BP - Page 2

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Tue Jun 01, 2010 6:07 pm

Hey, has Obama plugged up that hole yet?

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 4:05 pm

Admiral Mullen: Oil Industry Better Equipped to Counter Spill

VOA News 31 May 2010

http://www1.voanews.com/english/news/us ... 55049.html

The chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff says the oil industry is better-equipped than the U.S. military to deal with the massive oil leak in the Gulf of Mexico.

In a televised interview on ABC's Good Morning America Monday, Admiral Mike Mullen responded to suggestions that the military should take the lead in the oil spill containment and clean-up.

Mullen said military officials have looked at the equipment the military has available, but that the best technology exists in the oil industry.

The spill, which began in late April after an oil rig exploded and sank off the coast of the southern state of Louisiana, is the worst in American history. The U.S. government estimates between 70 million and 150 million liters of oil have already been leaked into the Gulf waters.

The oil poses a major threat to coastal fishing and tourism industries. Grand Isle Beach, just off the coast of Louisiana, reopened for Memorial Day weekend, but swimming and fishing are not allowed.

Meanwhile, energy company BP says it is taking steps to implement a new plan to contain the oil from the leak rather than stop it.

BP Managing Director Bob Dudley said the plan will involve unmanned robots sawing through the leaking pipe, before it is capped with a device built to capture oil gushing from a well. He said Sunday it could take up to a week to launch the new procedure and offered no guarantees the plan will succeed.

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Another bunch of idiots.

So let me get this straight, the military spends OVER ONE TRILLION DOLLARS A YEAR ON R&D AND EQUIPMENT AND THEY DO NOT HAVE EQUIPMENT AS GOOD OR BETTER THAN BIG OIL?

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 4:07 pm

RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU STILL THINK BP WANTS TO PLUG THIS HOLE.

Post by **mdmf007** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 5:17 pm

Yeah ill raise my hand - I am putting in hundred hour weeks to get this cleaned up.

BP has stripped almost all of the gear available anywhere. Try to find some Vikoma Ocean boom anywhere on the planet that is not already in use - good luck, BP has already bought it and flown it to the gulf.

We sent every item we could spare from other operations to the gulf on trucks, trains, and planes and deployed it the second it got there.

The military does not have the equipment or experience handling oil spill response and would simply defer back to the private sector if they were put in charge.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Wed Jun 09, 2010 6:23 pm

has BP capped the oil spill yet?

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Wed Jun 09, 2010 6:45 pm

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DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Wed Jun 09, 2010 6:47 pm

mdmf007 wrote:Yeah ill raise my hand - I am putting in hundred hour weeks to get this cleaned up.

BP has stripped almost all of the gear available anywhere. Try to find some Vikoma Ocean boom anywhere on the planet that is not already in use - good luck, BP has already bought it and flown it to the gulf.

We sent every item we could spare from other operations to the gulf on trucks, trains, and planes and deployed it the second it got there.

The military does not have the equipment or experience handling oil spill response and would simply defer back to the private sector if they were put in charge.

feel sorry for you dude!

You dont know what these oilers think.

In fact you dont wanna know dude......

You think I am kidding?

Fire_Moose · Post by **Fire_Moose** » Thu Jun 10, 2010 9:40 am

Funny photo at a local BP station

Bounce530 · Post by **Bounce530** » Thu Jun 10, 2010 10:01 am

Well isn't that something....

http://eplaya.burningman.org/viewtopic. ... &start=270

Fire_Moose · Post by **Fire_Moose** » Thu Jun 10, 2010 10:10 am

If yer saying what i think yer saying....

Ya AZ has a bunch of really cool stuff..like me

swampdog · Post by **swampdog** » Thu Jun 10, 2010 11:06 am

MDM - nice to hear a view from someone involved.

I totally agree - our wasteful lifestyle is ultimately to blame. And, as MDM put it, anything with a probability > 0 will EVENTUALLY happen (see: monkeys and typewriters. (not seamonkeys, dammit))

However, the consistent drumbeat from the right to "let business monitor itself" has resulted in a situation where we are not forcing oil companies to take reasonable precautions to maintain an appropriate level of safety. The people who wanted to let business monitor itself forget: people lie, cheat, and steal. Or, if you prefer, people get lazy, sloppy, and greedy if not forced to follow a set of rules.

