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Getting On Board

Post by TeresaJones » Sun Apr 24, 2016 8:06 pm

Hi everyone,

I go by Teresa. My boyfriend and I are planning to attend Burning Man this summer as complete virgins. I have had some... reservations... but I am gradually getting more and more excited about it.

We're still figuring out logistics, so I don't really have any specific questions to ask... feel like we have more research to do before we're in the asking questions phase. But I did want to establish a presence on here (hello everyone! reading your threads so far has been extremely helpful!)

This is our plan so far:

(It's a bit tricky because we move around a lot for his work, hopping around different apartments; we're not sure what city we'll be in in three months, although probably in Texas? But yeah so building an elaborate structure ahead of time that we know we'll be able to take with us is not really happening. Also we never camp. Never. I don't think either one of us has so much as pitched a tent.)

Right now our biggest concern is shelter: Either buy an old van or possibly borrow a friend's truck with a camper on top.
Challenges: Will the van survive the trip? And will it leak oil all over the playa?
If we borrow the truck, will we return it in decent shape?
Also, we might still want to get a Costco Carport for shade, which means still having something to stake down... *imagining windblown disaster*

The good thing is that we're both pretty low maintenance, hard-working people. We just don't have any actual experience camping in the desert.

And I know it's not really a camping trip... Part of me would actually prefer a desert camping trip. :) But I know that he's going to be really into the culture and the art and the festival aspect and the terrible terrible techno music. I... I know that I am going to need some quiet time. But I am open to the life changing cultural experience as well. ...We find the places where our Venn diagrams overlap, and we allow each other freedom to explore the places where they don't. That's the idea.

...Sorry for all the rambling. This is how I introduce myself. :)

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Re: Getting On Board

Post by Elderberry » Sun Apr 24, 2016 8:08 pm

Hey there, welcome to eplaya!

I hate camping too.
It also sounds like you have different interests when it comes to music and who knows what else. I'm familiar with that too. My partner and I have a lot of things one likes and not the other and then some we share. If you listen to us talk about our burns after the event you might think we each went to a different venue entirely. There is something there for everybody and if you're not afraid to venture out on your own sometimes, and your partner is OK with doing that, you'll both have a great time.
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Re: Getting On Board

Post by TT120 » Sun Apr 24, 2016 8:55 pm

Hi! Welcome to the board. It absolutely IS a camping trip, in the desert, and it's pretty harsh out there. You might consider a couple weekend practice camping trips before the event just to get a feel for it so you have a better idea what you're getting into. Think of it as practicing before the big game.

A Van or truck with a camper shell will be too hot to sleep in pretty much as soon as the sun comes up so you should look into some kind of shade you can put over it. Alternatively, a simple tent inside a monkey hut will work well and is a Playa proven way to go with minimal expense.
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Re: Getting On Board

Post by BBadger » Mon Apr 25, 2016 1:52 am

Spend some good time and read what other people do for their trips. Neglecting to bring something like shade or bikes, while not as bad as not bringing enough water, can make your stay pretty miserable. This is an event that rewards good planning and preparedness.
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Re: Getting On Board

Post by graidawg » Mon Apr 25, 2016 4:17 am

It is worth mentioning that whatever you bring will get covered in dust. your friends car will have dust EVERYWHERE. from the day it gets to the playa to the day it dies whenever the ac is turned on you will get dust.
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Re: Getting On Board

Post by illy dilly » Mon Apr 25, 2016 10:05 am

Hey Teresa Jones! Welcome to the board!
TT120 wrote:You might consider a couple weekend practice camping trips before the event just to get a feel for it so you have a better idea what you're getting into. Think of it as practicing before the big game.
I agree with TT120. You definitely need to practice camping. Not because of traditional camping stuff like "how to start a fire", "how do deal with wild life", or "how to crap in the woods" but because of the things we take for granted on a regular day.
How are you going to clean your hands before cooking?
How are you going to clean your pots and pans? And how much grey water does that really create?
Keep raw meat out of the cooler where the drinks are, or seal the raw meat containers well.
What type of water containers works best for us?

As you do simple day to day things over the next couple months, stop and thing "how am I going to do this camping?"
Also, pretty much every answer to those questions can be easily found on eplaya.
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Re: Getting On Board

Post by TeresaJones » Mon Apr 25, 2016 2:36 pm

I think our basic strategy is not going to be "how will we do this on the playa" but "do we even really need this on the playa"? Like showers, hot food... We'll just bring durable food (prepackaged lentils, raw carrots, etc) and adult size wipes.

The tricky thing with a tent is that right now we don't even have a yard and don't know where we'll be living in three months. If we buy a used van we can possibly stash it at a friend's house... There are going to be logistical issues either way... I wonder how the international folks do it. Or New Yorkers for that matter.

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Re: Getting On Board

Post by Savannah » Mon Apr 25, 2016 3:14 pm

TeresaJones wrote:Hi everyone,

I go by Teresa. My boyfriend and I are planning to attend Burning Man this summer as complete virgins. I have had some... reservations... but I am gradually getting more and more excited about it.

We're still figuring out logistics, so I don't really have any specific questions to ask... feel like we have more research to do before we're in the asking questions phase. But I did want to establish a presence on here (hello everyone! reading your threads so far has been extremely helpful!)

This is our plan so far:

(It's a bit tricky because we move around a lot for his work, hopping around different apartments; we're not sure what city we'll be in in three months, although probably in Texas? But yeah so building an elaborate structure ahead of time that we know we'll be able to take with us is not really happening. Also we never camp. Never. I don't think either one of us has so much as pitched a tent.)

