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Post by safetythird » Wed Sep 14, 2005 12:02 pm

I've stopped using zip ties for cabling and moved to velcro straps. Lemme tell you what a big difference it's made. Oops, forgot THAT cable? No problem, just fwwwch .. add cable and re-close.


Used them before for a cammo net on the side of an easy up structure. Worked well at the lake but untested in high winds.

If you decide to try it get the roll and cut strips to length. Most precut velcro cable ties are too small to do things like hold that extension cord to the 2" center post running down the center of your structure.

Speaking of extension cords, right before leaving I went to Home Despot and bought a 25' extension cord that had outlets every 8'. Heavy duty wiring and leds in the outlets to let you know when juice was flowing. I think it was around $35. Worked great running down the center of my carport.

A word about the ratchet tie downs in high winds. They make the most delightful buzzing sound when the wind kicks up. Sounded like a huge playa dragonfly on Sun and Mon. An audible dust storm warning system. Then I put the rope lights on the tie downs and the playafly was gone. I also learned that you should tension them down evenly. I cranked down the windward side before the other side and the whole thing was pulled out of square. I ended up making four passes around the structure cranking down a little on each pass.

Another camp in our village used 4 of those "order the connectors and buy the pipe locally" carports in a square orientation.

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Ok more square than my ascii drawing. They wrapped the whole perimeter with shade cloth with a couple entrances. They erected a large pole in the big open area in the middle and draped shade cloth down to the carports. Lots of shady room. They also used the ol pound rebar next to each leg and duct tape the hell out of them. Pretty damn cool and roomy setup and no one was hurt when one of the unsecured tops got loose and decided to visit our neighbors Monday. I guess its a good idea to temporarily anchor your tops (roofs) to a piece of rebar when the wind kicks up and you are over there assembling another roof section.

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Post by misfit » Fri Sep 16, 2005 4:04 pm

imagine a playa filed with nothing but costco and store bought structures. alot of the thought and imagination that used to go into bm seems to have gotten lost in the costco checkout line. sure its not easy to come up with an idea, make it reality and haul it to the playa. but when i see the smiles as people pass by my massive pink piggy, its all worth the bacon...
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Post by AntiM » Fri Sep 16, 2005 4:39 pm

The costco structures are just bones to build on ...

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Re: So how did your shade structure do?

Post by theCryptofishist » Fri Sep 16, 2005 4:45 pm

DallasPlaya wrote:That reminds me of another question: why do some people insist on building their own shade structures when you can get one for realatively cheap?
With all due respect, are you kidding? Whatever else BM is it's a chance to do what the big boys do, to challenge ourselves and the pre-fab aspects of our mass culture. 150 years ago everyone might have had the oppotunity to build some sort of house (okay, I'm pressing it, not a lot of women, probably) now it's hobby stuff in the garage after our 40 hours of work and commute and manditory "quality time" with the spouse and sprouts. You probably learn more about yourself and the world and your hardware store by building your own than by pre-fabbing. Yeah, if I shade structure next year, it'll be bought or someone else's plan, but "Why Cook Gourmet Meals Instead of Eating MREs or Some Other Easy Feeding Option?" or "Why Sew Yourself a Fur Outfit Instead of Going Off the Rack?"
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Post by 7 » Fri Sep 16, 2005 4:50 pm

I hosted a camp of 25 this year, and created a large canopy from scratch using aluminet, rigging & poles - it held up great, but was very $$.

I also brought a hand-made 24' geodesic dome, which will stand up to anything. camo netting under a parachute and it was perfect. So, the 2 elements I built from the ground up were great, but a LOT of work and $.

The smaller quick-ups didn't fare so well, I would bag those in the future for "garage" type structures. Walls are good, but wind doesn't like them unless they are placed correctly.

