unjonharley wrote:Without the Aberhamic ravings.. Man would be 4-5000 years down the road of scientificly and intellectualy..
That's just bad history and a lack of understanding about the world.
Up until the last 100 years or so almost *all* scientific discovery was done by religious people (Charles Darwin; who ultimately called himself an agnostic, not an atheist; started his theory to explain the handiwork of god before having those very studies change his mind). Roman construction, Egyptian pyramids and the skills needed to make them, the uncounted brilliance of Chinese science for thousands of years (and almost unknown in the west), the mathematical & philosophic genius of the early Islamist period... all work done by people who believed in their god(s) deeply, all contributions to the development of modern science.
I'm not saying that Religious authorities didn't shut down studies they didn't like, but that's something all "Power" does- look at the atheist Soviet Union & their support of Lysenko's completely fraudulent theories for decades (even going so far as to outlaw work in Mendalian Inheritance, which is the accepted theory of how traits are passed down to offspring). Power only likes science that support Power, that is as true today (see: Oil Industry, Big Tobacco, Climate Science...) as it was under the Popes, the Caliphs, or the Pharaohs.
You would also be shocked to know that not all modern scientists
, and some studies say up to 2/3
of them believe in god
. Not the fundamentalist god posited a couple of pages back, but god none the less.
The assumption that one persons beliefs (atheistic or religious) are the beliefs that everyone should hold is utmost arrogance. Unless those beliefs cause a person to do harm to others, they are nobody elses business. I am opposed to extremist religion & extremist atheism for the same reasons- they all attempt to block out any form of thought but their own; they all mock others, condemn others, kill others for thinking differently; they all lead to intolerance & a closing of knowledge. Currently in our society the religious right is attempting to impose their beliefs on all of us, that is wrong & needs to be fought. I don't care what they do in church, I only care when they carry it into law. I would oppose atheists trying to codify their beliefs into law as well.
Honestly, almost every atheist I've heard sounds just as ignorant & intolerant as any religious bigot around. They're just too wrapped up in their own idea of superiority to know it. Dawkins' books on evolution hold a proud place in my library, his works on atheism sound like a whiny little brat shouting "I'm right, you're wrong, neener neener neener!!!"- they've been banished.
If you want to grab some actual understanding of religion in peoples lives you might want to read "Darwin's Cathedral
" by David Sloan Wilson (who's "Evolution for Everybody
" is one of the best books on evolution I've ever read. Hell, I re-read it almost every year)