Right now our biggest concern is shelter: Either buy an old van or possibly borrow a friend's truck with a camper on top.
Challenges: Will the van survive the trip? And will it leak oil all over the playa?
If we borrow the truck, will we return it in decent shape?
Also, we might still want to get a Costco Carport for shade, which means still having something to stake down... *imagining windblown disaster*

The good thing is that we're both pretty low maintenance, hard-working people. We just don't have any actual experience camping in the desert.

And I know it's not really a camping trip... Part of me would actually prefer a desert camping trip. :) But I know that he's going to be really into the culture and the art and the festival aspect and the terrible terrible techno music. I... I know that I am going to need some quiet time. But I am open to the life changing cultural experience as well. ...We find the places where our Venn diagrams overlap, and we allow each other freedom to explore the places where they don't. That's the idea.

...Sorry for all the rambling. This is how I introduce myself. :)

Welcome! :)

Whatever vehicle you take will get dusty and take several hours to clean, and even then some dust (it's like baby powder) will probably continue to seep out and reappear from time to time, so don't borrow anything that is too cosmetically nice.

Whatever you buy or borrow, examine the underside for leaks before you leave, have it fixed and bring an emergency item to catch any drips. Leaving no trace is important to the survival of the habitat and the event. You can sleep in the back of a good cargo van and it will also fit some bikes on the inside on the way . . . it's a great size for 2 people, their water and gear. Unshaded, you can sleep in one til about 8am.

A van with a rack on the top would allow for tying shade cloth or a grommeted silver tarp; that's worth considering as your shade. (I use a combination of steel poles, rebar, shade cloth and a pickup truck for an anchor.)

If you bring one of the costo carports, stake it down the second you put it up. I have seen one of those go cartwheeling down the street at 30 or 40 miles per hour during a freak gust on an otherwise calm day. It made quite an impression on me! :shock:

Like you, I don't usually aim for hot meals, and I don't miss them. I like paper plates and compostable dishes. I do like spray bottles to supplement wipes though (stand on a towel), and have stayed at camps with showers or used multiple strategies.

Make sure your baby wipes are in the large refill size bags (surround in an outer, large ziploc for extra insurance) or are the $6 set of three smaller wipe bags. Boxes of wipes dry out in a few days and will kill your skin.

Oh, and if you don't want to hear techno 24 hours a day stay away from the "top" of the clock (2-3 o'clock, 9-10 o'clock) and opt for the 3 o clock side in general. The 9 o'clock side is more festive. Around 4, 5 and 6 on the clock seems pretty quiet @ night, especially on the outside.

If you're going to be far out, you really will need those bikes. Bring a soft seat cover. And a backpack. :)
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Re: Getting On Board

Post by illy dilly » Tue Apr 26, 2016 11:08 am

TeresaJones wrote:I think our basic strategy is not going to be "how will we do this on the playa" but "do we even really need this on the playa"? Like showers, hot food... We'll just bring durable food (prepackaged lentils, raw carrots, etc) and adult size wipes.
That is definitely a simple approach. Also, simple hot meals like noodles, rice, and some soups can be made with a tea kettle and simple "jet burner" type propane burner. It sounds kinda lame, but if you throw some beef jerky in a cup'o'noodle its pretty tasty and adds protein.
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TeresaJones wrote:The tricky thing with a tent is that right now we don't even have a yard and don't know where we'll be living in three months. If we buy a used van we can possibly stash it at a friend's house... There are going to be logistical issues either way... I wonder how the international folks do it. Or New Yorkers for that matter.
There are people around that rent box trucks or vans and sleep in them. If you rent a van from what ever city you're living in at the time you wont have to worry about storing, licensing, fixing, or any of that. And, it will likely be newer(ish) and wont break down on you half way there.
If its large enough, you could even put a real mattress in it.
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Re: Getting On Board

Post by TeresaJones » Sat Apr 30, 2016 7:23 pm

(Belatedly - I tried to reply earlier on my phone and had trouble logging in... finally got around to using a real laptop!)

Thank you all for the excellent advice! We're still going back and forth over our options, but we plan to have the overall outline nailed down within the next few weeks. Right now we're thinking our base of operations will be a family location out in Tennessee... which is a ways out, but it's stable, so we can start collecting at least some of our gear (bikes! hydration backpacks! boots!).

Right now it's still a toss-up between borrowing a truck (already beat up so the friend claims to not care about desert conditions; no rental fee but the thing guzzles gasoline and might break down in the middle of nowhere) and renting a van. The tent option is actually kind of growing on me... Especially the part about having a sealed sleeping chamber. But on the other hand, we're virgin burners, sleeping in a bed of alkaline dust sounds, um, like an experience.

Logistics, logistics, logistics.

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Re: Getting On Board

Post by BBadger » Sat Apr 30, 2016 9:09 pm

Don't worry, short of the cleanroom that Sparr is trying to engineer, you'll be sleeping in alkaline dust clouds regardless of what you do. What you really want to ensure is that you're sleeping in shaded alkaline dust clouds.

I would buy the supplies for a monkey hut (or whatever you choose as your shade structure, such as a carport), set it up in your back yard, and then go camping with a tent or two under it for a night. Then you'll have an idea about what sucks to sleep on, whether you have enough gear to cook stuff, whether the gear even works, etc.

You need to practice setting up your camp quickly and efficiently because it gets hot and awful really quickly if you arrive during the day.
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