New glow in the dark paint

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New glow in the dark paint

Post by mereth » Thu Dec 13, 2007 10:15 am

New Glow in the dark material using nuclear technology??

http://www.geekologie.com/2007/12/litro ... les_gl.php

Potentially worth it or sucks ass?
You decide.
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Post by skeetsh00ter » Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:05 pm

looks pretty amazing! I think i might have to paint everything in that stuff if i got my hands on some.

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Post by Toolmaker » Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:26 pm

Yay.. another way to get rid of depleted uranium!
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Post by ☆sand☆ » Thu Dec 13, 2007 10:19 pm

hmmm... interesting... any scientists here care to comment? this stuff would be so awesome in so many ways... as Spiderman knows, the hairs on the back of my neck are standing up over this... if this stuff is "safe" then watch out! something tells me it is too good to be true (and safe)...

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Post by Tiahaar » Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:01 pm

I want!!!

Its a straightforward process seems like, encapsulate a bit of nuclear emitter with a bit of flourescent stuff in glass microbeads and mix with paint...wala glowing paint!

Now when can we get some???
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Post by robotland » Fri Dec 14, 2007 6:06 am

Interesting.....their site claims that they found a lump of the material in a crater, next to a skeleton in a red and blue suit.
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Post by Ugly Dougly » Fri Dec 14, 2007 9:52 am

It's tritium
http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/20 ... _time.html

Your friend, Tritium:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tritium

Non-toxic? I don't see proof of that.

Glow for it.

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Post by wedeliver » Fri Dec 14, 2007 11:04 am

I just ordered a few tubes and a couple of spray cans of MKP Paint from MKP Company sold here..............


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http://www.misterart.com/store/view/001 ... -Paint.htm
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Post by wedeliver » Fri Dec 14, 2007 11:10 am

Ugly Dougly wrote:...Non-toxic? I don't see proof of that.

Glow for it.
The "proof" is in the pudding.

this might help..
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory: ... w_it_Works

Also, below is a brief explanation:

A company known as MPK claims that throwing some tritium inside a phosphor-coated microsphere will result in a substance that can glow continuously for over a dozen years without an iota of energy input. The technology is known as betavoltaics, using a radioactive gas as its power source. Interestingly enough, tritium radiation (beta particles) can be safely contained by the microspheres it lives inside so there is no need to purchase a radiation suit .......
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Post by mereth » Fri Dec 14, 2007 11:30 am

Ugly Dougly wrote:Your friend, Tritium:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tritium

Non-toxic? I don't see proof of that.
The wiki entry you linked to says that its only dangerous if eaten or inhaled and that the type of energy it gives off can't penetrate skin (am I reading that right?)...

Seems about as close to non-toxic as a nuclear substance can be...
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Post by phil » Fri Dec 14, 2007 12:06 pm

wedeliver wrote:I just ordered a few tubes and a couple of spray cans of MKP Paint from MKP Company
Not the same stuff as Mereth pointed to in the original post, by the way.

Litroenergy. It's made of self-luminous micro-particles that are cheap, non-toxic, and will keep a glow for over 12 years. They never need to be exposed to the sun or recharged in any way, they just glow like hell.
From http://www.geekologie.com/2007/12/litro ... les_gl.php

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Post by wedeliver » Fri Dec 14, 2007 12:18 pm

phil wrote:
wedeliver wrote:I just ordered a few tubes and a couple of spray cans of MPK Paint from MPK Company
Not the same stuff as Mereth pointed to in the original post, by the way.

Litroenergy. It's made of self-luminous micro-particles that are cheap, non-toxic, and will keep a glow for over 12 years. They never need to be exposed to the sun or recharged in any way, they just glow like hell.
From http://www.geekologie.com/2007/12/litro ... les_gl.php
So, MPK (I posted that incorrectly above) Company is a Glow in the Dark paint company and this "Litroenergy" is a different product offered by the same company. Different from the one I purchased, which must work on phosphorescent technology...

http://www.glopaint.com/ I called and left a message asking if their current products are Litroenery. I will post the reply.

Mike, I guess from Glowpaint (I should have asked if glowpaint is MPK Company) called me back and the litroenergy paint will not be available for 6 to 8 months. (still good for the Gerlach Regional on Labor Day) and the current paint is phosphorescent.

I thought of trying to make an advance order for a couple 100 gallons of the litroenergy paint....
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Post by phil » Fri Dec 14, 2007 12:55 pm

> I thought of trying to make an advance order for a couple
> 100 gallons of the litroenergy paint....

Yeah. :-> Since we have no genetically modified glowing cats, we could dip a few in Litroenergy.

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Post by dr.placebo » Fri Dec 14, 2007 2:13 pm

"Litroenergy" is micro-encapsulated tritium (a radioactive isotope of hydrogen) that causes a phosphor to emit light when excited by beta radiation from the tritium. Using tritium in this way is old hat, the new twist on this is to use micro-encapsulation to make very small light emitting beads, which can be mixed with paint. The radiation level is safe enough, allegedly, for external use.

