The basic problem with modern BRC

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Re: The basic problem with modern BRC

Post by wraith » Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:48 am

Dirkadirka wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:04 am
wraith wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 3:06 am
If you can't see how viewing everything through the filter of a screen interferes with immediacy, or how little participation comes out of the people roaming to get the best selfies for Instagram, I can't make it happen for you.

If you also can't see how radical self-expression is changed when anything outside the norm can be on Facebook, tagged to your friends and family, or posted up as involuntary pornography from the event itself, I have to assume you are too young to remember a world before smartphones. Or just terribly naive. :mrgreen:

Getting cell service onto the playa has rendered the media policy impossible to enforce.

Sounds like you’re making a case against cameras in general. That is a different discussion. I was commenting on phones being used for their camera function being singled out amongst the amateur photographers of brc. Not everyone owns a digital camera in addition to the one included on their smartphone.
Cameras registered with the Org as press per the media policy? No problem. That One Asshole who feels the need to film literally everything on his tablet-sized smartphone so everyone behind him has to watch whatever's going on through it because he's holding it over his head, or the guy transparently just there to be a voyeur? Problem.

Phones compound the problem because they can publish from the playa.
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radically self reliant people from far away lands using “public transportation” should not be singled out for bullshit ridicule.
No ridicule for the people, I'm legitimately curious because a bunch of people expecting a bus that never comes and working with very limited available pack-in space is a disaster looking for a dust storm to set it off. I'm sure there's a bugout plan, but I know I wouldn't be willing to take that route in because I would hate to be that guy reliant on someone else to save my bacon if things get iffy and exodus stretches.

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Re: The basic problem with modern BRC

Post by Simon of the Playa » Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:03 am

i see your points about being radically reliant on a bus service into the playa.

i’ve taken a train from the east, and hitchhiked in from reno a couple of times.

i’ve hitched out too, but those were different times, with different logistics, and numbers.

if there is a monster storm, we will all be in it together, kids, and hence, no one gets out.

but i’ll make this note:

having taken the BE bus a couple of times, at first i was skeptical, but after seeing the burners haul all their shit including garbage BACK to the bus
and help load up in difficult situations after an exhausting week kinda warmed the cockles of my dusty heart.

most of the riders seemed to “get it”.

just my opinion, and that was changed by actually doing it one year because i had to.

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Re: The basic problem with modern BRC

Post by Eric » Mon Apr 15, 2019 7:53 pm

Sham wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 5:58 pm
So there is no confusion or ambiguity, the remote, off the grid location of the Black Rock Desert makes this area absolutely ideal for police to train on the use of their Stingray monitoring devices.
Note: Sham knows his phones. This is not hyperbole or a conspiracy theory. BRC is where LEO tests their toys (and collects the Idiot Tax)
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Re: The basic problem with modern BRC

Post by jcliff » Mon Apr 15, 2019 10:19 pm

Simon of the Playa wrote:
Fri Apr 12, 2019 7:10 am
i think what we need is a great equalizer.

it’s called dust.
Yes! This has been my thought for several years. We need the playa to cull the herd. Because the "haves" have access to dust-proof sanctuaries, we're gonna need a few days of hellacious brown-outs combined with rain. Total vehicle ground stop....no porto servicing, no RV servicing, no getting out of Black Rock City. We're gonna need at least 72 hours of the worst case scenario to reset our Burning Man clientele.

I host a Lamplighter Noobie/Vet Scavenger hunt every year and I frame it as a test of our noobies' ability to survive on playa if/when the shit hits the fan. If you can scavenge a 1980's Playgirl magazine from a camp, you MAY have what it takes to keep us alive when it gets real.

We also need more subversion. I will hold off from offering specifics on this, but camps that offer pre-packaged vacations should be holding onto their hats at all times. BRC monkey business is alive and well....let's get it to where it needs to go?

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Re: The basic problem with modern BRC

Post by Simon of the Playa » Tue Apr 16, 2019 4:24 am

DUST FUCKOS UNITE
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Re: The basic problem with modern BRC

Post by Token » Tue Apr 16, 2019 9:09 am

Riding Mowers are a fantastic base for an MV or disabled vehicle placard owners.

Make it happen!

Besides, Culture Jamming is at the heart of the ethos...

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Re: The basic problem with modern BRC

Post by Dr awkwarD » Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:14 pm

Here's an idea:

You know what's wrong with BRC? The location.

If we really want to bring BRC back to its roots, take it off playa.

I'm serious: move it somewhere new. Montana? South Dakota? Texas? There's plenty of open land in the country (and the world!), and moving it out of driving range of the San Francisco weekend warriors would force people to make some hard choices.

There seems to be consensus that "the dust storm of the century" is needed to add some hardship and challenge. Force the cream to rise to the top, and shake out the sparkleponies. Why wait? Add the challenge ourselves! Take it somewhere new!

When the event is no longer convenient for California Insta-hos and Tech-bros to throw a duffel bag into the trunk of their Tesla and plague our event, only the people who are committed will be there.

Having problems with SF tech-bros? Gerlach cops? The Nevada Burning Man Tax? Impact to the playa? This solves all of it.

Burning Man has been held in other places before. Maybe it's time for it to be in new places again...