In 6 years I've wrecked 3 popups. No more. I'm not sold on garages yet, mostly because they are bland and unimaginative.
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Post by EB » Fri Sep 16, 2005 4:57 pm

safetythird wrote: Speaking of extension cords, right before leaving I went to Home Despot and bought a 25' extension cord that had outlets every 8'. Heavy duty wiring and leds in the outlets to let you know when juice was flowing. I think it was around $35. Worked great running down the center of my carport.
I could've totally used that! Is it wrong to have a near physical reaction to the description of the "perfect" extension cord?

I LOVE my costco carport. It's kind of like the old school VW buses -- not much to look at but easy to work on and infinitely accessorisable (yeah, that's a word...)

This year I combined the CCCP (costcocarport!, not the USSR icehockey squad) with an EZ up and made them into an "L." I used one wall of the CCCP to cover part of the EZ up.

The EZ up portion was perfect for the tent, all of our clothes (there were two of us) and generally became the non-public space while the CCCP had all of the kitchen stuff in the rear and the party stuff (radio, etc.) in the front with the picnic table. It was no Monkey Lounge but clean up was a snap.

But the caller earlier was right, they are kind of drab in an Orange County Tract House Development kind of way. Maybe we should have a CCCP beautification thread... Someone, please, get on that...

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Post by DVD » Fri Sep 16, 2005 6:58 pm

Ok, I have to admit obsession with structure building right up front.

This year we had 3 domes. One the standard 12 x17, 3 freq., steel conduit Bucky- covered with white(ish) canvas. Put cargo netting up on the last frequency and created a sort of uber hammock that holds 4 comfortably (it was *the* place to be when it got icky outside.. Asskickingly super awesome. It is a heavy option both in weight and work- but we had the perfect team atmosphere this year and it was up first thing Sunday.

The two others are my new favorite thing. One was 7x10 and covered with a parachute. It was rebared in to the playa and the strings from the chute were tied to the rebar. The other was 4x7 and was the ladybug body on our 'art car'.

They are made of flexed PVC and PVC connectors. This sitewas the inspiration. I couldn't find the fiberglass tube he used for the connectors so instead I made sleeves from 3/4" thin walled PVC. These things took all the wind Sunday through Monday with no complaints. The best part- $40 for the big one. $30 for the small.

Next year I am making our playa house out of a wood frame, six walled hut. I am lifting the design from one of those Coleman Hex Huts. I think I have decided that the center piece will be a short but large metal tube with six slots. The six arms will slide in to those slots. The walls and roof will be made of canvas and have windows.

I have some questions about making some dome coverings though- who has some expertise in this area?

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Post by --Ever-- » Sat Sep 17, 2005 9:59 am

We had a sucessful dome set up this year. It was arranged before I arrived but here's how it went.

First day it was set up with a hexagonal base as the design went. As they were putting up the last stakes a gust game and tore it all up. They took a while to redesign it and created a series of triangular minibases that as a whole made up the entire base. Imagine a circle as a footprint with a triangle at 1, 3, 6, and 9. They were each self-supporting as they were pushed in various directions, and when all connected at the tops, they served as very sturdy bases. On top of this, they used a parachute but connected it in a way that allowed wind to pass through instead of around or into, thus turning it into a sail of death windcatcher. They used other wide "streamers" to fill in the gaps, a kicking soundsystem facing inwards around the dome, and old couches for relaxing. All in all it was an awesome chill out area.
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Re: So how did your shade structure do?

Post by HughMungus » Sat Sep 17, 2005 1:01 pm

theCryptofishist wrote:
DallasPlaya wrote:That reminds me of another question: why do some people insist on building their own shade structures when you can get one for realatively cheap?
With all due respect, are you kidding? Whatever else BM is it's a chance to do what the big boys do, to challenge ourselves and the pre-fab aspects of our mass culture. 150 years ago everyone might have had the oppotunity to build some sort of house (okay, I'm pressing it, not a lot of women, probably) now it's hobby stuff in the garage after our 40 hours of work and commute and manditory "quality time" with the spouse and sprouts. You probably learn more about yourself and the world and your hardware store by building your own than by pre-fabbing. Yeah, if I shade structure next year, it'll be bought or someone else's plan, but "Why Cook Gourmet Meals Instead of Eating MREs or Some Other Easy Feeding Option?" or "Why Sew Yourself a Fur Outfit Instead of Going Off the Rack?"
I guess I'd just rather focus on other aspects of the event.
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Post by unjonharley » Sat Sep 17, 2005 1:45 pm