Who's to blame? Previous administrations for actively de-regulating beyond the point of safety and for underfunding monitoring agencies.
Current administration for at least not fixing the agencies fast enough, possibly for willingly letting them remain broken.
BP execs for pushing the boundaries of safety
All oil execs for pushing for fewer restrictions and less oversight over time.

Oh, and you and I for using all the damned energy.

Who deserves punishment? BP execs. Government officials elected and appointed who actively degraded the regulatory framework (I'm talking to you, Georgie!).

You and I will get our share of punishment when the oil runs out.

Rabbi Dali Rick · Post by **Rabbi Dali Rick** » Fri Jun 11, 2010 9:27 am

Well.....

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the rebbi

dr.placebo · Post by **dr.placebo** » Fri Jun 11, 2010 10:17 am

You know, renewable energy is also not without its risks. Consider the following scenario:

The sheriff's car pulled into the driveway. The motor shut off and a uniformed man got out and walked to the front door where a comely woman stood.

"Evenin', Sheriff," said Ellie.

"Ellie, I'll come right to the point. It's about Bob."

"Is he hurt?" she asked with a worried voice.

The sheriff shook his head. "No, nothin' like that. He asked me to tell you that he'd be late for dinner. You see, there's been an accident at the wind farm and they had to make repairs on the transmission lines."

"Will it be serious?" Ellie looked into the distance, where the blades now stood still.

The sheriff scratched his head. "Can't rightly say, not bein' an engineer. But Bob did say that the breeze might pick up a mite until they get it fixed."

Ellie didn't miss a beat. "Well, sheriff, I guess we have to bear it for the sake of all those good people who need the electricity."

Mojojita · Post by **Mojojita** » Fri Jun 11, 2010 12:36 pm

Isotopia wrote:
The thing is, there is no margin for error, especially in the gulf.
Well, that sentiment goes for other areas. Consider the even more sensitive Chesapeake bay which would likely be endangered if proposed drilling of Virginia's coast were to happen here in the next decade.

Went snorkelling in the keys last year and was heartbroken that the fragile reefs were dying - this could put them all over the edge. I well remember cleaning sea birds during the Santa Barbara spill and the horrible toll it took. The upside is that the organization formed as a result here in SB (Get Oil Out) played a major role for many years in protecting this coastline.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Fri Jun 11, 2010 7:36 pm

So let me get this straight.

BP,

Tho there are many here that say, BP wants to get this spill contained.....

Just now is BP now Putting Monitors of how much Oil is rushing out of this hole?

Still believe BP wants to close this hole?

Lets get real people.

Prove me wrong!

I'm full of shit right?

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Sat Jun 12, 2010 11:03 am

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DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Sat Jun 12, 2010 2:17 pm

This is from Dr. James P. Wickstrom

SUMMARY OF WHAT IS HAPPENING

The estimated super high pressure release of oil from under the earth's crust is between 80,000 to 100,000 barrels per day.

The flow of oil and toxic gases is bringing up with it... rocks and sand which causes the flow to create a sandblasting effect on the remaining well head device currently somewhat restricting the flow, as well as the drilled hole itself.

As the well head becomes worn it enlarges the passageway allowing an ever-increasing flow. Even if some device could be placed onto the existing wellhead, it would not be able to shut off the flow, because what remains of the existing wellhead would not be able to contain the pressure.

The well head piping is originally about 2 inches thick. It is now likely to be less than 1 inch thick, and thinning by each passing moment. The oil has now reached the Gulf Stream and is entering the Oceanic current which is at least four times stronger than the current in the Gulf, which will carry it throughout the world within 18 months.

The oil along with the gasses, including benzene and many other toxins, is deleting the oxygen in the water. This is killing all life in the ocean. Along with the oil along the shores, there will be many dead fish, etc. that will have to be gathered and disposed of.

SUMMARY OF EXPECTATIONS

At some point the drilled hole in the earth will enlarge itself beneath the wellhead to weaken the area the wellhead rests upon. The intense pressure will then push the wellhead off the hole allowing a direct unrestricted flow of oil, etc.

