Politics, Everyday, All day... morning, noon and night....II

Simon of the Playa · Post by **Simon of the Playa** » Wed Jun 03, 2009 7:39 am

i never liked him and hillary, i worked for jerry Brown...

however, with that said, after he left office, and we had 8 years of UNHERALDED prosperity and peace and a BUDGET SURPLUS after the rapacious reagan years, i have to admit, i'll take ELVIS sticking it up my ass over Lee Atwater (i'm GLAD he died of cancer, quite frankly) and Karl Rove any fucking day.

you have to make choices, ya know?

keep this in mind too, i worked for gen. Al Haig in 88', so dont pigeonhole my politics, you'll never pin me down.

littleflower · Post by **littleflower** » Wed Jun 03, 2009 7:43 am

cold blooded killers? they are on the other side ....

bush and gang were trying to figure out how to deal with the cold blooded killers ... now obama gets to deal with them.

petulant, spoiled and dangerously willful brats with dangerous weapons are the problem he has to solve, and that did not change with the election. how obama deals with them, and his relative success remains to be seen.

and no, i am NOT predicting that he will screw up! only that these problems are bigger than you silly liberals with your rose-colored glasses care to see. perhaps obama hasn't closed gitmo because, now that he is in the hotseat, he understands the problem.... maybe he doesn't prosecute because democrats in congress were well aware of what the bushies were doing, and supported them .... duh ...

the truth is, as cowboyangel keeps reiterating: either both parties are in cahoots, and ALL of them crooked ... OR, as i see it, it's a dangerous world, and keeping this country - and our allies - safe and prosperous, a dirty and difficult task.

but i do agree with placebo that it will get worse before lessons are learned. we've lived in peace and prosperity for so long that we think it's the natural state of things ... that we can just be nice, and everyone will be happy ... posh. never has been, never will be.

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Wed Jun 03, 2009 7:46 am

not trying to pigeonhole or pin.......just understand...........
I've been all over the map, as well........
I guess that's why I dis-like both............. mostly dis-trust, for me.......

some are better at obfuscation than others.........some more closely scrutinized, some ignored......
but,
IMHO: all dishonest............greed and power driven...........

I'm not so sure I'd credit the dot.com bubble and transient prosperity to any set of policies, or politicians..........

Interesting, you'd be glad someone died of cancer........seems sort of harsh, but............

wow, "moonbeam" and al haig..........can't fault you for diversity of opinion or experience...........

Simon of the Playa · Post by **Simon of the Playa** » Wed Jun 03, 2009 7:48 am

cold blooded killers? they are on the other side ....

guess what honey, they're on both sides....

we do what we gotta do, but it's a matter of FOLLOWING THE GOD-DAMNED GENEVA CONVENTION SO OUR OWN BOYS DONT GET TREATED IN THE SAME MANNER.....FUCKING DUH!

Simon of the Playa · Post by **Simon of the Playa** » Wed Jun 03, 2009 7:50 am

Interesting, you'd be glad someone died of cancer...

it seemed quite appropos, and a re-assurance that there was indeed, a God.

Like when fabio got whacked by the goose while riding a rollercoaster in Ohio.

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Wed Jun 03, 2009 7:55 am

IMHO, the geneva convention has little influence on our "enemies", daniel pearl and others might agree.......not that I'm for egregious mistreatment and all.......but, war is a dirty, destructive thing, it's, IMHO, naive to think if we make rules, it will matter.........
maybe, if it was more horrible, not so "clean", people would avoid it more?

but, then again, I'm not much of a U.N. fan...........

littleflower · Post by **littleflower** » Wed Jun 03, 2009 8:06 am

Simon of the Playa wrote:
cold blooded killers? they are on the other side ....
guess what honey, they're on both sides....

we do what we gotta do, but it's a matter of FOLLOWING THE GOD-DAMNED GENEVA CONVENTION SO OUR OWN BOYS DONT GET TREATED IN THE SAME MANNER.....FUCKING DUH!

you really, truly believe that those guys in gitmo would use the geneva convention on our guys?

really?

they broke every rule of civilized warfare ... bombing marketplaces, mosques, flying airplanes into buildings.... knowing that people like you would blame our own .... and they were right.

and yes, both sides have killers. both political parties, too.

littleflower · Post by **littleflower** » Wed Jun 03, 2009 8:07 am

Simon of the Playa wrote:Like when fabio got whacked by the goose while riding a rollercoaster in Ohio.

that was awesome, wasn't it...?

