ROOT SOCIETY 2012

[Simon of the Playa]

From the pics it looks like RS left firewood behind, which isn't good obviously. But it doesn't seem as egregious as leaving a car, trailer, couch, bbq, jars of piss, etc.

I have never been a fan of the sound camps, but I always figured let people burn how they want. Camping on 2:30 this year I saw the detritus from the 2:00 spoke walking up and down our street nightly. I lost count of the drunk, drug addled people I had to give help and directions too.

The sound pollution coming from the 10:00 spoke marred the experience at our friends deep playa art piece as well.

What's the solution Simon? Is there one?

David...

Yes. I mentioned that it was the last pic and the other three were not from RS

is there a solution? I think so.


A Deep playa Ghetto for sound camps, away from the city, the way it used to be.


it's worth thinking about it.


then the sound camps can all work together to patrol their Village and those that want the noise noise noise...(and i do love the thump, i am the first to admit it) can go and hear the Music without the rest of the city suffering thru Sub Woofers from hell shaking the ground until 8 AM every morning. They can also OWN the moop that their guests generate and deal with it appropriately....WITH A PLAN.



and you are right, it is best to use this as a learning opportunity, and teach others what to do and what NOT to do.

[David M]

David...

Yes. I mentioned that it was the last pic and the other three were not from RS

is there a solution? I think so.


A Deep playa Ghetto for sound camps, away from the city, the way it used to be.


it's worth thinking about it.


then the sound camps can all work together to patrol their Village and those that want the noise noise noise...(and i do love the thump, i am the first to admit it) can go and hear the Music without the rest of the city suffering thru Sub Woofers from hell shaking the ground until 8 AM every morning. They can also OWN the moop that their guests generate and deal with it appropriately....WITH A PLAN.



and you are right, it is best to use this as a learning opportunity, and teach others what to do and what NOT to do.

I like roaming around the deep playa at night, I would hate to run into a sound camp out there. I would also worry about the trail of glow-sticks, beer cans, and fallen sparkle ponies that would line the pathways to and from the deep playa sound camps.

What about putting the camps who scored low on the moop map on a 2 year hiatus? I dont know if the LLC does something like this already.

[Jackass]

That's a ridiculous amount of trash, is this common every year? They probably figure someone will have to take it off playa, why don't the dpw or restoration crews do it for me??.

[Simon of the Playa]

I like roaming around the deep playa at night, I would hate to run into a sound camp out there. I would also worry about the trail of glow-sticks, beer cans, and fallen sparkle ponies that would line the pathways to and from the deep playa sound camps.

a good point....im sure that the trans-raver expressway between 10 and 2 experienced this phenomena.

i dont know what the solution is, however it is time to consider what will work and what wont and adjust accordingly.

yeah, im a 48 year old raver...but im a burner first, and would rather see the big sound go, or be constricted, than have the man destroyed by it.

there, i said it.

[knowmad]

Large Sond camps Should be on Rod's Road. Easy to get to Hard to Find your way out. The 10 and 2 would become the habitat of the Hippy-this-place-is-so-awesome-without-people people

[Ano]

A Deep Playa Ghetto means that there will be a massive amount of MOOP between point A and point B. Let's be honest with ourselves - the folks who frequent 10 and 2 and who are not responsible burners, hereafter referred to as spectating fuckponies, won't give a shit about the stuff they drop or the garbage they see on the way.Spectating fuckponies give no shits about anything, except for where their next dose of Boom-boom and ecstasy.

I love the music, and I consider myself a Burner first, a human second, and a raver a distant eighth, so I won't lie, I really do enjoy the music, and I actually miss the loud art cars from last year, and I enjoy hearing the echo of 10 and 2 when I'm out in the Deep Playa, but I don't enjoy the kind of people who come through these places. I decided to MOOP major sound camps midweek, and spent an afternoon listening to some guy spin at Osiris whilst I MOOPed their dance floor. I had a few people ask me "What are you doing? Get up and dance!"... and that spoke volumes to me. I never made it to the 2:00 camps, but I did a stop at most of the 10:00 camps to help clean up. So much garbage, so much of it seemingly purposeful.

