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Yes, I agree with this part - let me backtrack/clarify - I meant that discussion of the "Woodstock '99 Apocalypse" is now pretty much academic with the 10,000 ticket distribution to camps.Sandstorm wrote:Whatever happens it will certainly be an interesting year. In human terms the part of this fiasco that bothers me the most is the fact that it tearing up playa families. Last year I was in AEZ and my neighbors were a great group of folks, most of whom were in their 40's, 50's and 60's, and they ran a wonderful bar that was open during daylight hours. The camp has been around for a while. I made good friends with one of the camp members, stayed until Tuesday in order to help my new friends break down their camp and and one of them gave me a ride back to Reno. Those folks are good people and I was looking forward to camping with them this year because I wanted to help them continue to gift something beautiful to the community. I felt as though after 4 burns I had finally found "my people". I'm scared to find out how many/few of the members of the camp actually got tickets.5280MeV wrote:In any case, I think that the 10,000 ticket distribution makes this discussion completely academic. The big camps are going to have supercharged LNT plans, they will be bending over backwards to interact with newcomers, and everything should be more or less ok.
When I was getting a ride back to Reno last year my friend was talking about some of the burner events that take place in the area during the warm weather months. I will have to ask her more details about those events.moonrise wrote:...Reno is close to many other desert locations suitable for alt events, not the big burn but close enough.
You did not displace a sinlg person: a handful of people at BMORG fucked the pooch and displaced swaths of people and camps via their piss poor actions. You were just one of the lucky folks who "won" the right to buy a ticket.5280MeV wrote:It felt very strange - and not fun at all - to displace other people by getting a ticket. I think that the event - as an event - will be a success. The discussion of what this means to the people who have been doing this for a while and formed groups of friends - that is very real.
Everyone _loves_ the old system, well the old system never had to face what is happening _this_year_.Sandstorm wrote:
The old system allowed well organized singles, couples and camps to get their tickets up at the start of the year and then focus on their lives and playa plans. Even though the event sold out last year I was still able to buy my ticket on June 5 and then buy a second ticket on July 3. If the ticket Lotto-ery fiasco had not happened I would have been ready to buy my ticket for this year's burn on the first day of sales.
I hope that you have a blast. The more I read eplaya the more I want to go just to spite the negativity and chaos that BMORG has created via the lotto-ery fiasco.
Thanks. I was unexpectedly given the name back in '10 by a BRC bartender. It took me many months before I felt man enough to use the name.moonrise wrote:Right on sandstorm (great eplaya name btw!)
Max, I should add that I spoke about the old system more in response to 5280MeV's comment about his/her sense that they had displaced aother Burner. I know that the new system has been debated to death and I don't mean to try to regurgitate aspects of that debate. When I wrote my comments I was thinking about my sense that no matter what increase there was bound to be in ticket sales this year the number was never going to be as large as there ended up being via the lottery. The astronomical number of tickets requested during the lottery was due to people trying to beat the odds. Yes, there was bound to be an increase in ticket sales this year and yes, the event would have likely sold out sooner than it did last year but BMORG made the situation so much worse by creating an artificial panic via the PR disaster back in November and it was that fact that led to the overwhelming demand for tickets via the lottery.Max Callahan wrote:Sandstorm wrote:
Everyone _loves_ the old system, well the old system never had to face what is happening _this_year_.
tattoogoddess wrote:Amtrak. So yeah I would assume that who ever I am riding with would come get me from amtrak?
I'm totally with you on not liking the guilt that newbies are getting hit with, and i hate seeing groups getting torn part.Sandstorm wrote: Max, I should add that I spoke about the old system more in response to 5280MeV's comment about his/her sense that they had displaced aother Burner. I know that the new system has been debated to death and I don't mean to try to regurgitate aspects of that debate. When I wrote my comments I was thinking about my sense that no matter what increase there was bound to be in ticket sales this year the number was never going to be as large as there ended up being via the lottery. The astronomical number of tickets requested during the lottery was due to people trying to beat the odds. Yes, there was bound to be an increase in ticket sales this year and yes, the event would have likely sold out sooner than it did last year but BMORG made the situation so much worse by creating an artificial panic via the PR disaster back in November and it was that fact that led to the overwhelming demand for tickets via the lottery.
I don't like seeing virgins picked on or playa families torn apart or theme camps and art projects thrown into turmoil or burners feeling as though they displaced another burner. Again, I think that the initial demand for tickets was never going to be as bad as BMORG thought it would be. So much of last year's ticketing problems had to do with InTicketing's servers. Why the hell didn't BMORG get a vendor that could deliver the servers and bandwidth required to adequately support their customer's needs?
End of rant.
Quad, I edited your quote because I understand where you are coming from and that is why in an earlier post I wrote the below underlined text:quadraspleen wrote:But @ Sandstorm - the BMORG are you and I...
I have done plenty of live event production work and I have nothing but respect for the work that goes into putting on a burn. The more that I have posted on this situation the more that I have tried to include the words "a handful of people at BMORG" when I am criticizing BMORG. Part of the reason that I wanted to eventually volunteer with DPW was because I wanted to put my money where my mouth is in terms of giving back to the community. I depsise this fiasco and think that it was 100% preventable but my I would like to think that my intelligence, maturity and respect for the crew that puts on the burn has the upper hand on my feelings of displeasure about this situation.Sandstorm wrote:You did not displace a sinlg person: a handful of people at BMORG fucked the pooch
...and I have an office job that allows me access to high speed internet that I can use to log onto the BM site in a separate browser window and check in every 15 minutes and see how where I am at in the queue. In that sense I also had a leg up on certain people and that was never lost on me.Max Callahan wrote: ...and I'm just an out of work guy with a lot of old computers lying around, the cheating under first come would have been nasty too this year.
