay the national debt.
The FED wants to maintain the value of the FRN so that all the bonds that they bought have some value.
How , exactly would one close the FED? If the FED were closed, how would investors redeem bonds? The treasury can only redeem bonds by paying in FRNs.

The congress made an agreement [unconstitutional] with a group of bankers back in 1913 to act as our central bank,,,, to avoid economic swings. 16 years later, we had our first depression. NOT a great success story.
What can GOV do to the FED if the FED refuses to print free money?
What can the FED do to GOV [or the economy] to prevent this? Judging by the very clearly demonstrated control of D.C. by the financial institutions, I suspect that the FED will get it's way at the end of march.
Legitimate bond sales are almost zilch. FED will supply $ 200 billion. We need to rollover $ 1.2 trillion. We're short a cool $ trillion. The other minor problem is that GOV has a lot of bills for operation. $ 10 billion a day keeps GOV supplied with beans and bacon.
http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/us_ ... chart.html

So, in a tug-of-WAR, between big banks and big [broke] GOV, who is going to prevail?
Last but, not least; what is going to happen to the little GUY? :cry:
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Post by can't sit still » Mon Jan 25, 2010 8:39 pm

Well, we're not screwed bad enough yet,,, SO, the Dems want to raise the debt ceiling another $ 1.9 trillion. They admit that GOV will run out of money if they don't raise the ceiling. If you look at the third graph on this page, it shows the national debt;
http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/arch ... to-recover
The article claims that we aren't ever going to revive the old economy. In reality, our business model is completely non-competitive. The economy of China is only about the size of the economy of California. China has been able to generate $ 2 trillion in surpluses in just a few years. California is $ 200 billion in the red according to the Jarvis foundation.

Simple logic would tell you that our system is performing poorly compared to China's system. Simple logic would also tell you that wage disparity couldn't be the only reason.
GOV says that they will run out of money. OK, so they print "money"
The problem is that they print little pieces of paper that are backed by our national productivity. Our national productivity just isn't happening.
Each of use owes something like $380,000 $$$ If you count unfunded liabilities, it doubles.

This page has a graph of S&P earnings,, long term. Take a good hard look at the wealth of this country. The infrastructure and productive capacity is falling apart. The S&P graph is a good representation of our national wealth.
http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article16740.html
Americans are willing to work,,, some of them at least. They can't find a job because our business model is pathetically crooked.
The US survived until it's crooked and inefficient business model crashed up against a MUCH larger producer with a more efficient model.

The rest of the world is redeeming US securities as they mature. They know that they will take a loss when we default. They will still move forward because of their superior business model.
We put our faith in war and immorality. They put their faith in commerce.
We won't return to prosperity until our all-to-expensive empire is left behind.
That will be a hard-sell to the PTB.
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Post by can't sit still » Tue Jan 26, 2010 10:04 am

I know that I sound like the voice of doom and gloom. I just found some new gloom. The Japanese are great savers. They sock away every penny. So, GOV just sells bonds to the banks and take every penny. Their debt is 200% of their GDP. This is astronomically high. But, as long as the money never ran out, GOV kept spending to stimulate.
Well, the money runs out this year,,, reportedly.
http://dollarcollapse.com/articles/what ... est-of-us/
So, Japan has enormous debt that has wiped out the savings of everyone. They just don't know it yet.
Japan imports 100% of their energy and 80% of their food. They are REALLY going to be pissed off when reality comes knocking.
Unlike Asia which is prospering, Japan's banking system is modeled after ours. The GOV/people have been supporting the zombie banks for many years. Unlike France, Japan has almost no nuclear power.
The day will come when Japan can no longer buy oil because it wasted the money on banks. Pretty sucky for the Japanese. :(
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Post by gyre » Tue Jan 26, 2010 10:50 am

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_Japan

(2001) composition ratios for Japan's electric utilities' generating plant capacity (left) and generated electricity (right)
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http://www.japannuclear.com/nuclearpowe ... urces.html

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Post by can't sit still » Tue Jan 26, 2010 5:33 pm

Gyre, I stand corrected, though I do suppose that they import the fuel rods for the reactors. I was quoting Bill Bonner. All I'm interested in is accuracy,, not my personal veracity. 8)
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Post by gyre » Tue Jan 26, 2010 5:56 pm

They're still importing a lot.
They've been building some honking big reactors though.
I don't know if the biggest one is on line yet.

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Post by Rabbi Dali Rick » Wed Jan 27, 2010 7:46 am

oK all I want to know is when this all goes down who will be the one to win?




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Post by Ugly Dougly » Wed Jan 27, 2010 1:50 pm

Sail Man wrote:This is a charming bit of reading...

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/camps.htm

The govt is already planning for when the SHTF. We are fools if we do not as well.
kathaksung! Where do I know that guy from? He used to post endlessly on &TOTSE back in the day, I think.

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Post by can't sit still » Wed Jan 27, 2010 4:52 pm

Rabbi, nobody will win. Asia will lose the least. That's ONLY if the West can't figure out some way to start a war with them. Our weather is man-made. WE could screw up China really badly.
The Haiti quake is suspicious because there wasn't a tsunami and also the reports seem to indicate that there was no damage or shaking outside Port au Prince. I've read reports that Haiti has both oil and gold deposits. So far, I haven't seen follow-up.
There seems little doubt that various groups can cause earthquakes at will. Secretary of State Cohen said as much in 1976. If we all degenerate into a free-for-all of causing climate disaster, there will be a lot of losers. Cohen also said that "they" can cause volcano eruptions. Imagine what would happen if someone set off the super-caldera in Yellowstone. Last time it blew, it vomited up 600 cubic miles of ash. Mt St Helens tossed out 2 cubic miles.
I don't think that anyone is going to win... especially the Illuminaughty. 8)
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Post by gyre » Wed Jan 27, 2010 5:14 pm

What kind of mechanism would control earthquakes or volcanoes?