My structure bit the dust this year. It's fifth year. I managed to have enough repair stuff to rebuild. Next year I'm single camping. So am building a cabanna for my van. Using what I have learned about wind block, placement direction and cooling. Plus what others have shared on this board. I should come up with a nice shelter. Velcro should work well on the corners. The cabanna will be made of framed panels. A tarp under and up over the van for a wind break. I plan to hual it on a custom roof rack. Th rack will become part of the whole thing.
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Post by HappyCJ » Sat Sep 17, 2005 7:10 pm

unjonharley wrote:My structure bit the dust this year. It's fifth year. I managed to have enough repair stuff to rebuild. Next year I'm single camping.
We got stuck in clubland out at 2:00. Techno 24x7.

If that happens next year I am gonna set my tent up WAY out in the boonies and go sleep out there. Hang with the camp during the day, and head to my tent in the quiet boonies around dawn! ;-)

Our main shade structure (30'x30'x18' with a 1932 cargo parachute over the top) died this year due to bent pipes. So we are looking at all kinds of options for next year. Gotta have enough room for the bar, stilt bar, club, and photo booth, plus a nice front porch to sit at and watch the world go by.

I'd like to see stacked geodesic domes (four in a wide square with a BIG one on top as the center "room"), but the support structure and pure quantity of materials is daunting...

I like where this Shade Structure post is going... lots of good ideas all around!

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Post by mars » Sat Sep 17, 2005 7:12 pm

We had an awesome structure this year--I couldn't have been happier...there were 4 parts to it:

1. Old sheets sewn together-- friend started this 5 years ago and every year we make it a little bigger.

2. Held up by PVC arcs, made from bending long thin PVC poles, with the usual rebar.

3. An old sail from a sailboat tied to RV's and held up by line when the wind wasn't blowing it into a big dome.

4. A costco carport for the "public" section of the camp (with blackllight-painted burlap walls that looked awesome in the night with the blacklights on).

The cool thing is, after several years of experimentation as a camp, we finally got all the details worked out and the combo of our different shade structures worked out perfectly this year.

If I knew how to insert a photo here, I would show you WTH I'm talking about.

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Post by unjonharley » Sat Sep 17, 2005 7:24 pm

I dont think it was so much how good the strcture was this year. That damn wind hit hard in some spots at different times. One sound stage that looked real good got smashed. It was in the middle of other like structures. I was way out 6:00. After rebuiling the winds came up. But not as bad.
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Post by DVD » Sun Sep 18, 2005 9:39 am

mars wrote:We had an awesome structure this year--I couldn't have been happier...there were 4 parts to it:

3. An old sail from a sailboat tied to RV's and held up by line when the wind wasn't blowing it into a big dome.
I have been looking for one of these for years. Where did you find it?
mars wrote:If I knew how to insert a photo here, I would show you WTH I'm talking about.
Keep trying or post it on the web somewhere. Would love to see it.

I've been thinking about the common area being a tall center pole guyed off on three or four lines with a parachute or sail or that agricultural nylon weave as the cover. Problem is finding any of that stuff cheap in the size I'd like.

For the center pole I'd really like to have one of those lighting rig/antenna things... again, trouble with the finding it cheap. Been thinking about welding a multisection, each piece being able to fit in a minivan.

Would anyone be interested in a structure mailing list or Yahoo group or something?

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Post by HappyCJ » Sun Sep 18, 2005 9:44 am

[quote="DVD"]For the center pole I'd really like to have one of those lighting rig/antenna things... [/quote]

Then you could have a hole in the top of your shade structure and build a platform up there. People could climb up and get a view from above! Like the Crow's Nest on a sailing ship!