I don't know what else to say. I haven't been here long, but... the EDC weekender crowd can kill this event, I think... I mean, I haven't been around that long... but if you've seen the ground at one of those massive rave-concert-tardo pits, you'll see where this is going.

[RedHeaven]

Would be cool if maybe the city let the art grow, more deep playa art, less large sound camp? I guess thats hard to orchestrate and it is up to the people...things have been in place for years.....But what if the large sound camps scaled down a bit? Is there no stopping the mardi gras? How about at least if the large sound camps just would chill a bit, like try to not go for Bigger Faster More? They get bigger every year and more detailed, and there are more of them along the strips every round. They are so popular and hubs to the Electronic Dance Music world. They are highly acclaimed outside of BMan. Dang I remember in 05 my first year I didnt even think to go out there.....When we went to dance we went to more low key live music venues on the Esplanade like Camp I Am....I thought those were the big deals......Yeah it was so much like way neeter in 05 I respect and appreciate all the hard work that goes into those venues but if it were my perfect world there would be half as much and more random DJ art zones way out, and none of them would overtake.

[knowmad]

Would be cool if maybe the city let the art grow, more deep playa art, less large sound camp? I guess thats hard to orchestrate and it is up to the people...things have been in place for years.....But what if the large sound camps scaled down a bit? Is there no stopping the mardi gras? How about at least if the large sound camps just would chill a bit, like try to not go for Bigger Faster More? They get bigger every year and more detailed, and there are more of them along the strips every round. They are so popular and hubs to the Electronic Dance Music world. They are highly acclaimed outside of BMan. Dang I remember in 05 my first year I didnt even think to go out there.....When we went to dance we went to more low key live music venues on the Esplanade like Camp I Am....I thought those were the big deals......Yeah it was so much like way neeter in 05 I respect and appreciate all the hard work that goes into those venues but if it were my perfect world there would be half as much and more random DJ art zones way out, and none of them would overtake.

Hearing a Rumor that Next Years CORE Objects will Be continuing the Esplanade from 10 to 2.

And No the DJ wars will rage on. Just Don't feed the Ravers they'll just breed more.

[MacGlenver]

Just Don't feed the Ravers they'll just breed more.

Responsible raver here. Lead by example.

[Nipple]

My favorite children's book is, "If You Give A Raver a Glowstick".

[Simon of the Playa]

it's real easy to hate on the ravers.

Just as it's real easy to hate on ANY demographic or "genre" out on the playa.

lets stop that bullshit, and try to make things better.

For Everyone.

[salope]

On that note, Simon, what became of Operation DanzKleen? I think you were on the right track there.

Lost in the shuffle of RS brouhaha?
Implemented?

[Simon of the Playa]

i handed out 40-45 moop bags i made myself with leftover pieces of Pleather from my workshop.

i had quite a few DJ's make announcements.

at least at Root.

i dont know about the other camps i wasnt there.

i do know my friend DJ JELO did push this notion wherever he went, as well as my buddy Mo'Funk.

both are the hardest working motherfuckers i know, and are always there for the build and the clean up if they can be.

stigmas, cliches and stereotypes exist for a reason, however, burners, ESPECIALLY BURNERS, should know never to judge the book or the cover until they've read both.

again, i found some sparkly ponies at the end who were helping with the dome, cleaning up, doing alot of work for MANY HOURS at root one night....they werent from our corral either....they just volunteered because they loved us and the music...

as corny as it sounds, it was quite heartening.

was operation DanzKleen™ a success?

eh, i don't think so...i saw alot of sloppy dancers, alot of nitrous containers (ALOT) and many many people, drawn by the siren song of EDM, here at BM for their first time NOT get it....

that was disheartening.

i hate the mentality of "somebody else will do it for me, fuck it" that TENDS to go along with these kids, but at all of the shows, venues, etc that they've been to, that HAS been the case....nobody yells at them for littering...

if i do that at Ultra or Day-glo or any other concert, I get yelled at...by management.

we must defend our city, and also try to spread the word as a pre-emptive action.

i think that the ones on Most High, need to heed this message.....Teach The Children Well, you have their Attention, use that Power for good.



you know who you are.