Earthquakes don't always cause tsunamis.
Every fault and occurrence is different.

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Post by can't sit still » Wed Jan 27, 2010 5:38 pm

Tesla invented a ,mechanical resonance machine that would fit in the pocket. it worked well once it was tuned in to the locale. The current "device" for causing earthquakes is in the style of HAARP or the Russian "woodpecker" grid. All the reports indicate that HAARP is used to locally heat portions of the ionosphere. There has been a lot of evidence from NEXRAD and other sources.
The heart of the system is the ability to control longitudinal waves/energy,,,, as opposed to Hertzian waves/energy. One could, supposedly heat portions of the crust to cause expansion. One of the postulated mechanisms is the reverse of the piezo-electric effect. Reportedly, one can induce currents in the crust and get expansion.

You could start by reading Tom Bearden. Considering how advanced technology has become, it would be hard to rule out some of the claimed powers.
Yes, I'm well aware that earthquakes and faults have a world of variation.
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Post by gyre » Wed Jan 27, 2010 6:02 pm

We just went a week without an earthquake here.
Quite novel to go that long around here.

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Post by can't sit still » Wed Jan 27, 2010 6:43 pm

Here's a vid comparing the US to the rest of the world,,, future.
http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/ ... &ch=289021
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Post by can't sit still » Wed Jan 27, 2010 7:15 pm

gyre wrote:We just went a week without an earthquake here.
Quite novel to go that long around here.
Here's an article on man-made earthquakes;
http://www.voltairenet.org/article163729.html
It mentions some interesting anomalies before the Chinese earthquake.
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Post by can't sit still » Tue Feb 02, 2010 9:38 am

Well, as I'm sure that you're all aware, things are falling apart in Europe. The European Union is coming apart at the seams. It would have had a future as an economic union. They seriously screwed up when they instituted a common currency. This was predicted beforehand by Freidman or some other big-titty economist.
The tax rate in Europe is something like 42%. This ,apparently, sucked out so much money that some countries found themselves very broke. Greece has never had a highly productive economy. So, it is falling first;
http://www.thedailybell.com/781/The-Gre ... he-EU.html

Weiss expects the contagion to spread to ALL other countries with weak economies;
http://www.moneyandmarkets.com/the-next ... on-2-37578
The problem in the U.S. is that any weakness in the banks is reflected as a weakness in GOV. The FED printed up money to cover the bank's loss from sub-prime. Now, the losses from option-ARM are greater than the losses from sub-prime;
http://www.housingwire.com/2010/01/29/o ... atrick.net
S&P says that the banks are going to lose a lot of money;
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN019 ... arketsNews
S&P also says that the worst of commercial RE losses are yet to come;
http://ml-implode.com/staticnews/2010-0 ... Loans.html

This all comes at a time when the individual states are suffering big losses;
http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot. ... evada.html
The banks don't have a prayer of covering losses that are three? times the loss from sub-prime. The FED has said clearly that they won't be buying any more mortgage backed securities. You can see how much "money" they have been pumping into the banks/economy;
http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2010/ ... -week.html
It's obvious that if the FED stops buying toxic mortgage securities just before a huge default wave hits the banks, the banks are not going to survive.

California GOV has regularly spent $10 billion more than it takes in. Democracy in action always seems to morph into socialism. Socialism always breaks the budget. It doesn't help that banks are constantly siphoning off a chunk of the wealth. GOV spends too much. Then. when it runs out of money to dispense, it has to dispense pain;
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comm ... ckons.html

The US has benefited from the relative strength of the dollar. People buy dollars as insurance against currency collapse. I'm sure that this will continue for a while longer. The great risk appears when something better comes along. It doesn't have to be a better currency or better investment. It could appear as a more stable system of economics or GOV. The near and far East could cause the West to wither away just by presenting a better economic business plan.
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Post by Ugly Dougly » Tue Feb 02, 2010 9:41 am

wrong place.

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Post by can't sit still » Tue Feb 02, 2010 9:47 am

Well, they won't like Phil's prediction in Iowa;
"the Federal Emergency Management Agency said. Iowa has been hit the hardest: 83 of its 99 counties have been declared disaster areas and more than 4.8 million sandbags have been set"
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Post by 1durphul » Tue Feb 02, 2010 11:54 am

can't sit still wrote:Here's a vid comparing the US to the rest of the world,,, future.
http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/ ... &ch=289021
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Post by Lassen Forge » Tue Feb 02, 2010 12:16 pm

One of the things I really like about Italy is they still list prices in BOTH Euro and Lira... even tho the currency is the Ohno, er, Euro, they could jump back to Lira pretty quickly - how long to print temp scrip until they get the mints reconverted? Days. 72 hours to distribute it to the majority of areas from Brenner to Sicilia... prolly to the outlying holes in a week or 2.

Also that Italy has this wonderfully independent mindset - like, yeah, the government is there, and we do everything we can to get arond them unless we have no other choice.

Actually - it seems that 1/2 of the Italians were really glad to be part of a "greater Europe" and the other 1/2 really despise being stuffed into that. It got PROHIBITIVELY expensive to live in a country that has had a low per capita but also had a monetary system that worked, changed to the monetary system used by the "wealthy" countries (Deutschland, Benelux, Österreich, et al) with pricing to match when people were, as compared to the northerners, living below the poverty level.

Ready for the best Part? Postage. All stamps are in Euro, but they're only valid in the country that they're valid in. Good exercise? Try to mail a letter in Vatican City using Italian 50C stamps... good luck!!

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