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Re: The Bar 2014 Edition

Post by FIGJAM » Sun Mar 23, 2014 12:29 pm

ygmir wrote:
FIGJAM wrote:Did a search for "Compound lug wrench" and came up with several for about $50.

From1:17 to 1:32 ratios and claims that a 12 yr old can remove any lug nut with these.

More compact that Ygs as they brace against the rim or the next lug instead of the ground. 8)
yeah I"m sure there are improved models.......this was military. .
That was aimed at Elliot.

Somehow I don't picture you owning anything that weighs less than 50 pounds! :lol:
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Re: The Bar 2014 Edition

Post by ygmir » Sun Mar 23, 2014 1:17 pm

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ygmir wrote:
FIGJAM wrote:Did a search for "Compound lug wrench" and came up with several for about $50.

From1:17 to 1:32 ratios and claims that a 12 yr old can remove any lug nut with these.

More compact that Ygs as they brace against the rim or the next lug instead of the ground. 8)
yeah I"m sure there are improved models.......this was military. .
That was aimed at Elliot.

Somehow I don't picture you owning anything that weighs less than 50 pounds! :lol:
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Re: The Bar 2014 Edition

Post by Patsh » Sun Mar 23, 2014 4:58 pm

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Re: The Bar 2014 Edition

Post by VultureChow » Mon Mar 24, 2014 6:42 am

Good Monday bar hoppers!! :coffee: :coffee: :coffee:

So I think I might have accidentally speared my finger with a length of 16ga galvanized wire. I'm still not sure though. I was articulating my cougar skeleton and was trying to feed the wire through some finger bones, slipped and then wound up bleeding from two small wounds on either side of my index finger. No blood on the wire itself, but I can't fathom another way for the two wounds to have happened at the same time.

Now I'm paranoid about infection. It's red this morning, but I've been poking and squeezing it. So I threw a bandaid around it to keep myself from worrying it. I'd hate to lose my trigger finger.
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Re: The Bar 2014 Edition

Post by Aurelia » Mon Mar 24, 2014 7:37 am

could there possibly be a bit of metal left in the wound ?

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Post by VultureChow » Mon Mar 24, 2014 7:54 am

Nope, unless some of the coating flaked off; the wire is thick and strong. I Suppose some cougar bone dust could have gotten in, though. I generally heal well and without infection so I'm not panicking yet, it's just freaky to think that a wire went through my finger and I barely noticed. Plus it would have gone close to the bone.
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Re: The Bar 2014 Edition

Post by unjonharley » Mon Mar 24, 2014 7:59 am

Its a sign,your getting old.. Soak that finger (for a long time) in salt water..

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Re: The Bar 2014 Edition

Post by ygmir » Mon Mar 24, 2014 8:04 am

*wanders in, makes CCC*
Hey VC!! welcome to "working with your hands". I always feel if I'm not bleeding, on fire, bruised or abraded, I've not done anything.
I use 7% iodine, the stuff you get at the feed store for horses and such......super strong, burns like hell, but, seems to prevent infection dang well!
dip the whole finger in, it'll turn brown from the iodine, so be prepared. and don't get the freshly dipped digit near your eyes!! burns like heck just from the vapors in your eyes. It'll dry though.
Barring that, I use lacquer thinner..........

This, is not medical advice, check with others, don't do it if you don't feel comfortable, etc, etc.

I'm off to the Hof to for the day.
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Re: The Bar 2014 Edition

Post by VultureChow » Mon Mar 24, 2014 8:09 am

Seriously. Especially since I can apparently get a "mom-crush" now.

I thought the drilling would be the hazardous operation, but feeding a stiff wire through a curved finger bone is surprisingly difficult. On the other hand feeding it though soft and yielding finger flesh is a little too easy.
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Re: The Bar 2014 Edition

Post by trilobyte » Mon Mar 24, 2014 8:16 am

So what you're saying is you're part cougar now :mrgreen: Maybe at some point the cougar could have become exposed to radiation or something, if comic books have anything to say about it you should be on the lookout for super powers. Try keeping track of how high or far you can jump, or how well you can see at night over the next few days.

I was going to say try leaving it alone for a bit and see if it's still red or if it gets inflamed. If it's just impossible to leave it alone (fingers are useful, ocd, etc) you may want to hit a local pharmacy at lunchtime and grab some hydrogen peroxide, iodine, or neosporin (pick one, not all three). Then pull off the bandaid, give it a good wash and scrub (that removes any scabbing so it exposes the puncture), apply your choice of the above, and then wrap it back up. Admittedly I'm not a doctor, and have never played one on tv (though I probably could, Hugh Laurie was wrong most of the time and was still considered the smartest guy on the show and a leader in his field hehe). I also wouldn't personally worry about it unless it started getting decidedly worse.

My weekend of lounging and loafing is over and done with, I've got loads of things to do around the house and nerdy projects to work on. Plus trying to wrap my head around AutoCAD is proving to be a massive challenge, it's very slow going.