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Post by DVD » Sun Sep 18, 2005 10:00 am

HappyCJ wrote:Then you could have a hole in the top of your shade structure and build a platform up there. People could climb up and get a view from above! Like the Crow's Nest on a sailing ship!
Those freaks with the grass had that- their upper platform was covered in grass. But my idea isn't that complex. Just a center pole.

SO I took it upon myself to set up the group anyway through Google Groups. It's just like a mailing list.

Homepage: http://groups.google.com/group/BMShelter
Group email: [email protected]
Description: A place to share resources and ideas about portable and durable shelters for the desert

Go join. I did.

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Post by HughMungus » Sun Sep 18, 2005 11:10 am

HappyCJ wrote:
unjonharley wrote:My structure bit the dust this year. It's fifth year. I managed to have enough repair stuff to rebuild. Next year I'm single camping.
We got stuck in clubland out at 2:00. Techno 24x7.
You don't have to be out in the boonies. We usually camp centered (5, 5:30, 6-ish) and out on D or further (F this year) and never had much problem with noise.
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Post by unjonharley » Sun Sep 18, 2005 12:15 pm

Inflatable buildings
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Just watched a crappy movie. Landspeed. It was filmed at Black Rock. The only reasson I watchd it was the bildings. They were inflatabe with silver material.
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Post by DVD » Sun Sep 18, 2005 12:27 pm

unjonharley wrote:Inflatable buildings
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Just watched a crappy movie. Landspeed. It was filmed at Black Rock. The only reasson I watchd it was the bildings. They were inflatabe with silver material.
Image Node had an inflateable dome this year.

Here is some other stuff:
http://www.creatableinflatables.com/inf ... _tents.htm
http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000013047178/

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Re: So how did your shade structure do?

Post by theCryptofishist » Mon Sep 19, 2005 8:47 am

DallasPlaya wrote:
theCryptofishist wrote:
DallasPlaya wrote:That reminds me of another question: why do some people insist on building their own shade structures when you can get one for realatively cheap?
With all due respect, are you kidding? Whatever else BM is it's a chance to do what the big boys do, to challenge ourselves and the pre-fab aspects of our mass culture. 150 years ago everyone might have had the oppotunity to build some sort of house (okay, I'm pressing it, not a lot of women, probably) now it's hobby stuff in the garage after our 40 hours of work and commute and manditory "quality time" with the spouse and sprouts. You probably learn more about yourself and the world and your hardware store by building your own than by pre-fabbing. Yeah, if I shade structure next year, it'll be bought or someone else's plan, but "Why Cook Gourmet Meals Instead of Eating MREs or Some Other Easy Feeding Option?" or "Why Sew Yourself a Fur Outfit Instead of Going Off the Rack?"
I guess I'd just rather focus on other aspects of the event.
Don't get me wrong--me too. HOwever, I think that one of the wonders of the damn thing is that each of us gets to choose where they're putting their energy. There are times when an easy hopefully cheap pre fab mass market solution is the best possible one and other times when you want to perfect the wheel a little. I was just getting at what I believe to be the answer.
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Post by robotland » Mon Sep 19, 2005 8:59 am

[quote="HappyCJI'd like to see stacked geodesic domes (four in a wide square with a BIG one on top as the center "room"), but the support structure and pure quantity of materials is daunting...

- CJHappy[/quote]

NOW yer talkin'! If I get around to organizing Fullerton next year, (a community of ONLY domes) then there's a place for you. I've brought a triple-stacked dome structure the last couple of years, and dream of a very similar thing- Maybe FIVE small domes around a central, bigger dome, to take advantage of the "pentagonal symmetry" of a 2V. Then little courtyards and catwalks, connecting however many other domes we can gather.
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Re: So how did your shade structure do?

