How long have men walked the Earth?

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Mon Jan 03, 2011 7:54 am

"The elephant can't fit through the stage door". THAT is a great euphemism. Greece needs a bailout to pay for the first bailout. Time runs short.

unjonharley · Post by **unjonharley** » Mon Jan 03, 2011 10:38 am

[quote="can't sit still"]"The elephant can't fit through the stage door". THAT is a great euphemism. Greece needs a bailout to pay for the first bailout. Time runs short.[/quo

It will all be over May 21 this year.. Have'nt you heard?

The CO · Post by **The CO** » Mon Jan 03, 2011 11:02 am

<reposted from another thread, cause I grow weary of claims of science where none exists>

This is a quick summarized version, full version http://homepages.wmich.edu/~korista/baloney.html
This is NOT Carl Sagans bit on baloney detection, which is an equally good read.
Well worth reading the full version, it's a couple pages, well written, and helps explain peer review and scientific method. I just don't want to clog up the thread.

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Baloney Detection
How to draw boundaries between science and pseudoscience
By Micheal Shermer, publisher of Skeptic magazine

10 questions to ask when encountering any claim.

1. How reliable is the source of the claim?

2. Does this source often make similar claims?

3. Have the claims been verified by another source?

4. How does the claim fit with what we know about how the world works?

5. Has anyone gone out of the way to disprove the claim, or has only
supportive evidence been sought?

6. Does the preponderance of evidence point to the claimant's conclusion or to a different one?

7. Is the claimant employing the accepted rules of reason and tools of research, or have these been abandoned in favor of others that lead to the desired conclusion?

8. Is the claimant providing an explanation for the observed phenomena or merely denying the existing explanation?

9. If the claimant proffers a new explanation, does it account for as many phenomena as the old explanation did?

10. Do the claimant's personal beliefs and biases drive the conclusions, or vice versa?

Simon of the Playa · Post by **Simon of the Playa** » Mon Jan 03, 2011 11:17 am

gyre wrote:Not all geology is vague.
Cumulative bits of prosaic information can make some things very precise, and easily too.

synchromystical calculations.

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 5:22 pm

Here's something new to argue about. They keep trying to push back the dates;
http://www.sott.net/articles/show/22170 ... lion-Years
Forgot this one;
http://vaticproject.blogspot.com/2011/0 ... 10000.html

Thecatman · Post by **Thecatman** » Mon Jan 24, 2011 4:06 pm

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can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 8:25 pm

Damn good story;
http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_data ... 1292091944

This page has some interesting information on replications of ancient artifacts;
http://beforeitsnews.com/story/282/979/ ... eered.html

This page has some interesting objects that are claimed to be artifacts. The Antithikera machine, you already know about..
http://beforeitsnews.com/story/282/557/ ... facts.html

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 8:47 pm

There seems to be a new "missing link" found every week;
http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_data ... 1271185738

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Sat Feb 12, 2011 4:12 pm

This is an interesting paper on meta tarsals;
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... -walk.html

unjonharley · Post by **unjonharley** » Sun Feb 13, 2011 8:40 am

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It is now known that man type has had a ridget arch bone for over 1 million years.. Could it be that man didn't come down out of the trees to live?? Maybe the ape lived on the ground and moved into the trees.. Developing the soft arch (foot) bone to fit branches.

Every day the old pictures of ape to man is being under cut..

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Thu Mar 24, 2011 6:56 pm

Here's a report of a VERY early settlement in Africa;
http://beforeitsnews.com/story/508/077/ ... frica.html

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 9:46 am

Pre-Clovis now very solid indeed.

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 9:51 am

I don't subscribe, that those who we commonly term "Native Americans" are or were necessarily "the first", or "only" ones here early on.
My belief, is more towards they are "the winners" or "survivors", having out done/lasted (by whatever means or pure luck) any others here.

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 10:11 am

unjonharley wrote:.
It is now known that man type has had a ridget arch bone for over 1 million years.. Could it be that man didn't come down out of the trees to live?? Maybe the ape lived on the ground and moved into the trees.. Developing the soft arch (foot) bone to fit branches.

Every day the old pictures of ape to man is being under cut..

It isn't ape to man, rather X to ape and man.
In theory, apes are as evolved as they could be by now.
Looks like many different variations now.

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 4:09 pm

gyre wrote:In theory, apes are as evolved as they could be by now.

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 4:30 pm

ygmir wrote:I don't subscribe, that those who we commonly term "Native Americans" are or were necessarily "the first", or "only" ones here early on.
My belief, is more towards they are "the winners" or "survivors", having out done/lasted (by whatever means or pure luck) any others here.

Just like now, Ygmir.

"Please allow me to introduce you to the dominant culture!"

So whatever the European Clovis people were, or Kennewick man for that matter, were adsorbed into the native culture of the Americas. Even a Siberian wouldn't have felt at home.

Food for thought, huh?

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 6:11 pm

Ugly Dougly wrote:
ygmir wrote:I don't subscribe, that those who we commonly term "Native Americans" are or were necessarily "the first", or "only" ones here early on.
My belief, is more towards they are "the winners" or "survivors", having out done/lasted (by whatever means or pure luck) any others here.
Just like now, Ygmir.

"Please allow me to introduce you to the dominant culture!"

So whatever the European Clovis people were, or Kennewick man for that matter, were adsorbed into the native culture of the Americas. Even a Siberian wouldn't have felt at home.