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Re: The Bar 2014 Edition

Post by ^Rhino! » Mon Mar 24, 2014 8:35 am

Vulture Chow,

Painless Rhino to the rescue. Ooops. I see Trilo (bless his soul) has already beaten me to the punch. Hydrogen peroxide is the ticket. Do it multiple times daily, morning and evening. Cover with neosporin and bandaid. Repeat as necessary.

Digits have a remarkable way of healing, so don't worry about it. If you haven't lost a digit by cutting it off, it'll heal. For pain, ibuprofen works well for for joints and bones. Save the aspirin to prevent stroke, and the tylenol for the headache.

If you're planning on using the trigger, ease up on the pull necessary to fire. Crazy man that I am, I like a good 5-pound or greater pull on a .30 -ought so that I KNOW that the slug will fire in the direction I intend to shoot it in. Stick with a .32 or a 7mm for mow, and work your way back up to the stiffer pull triggers.
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Re: The Bar 2014 Edition

Post by theCryptofishist » Mon Mar 24, 2014 11:37 am

I'm going to say that you should be careful with the bandages. You want this to heal from the inside out, not the outside in--which could lead to absesses. Irrigation, and doing your best might be the ticket.

If you don't want to go to a doctor (or can't get an appointment) then maybe you have one of those urgent care clinics.

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Re: The Bar 2014 Edition

Post by Aurelia » Mon Mar 24, 2014 1:07 pm

okay, not neosporin ..too weak

Yggy is right
but stop poking and pushing it...

Fishy is right also

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Re: The Bar 2014 Edition

Post by VultureChow » Tue Mar 25, 2014 6:14 am

So kitty has paws but no claws yet.

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You can see the wires that gave me so much trouble.
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Re: The Bar 2014 Edition

Post by MyDearFriend » Tue Mar 25, 2014 6:32 am

VC that looks awesome!!! I can't wait to see. 8) As regards the finger, soap and water is your friend there so as long as it's not oozing I would not keep a bandage on it at all. Wash that finger thoroughly and frequently. This is an evidence-based recommendation; nothing has proven better for this type of wound than soap & water, ever. There is finger-sized tubular bandage you can get at most big pharmacies, if you want to protect it; discard & replace every time you wash, which should be, pretty frequently! Also: update your tetanus shot if it has been more than 5 years. Yes I know they are supposed to be good for 10 years but, this is the type of wound that tetanus really loves. :?

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Re: The Bar 2014 Edition

Post by VultureChow » Tue Mar 25, 2014 6:43 am

Sorry. :coffee: :coffee: :coffee: :coffee: :coffee: for all.

Thanks. I was paranoid because of the nature of the wound. Puncture wounds I always understood to be more dangerous in terms of infection. As Fishy said, heal from inside out. So I'm trying not to poke and squeeze it. Not swollen, no oozing and no spreading redness, so I think I'll live. If it shows signs of infection, I'll head to the doctor, but so far, so good.
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Post by AntiM » Tue Mar 25, 2014 6:50 am

:coffee: :coffee: :coffee:

Wow, VC, terrific bones!

I had a cat bite on my hand put me in the hospital for three days. No mistaking if it is infected or not.

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Post by ^Rhino! » Tue Mar 25, 2014 7:30 am

Good morning.

This morning's coffee in the thermos on my desk: Jamaican Blue Mountain.
:coffee: :coffee: :coffee: :coffee: :coffee: :coffee: :coffee: :coffee: :coffee: It'll be gone before noon.

Looking at pictures of the Washington state landslide this a.m. It's a reactivated failure surface, one that has slid before.

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We get these occasionally along the highways here, and it's always the same story. Excess pore water pressure in a cohesive soil causes the soil to 'liquefy' and slide when the soil loses its cohesion, and the weight of water and soil exceeds the resisting forces.

Things like this are why a geologist should always be consulted before looking at building on a particular site. My heart goes out to the families who have lost loved ones, and my prayers are with the emergency services crews who face a near-insurmountable task.
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Re: The Bar 2014 Edition

Post by ygmir » Tue Mar 25, 2014 8:29 am

*wanders in, makes CCC*

yay for your finger being ok, VC!! they are handy for so many things.

Yeah Rhino. I know that area fairly well, and travel some of the nearby valleys near Mt. Ranier on a regular basis. I've always noted, the area as having old slides, that have probably been stable for a century or more.......but you can totally see how it's going to slide again. Lots of the area there is very hard rock, steep slopes, with ash based soils and forest holding it all together. I've pointed out to my daughter on our drives, that you'd not want to build "there" because you can see it slid once, and will slide again. I see the same thing in a lot of the hills in the Bay Area, building on old slide/talus, that you can see stared higher on the hill than it is now.

people need to have some basic knowledge, when choosing where to build/live. whether flood plain, slide area, or longer term volcanic/earthquake, or even fire.
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Post by VultureChow » Tue Mar 25, 2014 9:22 am

Reminds me of the now infamous Italian boulder house. Build house between mountain and giant boulder that rolled from said mountain. In their defense, the house was probably built before the advent of modern geology.