The hole will continue to increase in size allowing more and more oil to rise into the Gulf. After several billion barrels of oil have been released, the pressure within the massive cavity five miles beneath the ocean floor will begin to normalize.

This will allow the water, under the intense pressure at 1 mile deep, to be forced into the hole and the cavity where the oil was. The temperature at that depth is near 400 degrees, possibly more.

The water will be vaporized and turned into steam, creating an enormous amount of force, lifting the Gulf floor. It is difficult to know how much water will go down to the core and therefore, its not possible to fully calculate the rise of the floor.

The tsunami wave this will create will be anywhere from 20 to 80 feet high, possibly more. Then the floor will fall into the now vacant chamber. This is how nature will seal the hole.

Depending on the height of the tsunami, the ocean debris, oil, and existing structures that will be washed away on shore and inland, will leave the area from 50 to 200 miles inland devoid of life. Even if the debris is cleaned up, the contaminants that will be in the ground and water supply will prohibit re-population of these areas for an unknown number of years.

(End of scientists information release.) From Tom Buyea FL News Service

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Sat Jun 12, 2010 2:22 pm

DVD Burner wrote:So let me get this straight.

BP,

Tho there are many here that say, BP wants to get this spill contained.....

Just now is BP now Putting Monitors of how much Oil is rushing out of this hole?

Still believe BP wants to close this hole?

Lets get real people.

Prove me wrong!

I'm full of shit right?

you seem to be leaping from apples to oranges to innertubes, with your logic there DVD...........

lack of monitoring does not mean they don't want the leak stopped.........

It may mean they don't want anyone to know how much is leaking, but, I can't see how you put that together. (lack of monitoring equaling not wanting to stop the leak), without stretching quite a bit.

I can't see an advantage to BP for the leak to continue.

I can see an advantage to their competition, or, environmental groups, or others opposed to offshore drilling, though.

I can even see an advantage to the gov. in that, it would allow them a bully pulpit for certain agendas.

I'm not saying they do or don't want it stopped, but, to me, the money/power would tell the tale. If it's being left unstopped for a reason, look at who profits or gains power by that action, or inaction, as the case may be.

1durphul · Post by **1durphul** » Sat Jun 12, 2010 8:14 pm

DVD Burner wrote:BUSH CHENEY, RICE RUMMY, WOLFOWITZ AND THE LOT SHOULD BE CHARGED WITH TREASON, TRIED, CONVICTED AND EXECUTED TO THE LETTER OF THE LAW/CONSTITUTION.

If there were tried for treason under the letter of the constitution they'd be set free. Treason is well defined (and simply defined) in the Constitution:

Article III section 3:

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court. The Congress shall have power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.

Treason is a very difficult charge to convict a person of in the United States, and is so on purpose. The English used to use Treason as a catch-all charge to get rid of any and all political enemies. When we revolted and wrote ourselves a document defining our nation, we wrote into it a section which was meant to prevent such abuse.

Post by **mdmf007** » Sat Jun 12, 2010 9:50 pm

1durphul wrote:
DVD Burner wrote:BUSH CHENEY, RICE RUMMY, WOLFOWITZ AND THE LOT SHOULD BE CHARGED WITH TREASON, TRIED, CONVICTED AND EXECUTED TO THE LETTER OF THE LAW/CONSTITUTION.

\\Too bad they were all given pardons...

Post by **mdmf007** » Sat Jun 12, 2010 9:53 pm

DVD Burner wrote:
feel sorry for you dude!

You dont know what these oilers think.

In fact you dont wanna know dude......

You think I am kidding?

What I do know is there are a lot fo GOOD people working here, and many of them for BP that are losing sleep over the damage that is being caused, and sincerely want to clean this mess up.

No - I do not know whats in the minds of BP executives, if I could read minds id be a world champion poker player.

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Sat Jun 12, 2010 9:54 pm

don't I remember, most all outgoing prez' give blanket pardons to themselves, and, their staff?

LeChatNoir · Post by **LeChatNoir** » Sun Jun 13, 2010 7:55 am

Seems to me that BP wants the leak stopped, but not in a permanent way. Rather in a way that could be reopened and tapped at some point.