Simon of the Playa · Post by **Simon of the Playa** » Wed Jun 03, 2009 8:11 am

and yes, both sides have killers. both political parties, too.

somebody has to do it.

now back to your regularly scheduled Postulation and Opining, i have to go staple stuff.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Wed Jun 03, 2009 8:51 pm

RICH!

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Talk about truly fucked in the head!

Post by **Elderberry** » Thu Jun 04, 2009 12:15 am

littleflower wrote:cold blooded killers? they are on the other side ....

Why is it so hard to admit that we are as guilty of cold blooded acts as the other side? Like it or not, we are as guilty as they are.

Now, let's acknowledge our mistakes, reaffirm our values and move on to actually be the greatest country in the world--not just in name and words only, but by practicing what we preach. If we don't, we are no better than the terrorists.

JK

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Thu Jun 04, 2009 6:56 am

jkisha wrote:
littleflower wrote:cold blooded killers? they are on the other side ....

Why is it so hard to admit that we are as guilty of cold blooded acts as the other side? Like it or not, we are as guilty as they are.

Now, let's acknowledge our mistakes, reaffirm our values and move on to actually be the greatest country in the world--not just in name and words only, but by practicing what we preach. If we don't, we are no better than the terrorists.

JK

I'd sure like to see the U.S. just be open, and honest, about "conflict".
I could see a simple policy:

1. We don't want to go to war.
2. We will go to great lengths to avoid it, but, will not be held hostage or for ransom.
3. If you choose, through action or aggression, (towards us or our friends), to force us into war, we will break your shit and kill you.

to me, that would be clean and clear, even the north koreans and middle eastern dictators could understand that.

lurker · Post by **lurker** » Thu Jun 04, 2009 10:51 am

1. We don't want to go to war.
2. We will go to great lengths to avoid it, but, will not be held hostage or for ransom.
3. If you choose, through action or aggression, (towards us or our friends), to force us into war, we will break your shit and kill you.

That IS our policy...or it was. Now it's like this--

1. We don't want to go to war.
2. We will go to great lengths to avoid it, including being held hostage or for ransom. or for political expediency or campaign contributions
3. If you choose, through action or aggression, (towards us or our friends), to force us into war, we will do our best to not bother you and our best to appease our detractors, up to and including letting our soldiers die because our response to your naked agression might have annoyed you.

And it's been that way since the sixties. Thanks, Hippies!

Post by **Elderberry** » Thu Jun 04, 2009 12:30 pm

ygmir wrote:
jkisha wrote:
littleflower wrote:cold blooded killers? they are on the other side ....

Why is it so hard to admit that we are as guilty of cold blooded acts as the other side? Like it or not, we are as guilty as they are.

Now, let's acknowledge our mistakes, reaffirm our values and move on to actually be the greatest country in the world--not just in name and words only, but by practicing what we preach. If we don't, we are no better than the terrorists.

JK
I'd sure like to see the U.S. just be open, and honest, about "conflict".
I could see a simple policy:

1. We don't want to go to war.
2. We will go to great lengths to avoid it, but, will not be held hostage or for ransom.
3. If you choose, through action or aggression, (towards us or our friends), to force us into war, we will break your shit and kill you.

to me, that would be clean and clear, even the north koreans and middle eastern dictators could understand that.

I have no problem with that.

JK

Post by **Elderberry** » Thu Jun 04, 2009 12:34 pm

lurker wrote:
1. We don't want to go to war.
2. We will go to great lengths to avoid it, but, will not be held hostage or for ransom.
3. If you choose, through action or aggression, (towards us or our friends), to force us into war, we will break your shit and kill you.
That IS our policy...or it was. Now it's like this--

1. We don't want to go to war.
2. We will go to great lengths to avoid it, including being held hostage or for ransom. or for political expediency or campaign contributions
3. If you choose, through action or aggression, (towards us or our friends), to force us into war, we will do our best to not bother you and our best to appease our detractors, up to and including letting our soldiers die because our response to your naked agression might have annoyed you.

And it's been that way since the sixties. Thanks, Hippies!

Well, that wasn't the policy of the last administration...they WANTED to go to war with Iraq and they did--for no good (truthful) reasons what-so-ever.

And I agree with you on point number 3. If we do go to war, no holds barred--except, no torture, just kill them quickly and painlessly.