Post by HughMungus » Mon Sep 19, 2005 10:58 am

theCryptofishist wrote:Don't get me wrong--me too. HOwever, I think that one of the wonders of the damn thing is that each of us gets to choose where they're putting their energy. There are times when an easy hopefully cheap pre fab mass market solution is the best possible one and other times when you want to perfect the wheel a little. I was just getting at what I believe to be the answer.
So...we're both right? Yay! Everybody wins!
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Post by DVD » Mon Sep 19, 2005 5:57 pm

robotland wrote:NOW yer talkin'! If I get around to organizing Fullerton next year, (a community of ONLY domes)
Join my group.... join join join...

(I've moved it to Yahoo because their Groups organization allows for file uploads and calendars and stuff.

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Post by safetythird » Tue Sep 20, 2005 10:06 am

EB wrote: I could've totally used that! Is it wrong to have a near physical reaction to the description of the "perfect" extension cord?
I don't think so, I had a similar reaction the first time I saw it on a home improvment show. Then again when I finally found one in real life. Something about big, beefy, practical stuff satisfies my inner caveman.
EB wrote: But the caller earlier was right, they are kind of drab in an Orange County Tract House Development kind of way. Maybe we should have a CCCP beautification thread... Someone, please, get on that...
I'm with you on decorating the hell out of them. They are such a great blank canvas. Have a projector? Project an mage on the wall and trace it with fusion spray paint then go back and fill it in. I'm already planning on an oil lamp projector for the back wall, on the inside. In July, at a local burn, one of the participants projected some cool stuff on the outside wall to great effect. Billboard vinyls can be used too. Anyone who sees a billboard with big monkeys, please drop me a line. :)

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Post by safetythird » Tue Sep 20, 2005 10:10 am

mars wrote: 4. A costco carport for the "public" section of the camp (with blackllight-painted burlap walls that looked awesome in the night with the blacklights on).
Was this the walkthrough carport with uv friendly paintings all over the walls? I think on 7:00? If so, thanks for the inspiration. Nicely done.

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Post by robotland » Tue Sep 20, 2005 10:49 am

DVD wrote:
robotland wrote:NOW yer talkin'! If I get around to organizing Fullerton next year, (a community of ONLY domes)
Join my group.... join join join...

(I've moved it to Yahoo because their Groups organization allows for file uploads and calendars and stuff.

Bunring Man Shelters:
Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bmshelter
Group email address: [email protected]
My request has been submitted. (as KampKalamazoo, just to keep things confusing.)

I'm really anxious to try some new shelter experiments next year- including a PORTABLE shelter......
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Post by buzhidao » Tue Sep 20, 2005 12:34 pm

We did the dome of 25 2-inch PVCs, a lot of 200-lb strength rope, a parachute, and 5 pieces of rebar. It withstood monday's wind, no problem. We got the plans from a link off of the BM website. I saw several others like it this year. With practice and 3 people, the whole thing goes up in about an hour. We have also a plan to make preformed vertices that just slip into place, which would reduce the amount of time needed to assemble it. Then we have the idea to put the whole thing on wheels....... :)

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Post by shitmouse » Tue Sep 20, 2005 1:54 pm

our shade rocked this year.
90% coverage mesh. it was almost cold in there a few times. amazing for a black structure.

our design was a 2 pole design, each pole was anchored 4 ways to the playa. worked very well.
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Post by mars » Tue Sep 20, 2005 3:07 pm

mars wrote:

4. A costco carport for the "public" section of the camp (with blackllight-painted burlap walls that looked awesome in the night with the blacklights on).

Was this the walkthrough carport with uv friendly paintings all over the walls? I think on 7:00? If so, thanks for the inspiration. Nicely done.

S3
No, it was a sit-down coffeeshop on 9o'clock. I have a couple photos of it on the new yahoo, BM Shelter group. I'm listed there as Doublesixy (my backgammon name).

(And S3, you should know I think you have THE coolest name in e-playa town! Are you the guy who gave me a pin at the RedWhiteBlue Beach Burn?)
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Post by gyre » Thu Sep 22, 2005 1:59 am

I got to talk to Buckminster Fuller about custom domes. He intended them for mass production because of the complexity. It made him crazy that people were building them one at a time.

But he would have loved burning man and its experimentation.
I'm sure he smiles down on the playa.
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