The light intensity is likely to be quite low at any reasonable radiation level.

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Post by phil » Fri Dec 14, 2007 3:42 pm

> The light intensity is likely to be quite low at any reasonable
> radiation level.

I think that's true. I have one of those tritium glow sticks that were in the news years ago, and the glow invisible during the day. However, I think the playa is the perfect place for low-level glowing, as there are few enough artificial lights at night to make the glow obvious. My goal with the stuff would be to be visible at night, and I think this would work.

> the litroenergy paint will not be available for 6 to 8 months.

I figure that means a year to 18 month. :-\

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Post by mereth » Fri Dec 14, 2007 3:50 pm

phil wrote:> The light intensity is likely to be quite low at any reasonable
> radiation level.

I think that's true. I have one of those tritium glow sticks that were in the news years ago, and the glow invisible during the day. However, I think the playa is the perfect place for low-level glowing, as there are few enough artificial lights at night to make the glow obvious. My goal with the stuff would be to be visible at night, and I think this would work.

> the litroenergy paint will not be available for 6 to 8 months.

I figure that means a year to 18 month. :-\
Also, the neat thing here is that they're planning on making it in the same range of colors that El Wire comes in: so you could have paintings made from the various colors that wouldn't need a black-light to get a similar effect or whole huge art projects out in the middle of the playa that have a completely different appearance after the sun goes down. Could you imagine the Belgian waffle with each 2X4 painted a different color and what that would look like at night?


*pause for effect*


Initially, the goal in posting this was to see what neat ideas people could come up with that would use the stuff.

I'm not going to hold my breath for it to be available till the 2009 or 2010 burn, tho.
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Post by BAS » Sun Dec 16, 2007 11:03 am

Initially, the goal in posting this was to see what neat ideas people could come up with that would use the stuff.
Yeah, there are all kinds of things which can be done with different colors! I like the idea of a camp which looks one way during the day, and another at night. That would work really well for what I want to do!

I hope its price will be reasonable... :?
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Post by Toolmaker » Sun Dec 16, 2007 6:00 pm

So its safe.. but is it effective? I never was able to see my watch or compass without extra lighting in the woods at night. If anyone gets some of this stuff pls drop an update in the thread letting us know how good it works in pitch black darkness.
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Post by robotland » Mon Dec 17, 2007 5:37 am

mereth wrote: > the litroenergy paint will not be available for 6 to 8 months.

I figure that means a year to 18 month. :-\[/quote

....and another few years of screwing around with international regs regarding the shipping of "nuclear materials".


Could you imagine the Belgian waffle with each 2X4 painted a different color and what that would look like at night?
Yes- Just like the first waffle- Better when it's on fire. (Okay- I'm really just mad that they wouldn't let us climb on it.) What happens to the microencapsulated Tritium when exposed to intense heat, I wonder? The radiation spikes that've been missing from the cool Playa Mushroom Clouds these last two years?

I think that MPK could benefit from posting a "non-Litroenergy disclaimer" on their existing line of GITD paints, to avoid confusion.
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Post by oneeyeddick » Mon Dec 17, 2007 5:55 am

If I were to ingest some of this stuff, would that mean that
I wouldn't need to use a flashlight at the JOTS when I crap ?
That would be kinda handy.
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Post by BAS » Mon Dec 17, 2007 6:32 am

Couldn't they light the JOTS by burning off the methane? :P
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Post by bigbluedoggy » Fri Dec 21, 2007 6:16 pm

Yeah! the JOTS would be very bright.... for a very brief time!!!
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Post by ibdave » Wed Dec 26, 2007 8:57 pm

oneeyeddick wrote:If I were to ingest some of this stuff, would that mean that
I wouldn't need to use a flashlight at the JOTS when I crap ?
That would be kinda handy.
From the BLM stipulations ......

"Banks of toilets will be placed in the Art area and will be prominently identified at night."

That paint would fill that rule quite nice don't you think??? 8) 8) 8)
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Post by mereth » Thu Dec 27, 2007 9:34 am

Sure - the only problem would be that we'd have to paint them, and aren't these potties rented?

We could probably paint fabric and cover them with said fabric though...
Okay, so ten out of ten for style, but minus several million for good thinking, yeah?

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Post by mdmf007 » Thu Dec 27, 2007 10:07 am

Do you really want fabric covered poopers when people cant even shoot a dook through a 14 inch wide hole without getting it everywhere? or the hovering women that spray tinkle everywhere?

doesn't sound hygienic to me - of course the outside is considerably cleaner - but not much.

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Post by mereth » Thu Dec 27, 2007 10:41 am

I just meant fabric on the outside so people could see where they were. If you need a flashlight to find your penis you've got "bigger" problems.

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Post by mdmf007 » Thu Dec 27, 2007 10:47 am

I just wanted to see how long it would take for someone to point that out.

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