[salope]

It doesn't seem to be too big of a leap from the R in PLUR to LNT etc.

BUT... change must come from within, pressure must be applied from within the peer group. I think you need to start deputizing select sparkle ponies who get it. MOOP needs to be seen as uncool, LNT needs to be a value spread from within, rather than handed down from "the olds" (not to detract from your efforts).

It's not going to happen overnight either.

[Simon of the Playa]

hopefully people like BassNectar (who is now selling out in defaultia wherever he goes) will also spread LNT as he travels and entertains.

he is one on high.


he also "started" on the playa, and gained esplanade "cred" thru the years, and it is just now being realized how much this "cred" means in defaultia as the two begin to cross-over.

this needs to happen and the peer groups need to start using positive pressure to spread the simple notion of LNT.

both together will work.

as far as the time frame, well, it looks like EDM is the New Rock & Roll, so we have time...

i would prefer it sooner than later, of course.

[Hondovious]

At LIB after Bassnectar went off as the last performer for the night, they played a 'Pick It Up' song and he encouraged the whole crowd to look around and pick up trash as they left, and a good portion of us did. With full lights on, everyone walked around in circles, some in ovals, and picked up what was left.

hopefully people like BassNectar (who is now selling out in defaultia wherever he goes) will also spread LNT as he travels and entertains.

he is one on high.


he also "started" on the playa, and gained esplanade "cred" thru the years, and it is just now being realized how much this "cred" means in defaultia as the two begin to cross-over.

this needs to happen and the peer groups need to start using positive pressure to spread the simple notion of LNT.

both together will work.

as far as the time frame, well, it looks like EDM is the New Rock & Roll, so we have time...

i would prefer it sooner than later, of course.

[Bob]

Yeah, give the ravefucks more real estate; dispersing more trash and crime over a proportionally larger area could produce some useful afterburn statistics.

Or you could play real music in smaller camps and slap anyone silly if they drop a glowstick.

Why do we have to hear you at all >100 ft away? Why?

[ZaphodBurner]

At LIB after Bassnectar went off as the last performer for the night, they played a 'Pick It Up' song and he encouraged the whole crowd to look around and pick up trash as they left, and a good portion of us did. With full lights on, everyone walked around in circles, some in ovals, and picked up what was left.

That Is Fucking Awesome!

[ZaphodBurner]

What about this?

What if camps with bad MOOP records were required to bring and maintain a dumpster as a condition of future placement? If they don't want to haul a trash bin out there, they'll educate their ravers.

I came home with three trash bags full of shit that wasn't ours and that included everything from food dishes to somebody's pink boy shorts. FFS... this is what I get for being an "LNT" camp, trying to sort burnable, recyclable, food waste... It all turned out to be water bottles, cigarette butts and beer cans.

[Bob]

At LIB after Bassnectar went off as the last performer for the night, they played a 'Pick It Up' song and he encouraged the whole crowd to look around and pick up trash as they left, and a good portion of us did. With full lights on, everyone walked around in circles, some in ovals, and picked up what was left.

That Is Fucking Awesome!

Um, not. Why was there anything on the ground in the first place?

Re: burner dumpsters, they encourage really bad behavior, we pretty much established that in '98.

[Bounce530]

It's coming-
http://eplaya.burningman.org/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=56026

[junglesmacks]

At LIB after Bassnectar went off as the last performer for the night, they played a 'Pick It Up' song and he encouraged the whole crowd to look around and pick up trash as they left, and a good portion of us did. With full lights on, everyone walked around in circles, some in ovals, and picked up what was left.

That Is Fucking Awesome!

Um, not. Why was there anything on the ground in the first place?

Response points = -11,000


That is fucking awesome.

[Nipple]

For reference, I took this from the LIB site. (I didn't know what LIB stood for or was. Like a Theme Camp, or Concert... I guess what I'm confessing here is that I have gray hair... places.)

•LIB is STRONGLY encouraging pre-cycled trash and pack-it-in/pack-it-out practices for the weekend. Less trash really does equal more fun! Leave it Better, Leave it Beautiful!

So there was an easily ignored social convention at LIB vs. Birmingham's sometimes ignored but with social chastising strict social demand.