JK

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Thu Jun 04, 2009 1:18 pm

jkisha wrote:
lurker wrote:
1. We don't want to go to war.
2. We will go to great lengths to avoid it, but, will not be held hostage or for ransom.
3. If you choose, through action or aggression, (towards us or our friends), to force us into war, we will break your shit and kill you.
That IS our policy...or it was. Now it's like this--

1. We don't want to go to war.
2. We will go to great lengths to avoid it, including being held hostage or for ransom. or for political expediency or campaign contributions
3. If you choose, through action or aggression, (towards us or our friends), to force us into war, we will do our best to not bother you and our best to appease our detractors, up to and including letting our soldiers die because our response to your naked agression might have annoyed you.

And it's been that way since the sixties. Thanks, Hippies!
Well, that wasn't the policy of the last administration...they WANTED to go to war with Iraq and they did--for no good (truthful) reasons what-so-ever.

And I agree with you on point number 3. If we do go to war, no holds barred--except, no torture, just kill them quickly and painlessly.

JK

I love when we agree.........*shaking JK's "other" hand*.............

Post by **Elderberry** » Thu Jun 04, 2009 2:15 pm

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Thu Jun 04, 2009 4:25 pm

Something for the dumb dumbs that voted for Bush.
This shows how much of a sack of shit Cheney is.
This is he from 1994.

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SUCKERS!

And this one is just icing on the cake.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Sat Jun 06, 2009 10:47 am

Nominee Declines Position Over Interrogation Programs

By GINGER THOMPSON
Published: June 5, 2009

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/06/us/po ... lobal-home

WASHINGTON â€” The Obama administrationâ€™s nominee to lead intelligence efforts at the Department of Homeland Security withdrew Friday after it became clear that lawmakers would raise questions about his role in the Bush administrationâ€™s interrogation programs.

Philip Mudd, who has 24 years of intelligence experience, said in a letter to the White House that he worried that his nomination could become a â€œdistractionâ€

Monkeypoo · Post by **Monkeypoo** » Sat Jun 13, 2009 4:09 pm

I love politics and music.

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YAY OBAMA!!!!!! A change will do us GOOD!!!

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Sun Jun 14, 2009 12:39 pm

"socialism which has never worked anywhere in the world. Perhaps this is why Putin is so interested in pointing this out to the U.S. He knows that if the U.S. loses itâ€™s superpower status, there will be no one with the strength to combat the evil that approaches the world in the form of radical Islam."
http://www.buygoldco.com/2009/06/green- ... tin-power/

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 6:47 pm

This vid is a bit different;

Box Burner · Post by **Box Burner** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:57 pm

Homeland security = Homeland Gestapo

Why do you suppose Obombya wanted someone skilled in interrogation to lead intelligence efforts at the Department of Homeland Security? Especially someone who may have been involved in torture?

dr.placebo · Post by **dr.placebo** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 2:28 pm

I don't agree with everything that Obama is doing. For one thing, he's a bit timid on a variety of issues (energy, conservation, torture investigation, don't-ask-don't-tell, and so forth). I especially think that he's let the financial "system" (i.e. "con game") off the hook far too lightly. In short, I want him to live up to his rhetoric.

However, the wingnuts are way off base about Obama. For example, Rush has blamed SC Gov. Sanford's recent self-immolation on Obama:

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200906250024

Now, Sanford started his affair well before Obama was elected, so it would make marginally more sense to blame Bush or Cheney, but anyone with a decent grip on reality would not blame anyone but Sanford.

Of course, Rush and his cohorts lack that kind of grip.

cowboyangel · Post by **cowboyangel** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 3:01 pm

Wha'st the thing with these Republican Governors anyway?
Christian soldiers all of em and pagans in the bedroom.

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 3:26 pm

what's wrong with Pagans in the bedroom?............

Apollonaris Zeus · Post by **Apollonaris Zeus** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 6:14 pm

ygmir wrote:what's wrong with Pagans in the bedroom?............

It's that they would let them out of the bedroom

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 7:49 pm

dr.placebo · Post by **dr.placebo** » Tue Jun 30, 2009 11:23 am

Two pieces of good news for the Blue Team today:

1. The MN Supremes just declared Franken the winner. Unanimously.

2. Sanford, that sleaze from SC, continues to score own goals. Now he admits he lied about the details. I don't care about his sex life, but going AWOL on his state, continually lying about it, and being a rank hypocrite seem to me to be more than adequate reason for him to leave. Soon.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Tue Jun 30, 2009 11:30 am

can't sit still wrote:This vid is a bit different;

Interesting!