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Sun Jun 13, 2010 9:03 am

I think they're drilling relief well, all this time.
If, the caps don't work, they use that to re-direct the oil.
If the caps to work, I'd imagine, they could use it later to start pumping, again.

knowmad · Post by **knowmad** » Sun Jun 13, 2010 2:22 pm

1durphul wrote:
DVD Burner wrote:BUSH CHENEY, RICE RUMMY, WOLFOWITZ AND THE LOT SHOULD BE CHARGED WITH TREASON, TRIED, CONVICTED AND EXECUTED TO THE LETTER OF THE LAW/CONSTITUTION.

If there were tried for treason under the letter of the constitution they'd be set free. Treason is well defined (and simply defined) in the Constitution:

Article III section 3:

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court. The Congress shall have power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.
Treason is a very difficult charge to convict a person of in the United States, and is so on purpose. The English used to use Treason as a catch-all charge to get rid of any and all political enemies. When we revolted and wrote ourselves a document defining our nation, we wrote into it a section which was meant to prevent such abuse.

Please re post to "Prove DVDburner wrong thread"

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Sun Jun 13, 2010 2:24 pm

knowmad wrote:
1durphul wrote:
DVD Burner wrote:BUSH CHENEY, RICE RUMMY, WOLFOWITZ AND THE LOT SHOULD BE CHARGED WITH TREASON, TRIED, CONVICTED AND EXECUTED TO THE LETTER OF THE LAW/CONSTITUTION.

If there were tried for treason under the letter of the constitution they'd be set free. Treason is well defined (and simply defined) in the Constitution:

Article III section 3:

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court. The Congress shall have power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.
Treason is a very difficult charge to convict a person of in the United States, and is so on purpose. The English used to use Treason as a catch-all charge to get rid of any and all political enemies. When we revolted and wrote ourselves a document defining our nation, we wrote into it a section which was meant to prevent such abuse.
Please re post to "Prove DVDburner wrong thread"

No need. There is nothing wrong here.

Everyone is entitled to their interpretation.

Harper's Magazine did an article on this that is very in depth.

I would imagine you all would be proven seriously wrong on all accounts.

If you would like, I can post the whole article here.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Sun Jun 13, 2010 2:31 pm

or if you want, I can post the article anywhere you like.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Sun Jun 13, 2010 3:38 pm

Meh, what the heck. Let me just post this here.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s ... =firefox-a

Justice after Bush:

Prosecuting an outlaw administration

By Scott Horton
I. The Crimes

Americans may wish to avoid what is necessary. We may believe that concerns about presidential lawbreaking are naive. That all presidents commit crimes. We may pretend that George W. Bush and his senior officers could not have committed crimes significantly worse than those of their predecessors. We may fear what it would mean to acknowledge such crimes, much less to punish them. But avoiding this task, simply â€œmoving on,â€

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Mon Jun 14, 2010 4:21 am

Evidence: BP oil spill is disaster capitalism by criminal elite to depopulate and stop ET disclosure

http://www.examiner.com/x-2912-Seattle- ... disclosure

June 13, 1:01 AMSeattle Exopolitics ExaminerAlfred Lambremont Webre

This article is the 2nd in an ongoing Examiner.com series on the BP Gulf of Mexico oil spill and its environmental, economic, social and exopolitical impacts.

A pattern of evidence from independent investigative reporters is emerging to suggest that the BP oil â€œspillâ€

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Mon Jun 14, 2010 4:26 am

Well looks like some non-believers in this thread are really gonna have a hard time disputing the facts that are in this article that just came out yesterday.

Also, within the article towards the bottom is an hour long video of the Treason you say is non-prosecutable.

Have fun trying to prove the facts wrong.

Yeah I know, sometimes it really sucks to be this good.

But hey, it's only just my opinion of course.

Oh and P.S. Dont worry if this all is a bit too much to understand or may be too much to read.
It's really for the intelligentsia in this thread such as the OP Cowboy and the such. Everyone else can just ignore the last 2 articles I've posted. It may just be too complicated to understand.

We really dont need any exploding heads, ok?

Oh and Oh oh oh, in the video it tells of how DICK Cheney flunked out of YALE! This guys even calls him A LOOSER!

Ha ha ha ha ha! It really is a great video.

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