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Re: The basic problem with modern BRC

Post by some seeing eye » Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:45 pm

Dr awkwarD wrote:
Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:14 pm
Here's an idea:

You know what's wrong with BRC? The location.

If we really want to bring BRC back to its roots, take it off playa.

I'm serious: move it somewhere new. Montana? South Dakota? Texas? There's plenty of open land in the country (and the world!), and moving it out of driving range of the San Francisco weekend warriors would force people to make some hard choices.

There seems to be consensus that "the dust storm of the century" is needed to add some hardship and challenge. Force the cream to rise to the top, and shake out the sparkleponies. Why wait? Add the challenge ourselves! Take it somewhere new!

When the event is no longer convenient for California Insta-hos and Tech-bros to throw a duffel bag into the trunk of their Tesla and plague our event, only the people who are committed will be there.

Having problems with SF tech-bros? Gerlach cops? The Nevada Burning Man Tax? Impact to the playa? This solves all of it.

Burning Man has been held in other places before. Maybe it's time for it to be in new places again...
Hahaha. Today's BM culture is formed around Nevada law, particularly around alcohol hours. Once you have to enforce alcohol hours, you are in a whole new realm of even more intensive law enforcement. There are places in Louisiana, casinos and Native American lands (unlikely because we tried to poison them) with different law enforcement regimes. The other circumstance of the playa is its fire resistance. The best option would be some kind of law-free Waterworld, or the small island government you could buy out like Fyre. Both projects were epic fails. Law is an invisible hand. It is loved when needed, and a PITA other times. It is an odd play-doh with roots in the American psyche most people don't realize.
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Re: The basic problem with modern BRC

Post by Token » Tue Apr 16, 2019 6:13 pm

BORG: The JOTS are trashed, the pumps are breaking, help us!

Burners: You bet, we will mobilize, educate, get it done.

BORG: OMG it’s so big! We need volunteers! Help us!

Burners: That’s us! Sign me up!

BORG: LEO is harshing our mellow, we need Law Enforcement Interraction forms filled. Help us!

Burners: On it! Who has a pen?

BORG: BLM wants to rape us on fees and stupid tax. Help us!

Burners: We are sending in our letters, SantaConning the meetings. We got your back.

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Etc.

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Burners: Can we please have a fair ticketing process?

BORG: We are doing our best (giggles). The server is overloaded (snort). We sell out bitches! Hold my beer.

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Re: The basic problem with modern BRC

Post by lucky420 » Tue Apr 16, 2019 6:23 pm

Token wrote:
Tue Apr 16, 2019 6:13 pm
BORG: The JOTS are trashed, the pumps are breaking, help us!

Burners: You bet, we will mobilize, educate, get it done.

BORG: OMG it’s so big! We need volunteers! Help us!

Burners: That’s us! Sign me up!

BORG: LEO is harshing our mellow, we need Law Enforcement Interraction forms filled. Help us!

Burners: On it! Who has a pen?

BORG: BLM wants to rape us on fees and stupid tax. Help us!

Burners: We are sending in our letters, SantaConning the meetings. We got your back.

.

Etc.

.

Burners: Can we please have a fair ticketing process?

BORG: We are doing our best (giggles). The server is overloaded (snort). We sell out bitches! Hold my beer.
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Re: The basic problem with modern BRC

Post by Bless » Wed Apr 17, 2019 1:09 pm

Token wrote:
Tue Apr 16, 2019 6:13 pm
BORG: The JOTS are trashed, the pumps are breaking, help us!

Burners: You bet, we will mobilize, educate, get it done.

BORG: OMG it’s so big! We need volunteers! Help us!

Burners: That’s us! Sign me up!

BORG: LEO is harshing our mellow, we need Law Enforcement Interraction forms filled. Help us!

Burners: On it! Who has a pen?

BORG: BLM wants to rape us on fees and stupid tax. Help us!

Burners: We are sending in our letters, SantaConning the meetings. We got your back.

.

Etc.

.

Burners: Can we please have a fair ticketing process?

BORG: We are doing our best (giggles). The server is overloaded (snort). We sell out bitches! Hold my beer.
As the saying goes: shit rolls down hill
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Re: The basic problem with modern BRC

Post by Eric » Wed Apr 17, 2019 2:19 pm

Dr awkwarD wrote:
Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:14 pm
If we really want to bring BRC back to its roots, take it off playa.
You do realize that would be taking it back to SF, right? SF is its roots. It was founded by people from SF, it was nurtured by people from SF, the formative years were freaks & what we now call techies from the SF Bay area. You're bagging a whole lot on SF & techies in your post, but without them this event simply wouldn't exist. Period. Fuck, one of the founders and most prominent faces of Burning Man to this day is a "techie", though you'd never guess from looking at or talking to them.

Also, it's been on-playa since 1990, the playa is where this thing we love swelled and took shape. The playa is its roots as well. No where on earth can claim to be the roots of BMan other than those two spots.

Now, you want to shatter the event, get rid of the Big Burn in Nevada & create a bunch of smaller Burns all over? I'm honestly not opposed to that, but bashing the city it was originally founded in & the people and culture it came out of serves no purpose other than to be, pardon my English, a twit.
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