Food for thought, huh?

yeah, I agree.
I'd bet, "the mix" is fascinating.

unjonharley · Post by **unjonharley** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 7:05 pm

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The mounds scatered around the mid east US are thought to be where the Clovis dumped thair dead.. I suggest they were pre Viking winter houses..
That the east coast was in to INd. Most of Mi. was flooded.. The winters were bitter.. Tribes gathered food and suplies and mounded dirt to the frost depth.

Most of those mounds have been doze.. Just the tops of others were dug into.. Turning the boats upside down could hold hollow space under the dirt. It is though the ceiling of the great churches follow the lines of over turned boat ribs.. The Viking used over turned boats in the winters for meeting halls.

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 8:02 pm

I called Barry Fell once.
There are many, many ruins left.
I have seen large groups of tombstones? covered with runes in the east.

The huge Mound Builder remains were largely destroyed by farmers.
Some remain here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Fell
http://www.badarchaeology.net/forgotten/barry_fell.php
http://www.equinox-project.com/DRFEL.HTM

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Wed Mar 30, 2011 7:24 pm

This is a pretty cool find,,, if authentic;
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... story.html

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Wed Apr 20, 2011 8:57 pm

Sex at Dawn ended up being an interesting book. It was a little light, but I say that about most modern non-fiction books. (Is that the internet, do you suppose--that writing is geared to the magazine article length and "feel"?) It's certainly refreshing to read evolutionary psychology in which I'm not told that women are naturally monogamous, and have to trap a man into a "pair-bond" in order to insure that her children grow up. Boy, nothing like marital harmony, huh? It's one of the amazing things about the field. We can look at our closest relatives and see they have multiple partners, we can look at how our sexual dimorphism and see that it means in every other animal that there would be multiple sexual partners, but somehow we (or at least our women) still are monogamous.
Hmmph.
But there is a little bit of diffidence as well. They say that women at orgasm are loud in order to attract additional males to the encounter, but they don't say that there's a pairing of men wanting sex often and women wanting a lot of sex when they have sex and that this works out for a group marriage in an odd, reciprocating way. Which is too bad, because it makes it look week. I dunno, maybe it was too speculative, but that seems a little off, you can note it's speculation.
Anyway, I will have to reread it at some point, but not just yet.

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Wed Apr 20, 2011 9:35 pm

I thought the genetic drive for monogamy was a male thing, to assure genetic continuance.

Heard an author today talking about nature (animals) being based on cooperation and democracy, more than competition.
He says this is what has ensured species survival.

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Sun May 22, 2011 9:47 am

"So I decided to look beyond the textbooks. I started looking at the original scientific reports, in many different languages, from the time of Darwin to the present. When I did that I discovered many reports of discoveries of human bones, human artifacts, and human footprints many millions of years old. I documented those reports in my book Forbidden Archeology."
http://www.thedailybell.com/2366/Michae ... Vedas.html

TomServo · Post by **TomServo** » Sun May 22, 2011 4:03 pm

Who fucking cares?!

knowmad · Post by **knowmad** » Sun May 22, 2011 5:52 pm

spectabillis wrote:silly rounders, everyone knows it was only a week or so before god made man for this flat earth.

Jeeze! look at those silly primitives.

Fact of history and evolution: you write it, you transmit your genes. Both have the proper traits to avoid devastation. and the ability to change with future trends. or they die.

The western cultures understanding of it's culture and origins are pretty fuzzy. But the view point is always, we are more advanced than those in the past. the trait that lets/makes that happen is peoples desire to feel assured that our advancements will help us avoid disaster.

I wonder what the answer to the question; How many of us think human kind will live at least as long as we have already?

the flexibility to move with and through current events are key to our long term survival. If we are to do any thing to ensure our species survival we should transmit a positive and clear message of self awareness. but regardless, the people in the future are going to see us as cave men.

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Sun May 22, 2011 7:12 pm

well........scoff if you must, but, I believe this is hardly the first, or only time of "man" (sentient beings, if you will) on this planet.
I think there have been ages, so long ago, lost and forgotten, wiped mostly clean by Earths ability to heal, (on a geologic time scale, nothing we do or have done lasts very long).
Perhaps "they" are wiped out completely by catastrophe, perhaps, almost and enough are left to "seed" again. Having to "start over" as such, with all that was past, lost to time.

knowmad · Post by **knowmad** » Sun May 22, 2011 7:46 pm

This has all happed before this will all happen again.

only thing we're not humans at all, we're all....

'cept me I'm a 6

unjonharley · Post by **unjonharley** » Sun May 22, 2011 7:49 pm

ygmir wrote:well........scoff if you must, but, I believe this is hardly the first, or only time of "man" (sentient beings, if you will) on this planet.
I think there have been ages, so long ago, lost and forgotten, wiped mostly clean by Earths ability to heal, (on a geologic time scale, nothing we do or have done lasts very long).
Perhaps "they" are wiped out completely by catastrophe, perhaps, almost and enough are left to "seed" again. Having to "start over" as such, with all that was past, lost to time.

You mean like those f en danddy lions in my yard

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Sun May 22, 2011 8:51 pm

unjonharley wrote:
ygmir wrote:well........scoff if you must, but, I believe this is hardly the first, or only time of "man" (sentient beings, if you will) on this planet.
I think there have been ages, so long ago, lost and forgotten, wiped mostly clean by Earths ability to heal, (on a geologic time scale, nothing we do or have done lasts very long).
Perhaps "they" are wiped out completely by catastrophe, perhaps, almost and enough are left to "seed" again. Having to "start over" as such, with all that was past, lost to time.
You mean like those f en danddy lions in my yard

yes.

FaeTora · Post by **FaeTora** » Sun May 22, 2011 9:15 pm

CAUTION: Ygmir's icon has changes to something with more of a mane.