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Post by unjonharley » Tue Mar 25, 2014 9:27 am

Any of you drive along Silver lake from Cedarville.. Look at the size of the boulders that are across the road from the mountain.. Tighten my pucker every time I use the rout to BM..

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Post by ^Rhino! » Tue Mar 25, 2014 9:40 am

Realizing that the government can't protect you from everything that can go wrong is the first step towards self-reliant awareness.

Folks ask me why I live in Columbia as opposed to Jefferson City, when I work in Jefferson City. Jefferson City, the state capital, has several strikes against it for me. First off, it's a political town. People actually have been judged as to their political beliefs and affiliations by the variety of roses they maintain in their garden. Lots of rumormongering and backstabbing as people work up the ladder of political careers. The second reason is that Jefferson City's major intersection south of the Missouri River, the junction of US Highways 50,54, and 63 is in a flood zone. It flooded during the 'Great Flood' of 1993 and people were stuck on one side of the city or the other, unless they wanted to try to negotiate traffic on High Street.

Columbia is better. We have live music venues, a symphony, college football that's worth a look, and much better pizza and barbecue. I live in a quiet luxury apartment development on the north side of town, adjacent to an 8-mile walking trail that follows Bear Creek. We have damn good Thai food cooked by native Thais. Downtown, we actually have Albanian cuisine! The burgers are heavenly.

Now, back to the landslides: I've been investigating them for nigh on 20 years, determining causes and potential remediation measures. The big hurdle in remediation is COST. A simple highway landslide can cost upwards of a million dollars to fix. Still, you're fighting the force of gravity. This landslide in Washington state I'd estimate you couldn't approach for under a hundred million to move the million cubic yards of dirt involved. Even then, where would you put it? Dewatering the entire slide area would still cost tens of millions of dollars.

I don''t worry much about earthquakes, even though the New Madrid fault zone is located in southeast Missouri. California has nearly twice the 'g' we do, the ground motion effect attributed to shear waves. The 'g' in columbia is less than 0.1. Even in New Madrid, it's 0.45. California in the San Francisco area is about 0.7. Japan was REALLY asking for trouble, building a nucllear reactor at Fukushima Daiichi. The g there is about a 2.0. And as the record showed there, if the earthquake didn't get you, the tsunami sure could.
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Post by VultureChow » Tue Mar 25, 2014 9:43 am

There's a gorge and cave trail in the White Mountains that basically every camp in New England uses as a field trip. It is essentially giant glacial slabs of rock that someone strung a boardwalk through and one of the most terrifying things that I was ever forced to do as a kid. It hits at least one fear for everyone. Heights, drowning, enclosed spaces. Even now thinking of the time a 16 year old camp counselor herded me, sobbing, through the "lemon squeezer" brings a chill.

Seriously. This is the lemon squeezer:
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Post by theCryptofishist » Tue Mar 25, 2014 9:47 am

Well, next time you're a kid, Vulturechow, be in a wheelchair. No way to force you then...
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Post by unjonharley » Tue Mar 25, 2014 9:59 am

Portland OR is built on over 100 slide areas.. It slides, people say oh my! and rebuild on the same spot.. Only, when they rebuild the hill on that spot is gone.. So they build on stilts.. Some even believe that 16 foot pillions will hold nature back..

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Post by ^Rhino! » Tue Mar 25, 2014 10:37 am

unjonharley wrote:Portland OR is built on over 100 slide areas.. It slides, people say oh my! and rebuild on the same spot.. Only, when they rebuild the hill on that spot is gone.. So they build on stilts.. Some even believe that 16 foot pillions will hold nature back..
I've seen a lot of things used for landslide remediation, from plastic pin piles to launched soil nails, to retaining walls of soldier piles to huge arrangements of sheet piles. What are we protecting? And how much are we willing to spend? Those two questions are the first ones that I ask beyond the not-so-obvious questions:

When we fix the slide this way, what is the likelihood of it happening again? Have we fixed the underlying problem that caused it in the first place?

If you answer those questions, THEN you see the real amount of money involved.
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Re: The Bar 2014 Edition

Post by lucky420 » Tue Mar 25, 2014 10:55 am

Yeah? Well we have Slide Mountain, and it has. the most recent was about 18 years ago...
Oh my god, it's HUGE!

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Re: The Bar 2014 Edition

Post by VultureChow » Tue Mar 25, 2014 11:02 am

Field trip tonight to the "Tilted Kilt" which is looking for space in one of our centers in Buffalo. It looks like a Hooter's knockoff or (to use a term I just learned and have fallen in love with) a "Breastaurant."

I'm leaning towards a "no" vote, but it would be improper not to go and see one first. :twisted:
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Re: The Bar 2014 Edition

Post by Elliot » Tue Mar 25, 2014 11:14 am

As a truck driver about 30 years ago, I once had lunch in a hidden-away cafe at the docks of Los Angeles. The customers were all longshoremen and truckers. The waitresses all wore only the skimpiest of underwear.
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Re: The Bar 2014 Edition

Post by FIGJAM » Tue Mar 25, 2014 11:14 am

They have one in Vegas.

Kind of a Hooters with a pub vibe and English food.

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