Last year wasn't a fiasco at all- there were tickets on sale for 7 months & plenty of "hints" to buy a ticket now, before the sell-out happened. The only "fiasco" was all those people who ignored the warnings & then blamed everyone else.quadraspleen wrote:I really prefer debacle. I'll give you fiasco last year but this years word is surely debacle. They've turned it into a verb. They've debaclised (thats debaclized for you guys) the ticketing process. I like saying both. Fiasco. Debacle. Both sound odd too when you say them more than three times...
I hear tabasco on tacos when I say it over and over...maybe I'm hungry...quadraspleen wrote:I really prefer debacle. I'll give you fiasco last year but this years word is surely debacle. They've turned it into a verb. They've debaclised (thats debaclized for you guys) the ticketing process. I like saying both. Fiasco. Debacle. Both sound odd too when you say them more than three times...
I'm not saying last years sell out was a fiasco (mmm, fiasco), I'm saying that in last years ticket forum, people were calling the day 1 server crash and resultant queue issues a fiasco.Eric wrote: Last year wasn't a fiasco at all- there were tickets on sale for 7 months & plenty of "hints" to buy a ticket now, before the sell-out happened. The only "fiasco" was all those people who ignored the warnings & then blamed everyone else.
Touché...Max Callahan wrote: This year is hard and triage sucks all around, I'm mostly not judging them on this year, it's how they handle next year now that supply is an issue that's going to be important.
First Blacksheep, WELCOME to eplaya. Glad you're here!Blacksheep wrote:It seems as though the ticketing problems may have forever changed the community that I sought out and found at BRC years ago. The community that has always been loosely connected is full of infighting and hostility and frankly the event seems more and more like a mega-entertainment venue much like the superbowl or large concert. I find myself torn still wanting to go but afraid of what I will find if I go. I can't get the taste out of my mouth of the commercial feel the event has taken on. While I understand the theme and art camp decisions it seems as the the equality and "oneness" that I felt has been destroyed forever with the reality that there is a class system at work here no different from the real world and in many ways less tolerable. Like being told that your family is going on vacation but you can't go because there aren't enough seats and your brother or sister are more important than you....
Blacksheep: I have spent a lot of time on eplaya in recent days and it has been both an enlightening and disheartening experience and both sensations originate from the fact that there are so many people who care about the event and the community that creates it. I spent a lot of time here yesterday and when I got home last night I found that my brain was writing a "burner's lament" about many of the special moments that I have had at BRC, moments that had more to do with the quiet side of BRC. I found that I was reminded of the fact that BRC is a place where I feel "normal", not simply because I get to fly my freak flag but because so many people in BRC are being emotionally available in a way that reflects how I live my life in the default world. It's so refreshing to be around so many people who are being emotionally open and available. So, yeah, it broke my heart when I came across anti-virgin sentiments, first on FB and then here on eplaya. When I woke up this morning I once again felt a sense of disbelief at how f*cking out of touch a few people in BMORG / the LLC are with both the event and the people who volunteer their time and money to create the infrastructure and content for the event. I know that it's naive but even up until the lotto-ery announcement I had this sense that there were people at BMORG / the LLC who were watching over the event and the community with benevolent eyes and hands and who knew how much our HOME means to us. Alas, my naivete has been (rightfully) smashed and the incompetent and clueless machinations that lie at the heart of BMORG / the LLC have been exposed for all to see. There is no putting that Genie back in the bottle and I very much doubt that the trust that this community had in the BM leadership will ever be what it was unless the leadership chooses to burn themselves in effigy. As for the veteran Vs. virgin sentiments that have surfaced, who knows how that will play out. I've read more than a few posts in which veterans have spoken up on behalf of virgins and the contributions they have made to various theme camps and art projects. Part of me wants to get to the playa this year and part of me doesn't want to be anywhere near the place come the burn and that sucks because I love both the natural environment of the playa and the citizens and the magic that I've experienced in BRC. I hope that in the long run the damage done by this cluster f*ck will be dealt with and healed but I cannot see that happening as long as the people who made the decision about the lotto-ery are still part of the leadership team.Blacksheep wrote:It isn't not getting a ticket... or even not going if it comes to that...it's how quickly everyone turned on each other and the manner in which the BORG seems to have made decisions with little consideration for the effects that everyone saw coming but them...I still feel a connection to the people but having difficulty connecting to the event but thanks for the thoughts.
Shambala: That's a funny analogy and my heart tells me that the people building the city and filling the tents have the ability to realize the scenario you have painted for us. My concern is the form that BRC will take via the fiasco that has been created by a few people at BMORG / the LLC. I just keep picturing what BRC was like during the 4 years that I have been there and I imagine empty spaces where there were neighborhood bars, theme camps and art projects. This fiasco is tearing playa families apart and that both sucks and will have a very real impact on BRC 2012.Shambala wrote:I can agree with you on the appearance that you're seeing. It's like all the nice happy people in a holiday mood waiting for the store to open to get "door busters" on Black Friday. Once the door opens, they will trample each other and break bones to get to the $99 jumbo TV. The good news is that they will all be happy, hugging and kissing each other at the cash registers.
I hope you like my analogy. See you at the register!
monte, I get the South Park reference! Very funny......monte wrote: Giant Douche or Turd Sandwich? you be the judge
Don't eat Mr. Hankey!!!Galaxo Magic wrote:monte, I get the South Park reference! Very funny......monte wrote: Giant Douche or Turd Sandwich? you be the judge