That is pretty cool that he took the time to motivate them and that they took the time to listen under those circumstances.

[forty_eight]

There was definitely less debris left over at LIB than almost any regular 'concert' I've been to ... especially one with camping.

There were still vapid degenerates that clearly thought someone was going to do their dirty work - there's no solving for that 100%, though.

[dj_john69]

Simon, was great seeing ya Saturday night after the burn !!! I really liked RS's setup this year. Almost didnt recognize RS when i 1st swung by.

Much love man.

[Sandstorm]

You might want to re-read all of Travis' posts... He has already stated that his sound camp pulled their plugs and took down their systems Sunday morning after the man burn. Their camp wasn't operational on Monday (or Sunday night during Temple burn)... Seems it was someone else causing this problem. (Gotta admit, I'm almost kind of surprised any of the sound camps were still functioning Monday morning...)

Thanks for the heads up on Travis' third post. I had in fact seen it before I made my last post in this thread but at that time my brain was still decompressing and thus my conscious mind did not make the connection between Travis' words about when their camp struck their sound system and the origin of the music that I heard and felt on Monday morning as I rode out to deep playa.

For the record, I clearly wasn't being a straight up dick in my reply to Travis. All I know is that when I rode across the playa on Monday morning there was a big sound camp with a mammoth sound system that was playing music and that camp was in the immediate vicinity of Osiris. If the guilty party/camp wasn't Osiris then Tim could probably help the community figure out who was responsible for the music that was being pumped in that neighborhood that morning. And again, I loved hearing that music as I rode out to deep playa. It was just that once I got to deep playa I couldn't even enjoy it because I felt as though I was a test subject in a US military test of a sound weapon.

I don't know what else to say. I haven't been here long, but... the EDC weekender crowd can kill this event, I think... I mean, I haven't been around that long... but if you've seen the ground at one of those massive rave-concert-tardo pits, you'll see where this is going.

This year I was camped with Supper Club in Black Rock French Quarter. On Friday night/Saturday morning at about 2AM some self-entitled fucktard came into Whiskey and Whores and repeatedly pounded his cup on the counter as the bartender, who was a fellow BRFQ member, and I were in the middle of a conversation. It's people like that douchebag who roll into BRC on Thursday or Friday and do their best to wipe away the sense of community, mutual respect and appreciation that prevails in BRC from the time before the gate opens through the time the Weekend Warriors show up. That's why a large percentage of the decent sized theme camps stop doing most or all aspects of their public programming/events on Thursday.

I'm not being an alarmist when I say that BM is facing a real threat in the form of the Weekend Warriors. If their numbers keep growing then the city and the playa will be that much more of a mess come Sunday morning. That said, I was fucking amazed by the lack of moop on the heart of the playa when I rode out to deep playa on Monday morning. Yes, there are people who ignore the 10 principles but it is amazing how many attendees of BM live by the 10 principles.

As long as this event exists there will be a battle between the enlightened and the clueless members of BRC and it is here that that battle will repeatedly be written about at length.

[lucky.bastard]

simon, i had a blast shooting the shit and pouring Vodka when you came into Apok's Kantina... also, i dug the feel at RS., kinda rough around the edges ( just the way i like it ).... thank you.

[junglesmacks]

Fuck yo' RS!

[Simon of the Playa]

lemme just clarify...

i love Root Society, but they are the biggest and loudest AND HENCE THE fACE of EDM and LArge Sound at BM...

it's not ALL their fault, but as Leaders, they need to go the extra mile and show everyone how it is done.

in the past, and in particular 2009-2010 we ran like a well oiled swiss clock.

this year we had 75 newbs, and slightly different management structure, and it showed. Im done bitching, and am already thinking about next year.

we did a good job, but not a Great one....maybe my standards are too high...maybe im a LNT priss and stickler for certain rules...whatever...

i do not regret my 7 years with root society, far from it.

I loved it.

However, i think it is time we scale back the Large sound, if we are to achieve balance at the event.

just my opinion.

[MacGlenver]

However, i think it is time we scale back the Large sound, if we are to achieve balance at the event.

Maybe RS can hand these out next year and everyone will be happy!